Dual Boxing 2 Paladins

Hello. I am new to dual boxing, but have done the research and read the fine print, etc etc. Having said that, I created a tankadin and a healadin. Probably not the best case scenario, but I wanted to try it out and did not think I would have the complications as I am facing now. Perhaps it's just my setup? Here are a few things I am concerned with.

1) My tank (the lead of course) runs up to a mob, and starts wailing after pulling initial aggro. I press my "follow" key to make sure my healadin is near me and press the "assist" key but the healadin is too far away to take any action in melee combat; forcing me to press the "up arrow" in order to help attack the mob. Now again, I am new, so maybe I am just going about it the wrong way here. I thought I could have both toons run up to the mob(s) and hack away while the tank got low on health and my healadin would just heal. -or- Should I just keep the healadin where she is now and just use it strictly for heals and no melee combat? Basically here was my thought. I thought that if I could have two melee combatants attack the mob(s) it/they would die quicker. Again, I'm wondering if I am just going about it completely wrong. I'd like to ask for suggestions.

2) I have healbot. Am I going to have to ALT-TAB back and forth every time to heal my tank? I'm not sure of a way to just do that while looking at my tank screen. I use the software Keyclone, and I have separate windows open for the toons. I also use the addon in WoW that automatically accepts quests, group invites etc etc. I can not remember the exact name of it.

I think I have addressed my concerns and I'm sure that I will have others as my learning progresses. Currently the two toons are at level 20 and it's really challenging but has been fun. I look forward to the responses.

From the Wiki:

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Ranged vs. Melee

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The vast majority of multiboxers move their team by using macros based on "/follow". Since melee combat relies heavily on character position relative to the target, and following is imprecise, melee classes and specs are significantly more difficult to multibox than ranged classes/specs. The "lead" character (very often a prot pally in PvE teams) is the exception to this rule, since the lead's movement is typically controlled in the same way as a solo player's character.

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As for Healbot, not sure you can control it from another screen. You should just make a macro to heal the tank and key bind it to something on the healer that isn't keybound on the tank.

"The vast majority of multiboxers move their team by using macros based on "/follow". Since melee combat relies heavily on character position relative to the target, and following is imprecise, melee classes and specs are significantly more difficult to multibox than ranged classes/specs. The "lead" character (very often a prot pally in PvE teams) is the exception to this rule, since the lead's movement is typically controlled in the same way as a solo player's character."

So basically what this is saying is that I am just going to have to use my tankadin to do the slashing away, while having my healadin stand remotely close to me by using the "/follow" macro and heal me? I just want to make sure I understand correctly.

As for the healbot, I will see about binding a key to heal me. Might be a bit tricky maybe? I should've chosen to dual box two casters instead it seems. :rolleyes:

Well melee teams can be done as many people have leveled 5 DK's/Pallys/Rogues though I've never done it myself. It just involves getting the mob near the whole team instead of just the leader so it takes a little more work. You can either move the healer up to the tank or back the tank up to the healer, whichever is more comfortable for you.

Though if you're going to give the two melee a try, I'd ditch the healer and go prot/ret or ret/ret. Having a healer is helpful for dungeons but I think you'd get better results going more dps oriented. You can still heal yourself and have plenty of oh crap abilities without gearing and specing one holy.

As for the healing, I did all my healing on my 5 man group with macros. It's the best and maybe the only way to go in my opinion. If I remember correctly, something like:

/cast [target="tank name"] holy light

set up on player2.

I certainly appreciate the info. Although this negates what you suggested, I think I will try Prot/Holy at least for another 5 to 10 levels just to see what I can do. If it is in fact too much for me, I will definitely change to Prot/Ret. I have always loved Prot, so I'm going to at least keep my tank. I've never rolled a Ret Paladin, so doing Ret if I deem necessary will be very interesting. :D

Thanks again for your help, it is most appreciative! ;) I'll follow up with the results I end up with in the next 5 to 10 levels.

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Originally Posted by Aegeis

1) My tank (the lead of course) runs up to a mob, and starts wailing after pulling initial aggro. I press my "follow" key to make sure my healadin is near me and press the "assist" key but the healadin is too far away to take any action in melee combat; forcing me to press the "up arrow" in order to help attack the mob. Now again, I am new, so maybe I am just going about it the wrong way here. I thought I could have both toons run up to the mob(s) and hack away while the tank got low on health and my healadin would just heal. -or- Should I just keep the healadin where she is now and just use it strictly for heals and no melee combat? Basically here was my thought. I thought that if I could have two melee combatants attack the mob(s) it/they would die quicker. Again, I'm wondering if I am just going about it completely wrong. I'd like to ask for suggestions.

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I dual box two ret paladins and it is a lot of fun. The ret paladins have abilities that allow them to heal themselves while fighting. Two of us can take on a lot of normal mobs and aoe them down pretty quickly. I spam the macro that Ugh describes here. http://www.dual-boxing.com/showthread.php?t=23179

Try this:

On your healadin:

• go into the WoW interface options, go down to the mouse part and enable 'Click to move'.
• bind a key to 'Interact With Target'.

When you fight:

• Lead with the tankadin, start pounding on a mob.
• Press your assist key on your healadin.
• Press your 'Interact With Target' key on your healadin.

This will cause your healadin to run to the mob and start attacking, without you having to worry about direction facing or using arrow keys to move it.

I don't have any special macros for my fighting abilities; just a couple of macros for healing.

Oh, and I use Jamba. :D

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Originally Posted by Jafula

Try this:

On your healadin:

• go into the WoW interface options, go down to the mouse part and enable 'Click to move'.
• bind a key to 'Interact With Target'.

When you fight:

• Lead with the tankadin, start pounding on a mob.
• Press your assist key on your healadin.
• Press your 'Interact With Target' key on your healadin.

This will cause your healadin to run to the mob and start attacking, without you having to worry about direction facing or using arrow keys to move it.

I don't have any special macros for my fighting abilities; just a couple of macros for healing.

Oh, and I use Jamba. :D

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I implemented the suggestion you provided and it works great! Just what I was looking for! I still need to bind a key for FoL it seems. Another problem I ran into just now - on my tank I have the spell Consecration on number 4 on the UI. On my healadin, I have FoL. With the Keyclone working, my tank lays down Consecration, while the healer casts FoL on herself now. :eek: While I did not foresee this happening...I am faced with having to change my UI again it seems. :( I have them laid out differently because on the healer, I did not have the spell Consecration anywhere on my UI because if I was healing...I would never use it. I hope I did not make this too hard on myself. I've already spent time, gold and effort into getting the two decently geared and things set up. It seems the easiest so far will to just have two of the same just like Aradar suggested.

Suggestions? Help! :D

Update:

So far so good - I still need to make the necessary changes on my UI or set new keybinds or downright change the healadin to ret. I have gained so many levels today it's not funny. Gotta love the triple xp R.A.F. program! :D All I can say is "WTB run thru SM from levels 30-40" and after that it's a breeze still. I'm on Cairne Alliance side :cool:

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Originally Posted by Aegeis

I implemented the suggestion you provided and it works great! Just what I was looking for! I still need to bind a key for FoL it seems. Another problem I ran into just now - on my tank I have the spell Consecration on number 4 on the UI. On my healadin, I have FoL. With the Keyclone working, my tank lays down Consecration, while the healer casts FoL on herself now. :eek: While I did not foresee this happening...I am faced with having to change my UI again it seems. :( I have them laid out differently because on the healer, I did not have the spell Consecration anywhere on my UI because if I was healing...I would never use it. I hope I did not make this too hard on myself. I've already spent time, gold and effort into getting the two decently geared and things set up. It seems the easiest so far will to just have two of the same just like Aradar suggested.

Suggestions? Help! :D

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If you don't want the heal going off at the same time as the consecration, you need to move it to a different key binding. Either change the spot FoL is in to key binding 5 or move it over to the position that is currently 5. As for the healer healing itself, sounds like you either have self cast on with no macro or have your macro set incorrectly.

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Originally Posted by Aegeis

Update:

So far so good - I still need to make the necessary changes on my UI or set new keybinds or downright change the healadin to ret. I have gained so many levels today it's not funny. Gotta love the triple xp R.A.F. program! :D All I can say is "WTB run thru SM from levels 30-40" and after that it's a breeze still. I'm on Cairne Alliance side :cool:

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I only suggest prot/ret or ret/ret because you will burn through the mobs much faster. For most of this game a designated pocket healer just isn't that worthwhile. As stated before, both prot and ret are going to be able to heal themselves or one another sufficiently without being speced/geared for it. Instances are obviously another issue but for leveling by quest or having people run you through instances, your second pally could be contributing way more as ret or even having both prot. I'm guessing right now, your second pally is doing minimal damage and throwing an occasional heal. If leveling was healer intense it may be one thing, but fortunately it's not.

Having said all that, play the way that makes you happy or most comfortable.

Aradar,

you are correct. I need to change my UI and also it seems that having a prot/heal is a bit slow. The healer is tossing up occasional heals while doing minimal damage. I'll spec the healer into ret. It's something I have never experienced so it will be interesting. I've always leveled as prot - even though it was painfully slow, there is just something about tanks I absolutely love. Thanks again for the advice and help!

Something has happened - Jafula...when you gave me the tips to bind a key to 'interact with target' this no longer seems to work. :confused: :eek: I've done nothing new. At first it did work...and now it does not! I have also noticed that randomly, when I press the 'interact' button I have bound, my slave will run way ahead of me, charging at something? Either another mob, or just run ahead of me into the distance or something. Why? I have no clue. I'm about ready to give up on dual-boxing. :( Help please!

Second update: I have now noticed that even when I press buttons, my slave does nothing at all! When she used to at least cast a judgement on the mob. It's as if Keyclone quit working. I'm kind of upset now. What the heck?! When I press "F" to have the slave follow...she does. But when I press "1" to start attacking, and cast a judgement, nothing happens from the slave, nor does she interact the way she used to. I do not have the override option on either. It is off, so I know that's not the problem. Ugh...I'm pulling my hair out.

Third Update: I have got my slave to work again properly. I do not know how, but I somehow managed to unbind the key, "1" which caused my slave to not interact with my target. I am embarrassed but at least I got it figured out. Now all I just need to do is re-spec this toon and I'll be done. At least I think I will be....lol until then thanks all for your help and happy gaming! Note: I am still having trouble with my slave. Almost every mob I have encountered now, when I press the 'interact' key, she will run off in the distance, or run off to fight another mob. I'm not sure why or what's going on here? Ideas/suggestions? Rarely will she stay with me and attack the same mob as I am. This gives me a lot of concern as I am having to now 'babysit' this slave instead of enjoying watching two tanks wail on something.

Anyone? :confused: ideas/suggestions on why my slave is randomly running off into the distance or running off to attack a different mob when I press the 'interact' button? The slave should be fighting the target in which the main has targeted. :o

Best way to box mele in my opinion is to have /follow last in every ability macro or use Jamba strobing.
Run through the mob with your main, that way all are in range to hack and slash.

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Originally Posted by Aegeis

Anyone? :confused: ideas/suggestions on why my slave is randomly running off into the distance or running off to attack a different mob when I press the 'interact' button? The slave should be fighting the target in which the main has targeted. :o

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My slave does this sometimes. If your slave does not have a target selected, they can do unpredictable things. Make sure you are pressing your assist key first. You need to also give WoW some time to get the correct target (lag).

What I tend to do is press my assist key, use an ability on my main to create a pause, then press interact with target. There is enough of a delay between the assist command the interact command for WoW to make the slave get a target.

Also if my slave does run off, I just press my follow button to bring them back again.

FYI my keybindings are:

WASD - main move
E - follow
F - assist
G - interact
Q- mount

You should have a system where you can see what your slave has targeted as well; like X-Perl or Pitbull unit frames - using one of these, you can wait until you see that your slave has the correct target before pressing interact with target.

Hope that helps!

Great! Thanks for the follow up. I will implement everything and just jump right back into it! ;)