What you you do now? Combination decision.

Right so my raf'ing the last few weeks on and off and have a nice combination of characters to 60, so based on the following accounts / characters;

Acc1 - Shamn 65 / Hunter 60 / Warlock 80
Acc2 - Priest 80 / Warrior 70
Acc3 - Paladin 60 / Shaman 60
Acc4 - Druid 60 / Shaman 60
Acc5 - Mage 60 / Shaman 30

I think i should level the following for my first 5 group to 80, ignoring the current 80's

Acc1-Shaman 65
Acc2-Shaman 60 -(Transfered from account 3)
Acc3-Paladin 60
Acc4-Druid 60
Acc5-Mage 60

With the Priest and Warlock already 80 it should give me some nice combinations for level 80 5 man groups.

Now the question is what would you do? as this is my first ever 5 boxing and looking to do 4 man heroics.

feel free to suggest charcater transfers between accounts if you have better suggestions.

I'm a huge fan of Pally tanks for PvE.
So the pally would be one of the toons I'd level in the team.

With the warlock and priest already at 80th, you can either have them (one or both) in your leveling team, to make quests very trivial and collections a bit easier since they won't need them, or neither in the team while leveling to 80th so you end up with more toons at 80th down the road.

I really like a Boomkin in a team, so would probably recommend...

Pally tank
Priest healer.
Boomkin, Elemental and Warlock as dps.

Everyone can rez except the warlock.
You have Kings + Fort + Mark + 4 totems + Heath stones.

Some heroics will be hard when you're first starting out and have no gear. When you have gear, heroics are a joke and any combination of classes will be able to farm them easily. Having every buff in the game has zero impact on either of those things.

So, the best answer is pick classes based on what you want to do AFTER you have them geared. Don't waste your time building a group around farming heroics that will then be impossible to manage effectively in a raid or PvP setting.

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Originally Posted by Fursphere

This is simply not true. Gear will enable you to kill things faster and make more mistakes (take more damage). You still need to know what you're doing with your toons. There is quite a bit of skill involved that seems to be taken for granted.

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I said any geared combination of classes can clear heroics. Heroics require a tank, healer and 3 DPS. The class combination makes absolutely NO difference. I've either solo'd or PUG'd every heroic with every conceivable combination of classes and I know from experience that gear matters far more than class. A geared tank and healer can duo half of the Northrend heroics.

Yes, there are some encounters (Shaman/TremorTotem for the Confessor in ToC5, for example) that are a bit easier with a particular class.. but I wouldn't go and reroll and level/gear up a Shaman if the only reason I needed it was to make a single encounter in a single heroic a little bit easier.

Build your group based on what you want to do with it AFTER you're leveled/geared and don't worry so much about heroics, which are a joke to farm.

The group you suggested would be absolutely impossible to manage in a raid setting. There is no way any single person can effectively manage a fire or arcane mage, a shadow priest, or any build of paladin at the same time. One or all of those characters will be doing sub-par DPS and wasting raid slots. It's hard enough convincing people to give multiboxers a shot. The first raid you join and pull <2k DPS every person in that raid will remember you and I guarantee you won't see another invite from any of those people.

Keep it simple.

Thanks for the comments all,

for it its only going to be about the Five man stuff, if i want to pvp i will drop to two of three charcaters multiboxing. I already dual the priest and warlock in battlegrounds with good level of success.

The 5 man team will be only for heroics. My end game fun with wow is not raiding... its 5 mans and PvP.

LOL just because a pug of odd class makeups can work does not mean it's easy, or multi-boxable, or easily multiboxable... There are a few handicaps that multiboxing brings that precludes the use of some classes to their fullest extent. On top of that, managing some classes while boxing is difficult.

I now run a fully mixed team, to maximize party buffs, and to make future gearing easier, but had I started out that way, it would have been a disaster. My current team makeup is in my signature, Prot paladin, holy priest, Destro lock, Arcane mage, Ele sham. I also ran a heroic last night with my pally tank and 4 PvP geared elemental shaman, and it was fun because it wasn't TOO easy lol.

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Originally Posted by Fursphere

Actually, no you didn't. Go back and read your own post. You added the word "easily". Thats why I quoted it. Go play a Warrior for awhile in a mixed class multibox group. (and don't use my macros - figure your own out)

So you're saying what my guild member does is impossible? I'll have to inform him if he doesn't read this post.

Hell, I manage Tank, Healer, and two different dps classes "ok" with practice.

You must be new here. I run a raiding guild full of multiboxers. We do shit that most people say is impossible to do multiboxing. See my signature and search around. Sure, we struggle with stuff solo players don't, but we adapt and overcome.

Don't tell me what we can't do. I've been hearing that since this forum came to be - and we've always figured out a way to do it.

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I have never had any trouble finishing any heroic with geared 80's, regardless of group composition. Any healer will do, any tank will do, any DPS will do. As long as the players are decent and the gear is good, WoTLK heroics ARE easy.

I honestly can't see it happening. It's difficult enough to deal with encounter mechanics, movement and still maintain raid level DPS. If you're doing that, AND running the tank and heals.. then I'm impressed. You should upload some videos. I'd love to see you in ToC25 with that setup.

you are missing the point. For single boxing, yes, any combo of tank healer and dps is viable for heroics. Boxing is different, as we all know. You have to pick your team to play to your strengths as a boxer, and lessen your weaknesses. I doubt there's anyone boxing a bear tank, rogue, hunter, DPS DK, with a holy pally healing... If so, i'm impressed.

I haven't seen what ToC looks like, but unless there's a crazy gimmick, i wouldnt discount it being boxable just yet. Once we get geared enough to attempt it, Hopefully someone will be able to fraps it.

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Originally Posted by daviddoran

you are missing the point. For single boxing, yes, any combo of tank healer and dps is viable for heroics. Boxing is different, as we all know. You have to pick your team to play to your strengths as a boxer, and lessen your weaknesses. I doubt there's anyone boxing a bear tank, rogue, hunter, DPS DK, with a holy pally healing... If so, i'm impressed.

I haven't seen what ToC looks like, but unless there's a crazy gimmick, i wouldnt discount it being boxable just yet. Once we get geared enough to attempt it, Hopefully someone will be able to fraps it.

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By boxed "raiding" I assumed we were talking about current level raiding. Ulduar, ONY25 and ToC.

I wasn't being sarcastic. If people are running MT/OT, heals and mixed DPS 5box groups in current raid content, then I am impressed, and I would like to see vids of it in action.

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Originally Posted by Fursphere

Heroics - that's your opinion. Many here still struggle. You should try reading some of the other threads here.

Raiding - See, now you're just being a jerk and challenging me.

Piss off wanker.

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Most of the reason why Heroics are easy now is because anyone can get conquest level gear, with a couple of triumph pieces mixed in, simply by farming easy heroics. Once you outgear a heroic to the point where you can DPS most bosses in 25seconds or less, I really don't think group composition is a big deal.

No..

You said you're running mixed 5man groups in raid level content, and I don't think I could manage that.. so I asked if you have videos so I can see how you do it.

Your'e very combative. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm trying to insult you.

I farm Ony10/25 and VoA10/25 weekly on my group. I don't think I could manage it tanking and running DPS. I stick to 4Ele+Boomkin and let other people worry about tanking/healing. If you can box Naxx, you can box Ony/VoA. Both are much simpler fights.

I've 5boxed ToC25, barely scraping through, still learning how to deal with the Icehowl's charge and movement during Anub.

Older content you can make mistakes. In fights like the Beasts/Twins or VoA's Koralon, you really have no margin of error. If you don't move/switch in literally 1-2 seconds, you die.

When I first started boxing on my server people wouldn't invite me to anything. I had to solo tank Ony/ToC a few times (and win WG for us a few times, nearly soloing the keep) to get to know a few people and then talk them into letting me bring my shamans next time. After a while, people actually send me whispers now asking if I'm locked to Ony/VoA yet, because they know I know the fights and it's a fast way to fill a solid group on a fairly low pop server. That's why I really recommend going with as simple a group composition as possible. You have very little margin of error and the less you have to think about the less chance you'll make mistakes.

It would be nice to have a guild that isn't biased against raid boxing.