GameCommanderPro

Hey you boxers!

I'm coming back to Europe after a year in Oz, and planning to give multiboxing a whirl once i arrive in lag-free territory ;) I have been looking around the web and especially this site for a couple days now, trying to choose which program to use. I'll be running 5 accounts on one PC (windows, argh), and i kinda narrowed my options down a bit by now.

I'm not going with the newest thing (don't dare to name the guy cos i want this thread to be productive), simply because his reputation scares me off a bit.
That leaves KeyClone and GameCommanderPro as the two that look most user-friendly and easiest to set up.

The one thing i'm absolutely unable to find out so far is wether any of these has mouse support, fit for AoE on multiple mages (blizzard specifically). Can an AoE spell be launched on (roughly) the same area by all mages? No need to be the exact same location, but an 80ish % overlap is what i'm hoping for.

I know the GameCommanderPro thing hasnt been around as long as KeyClone, but if anyone has tried either (or even better, both), i would love to be able to compare a bit before i take the plunge. The 10$ difference is not going to be the end of the world, i'll be paying 5 WoW's after all ;)

In any case, thanks for these forums and all the brain-picking opportunity they already offered me, i've learned loads and i haven't even started yet! You'll be hearing from me!

Hi - Keyclone does have mouse replication for each screen, I found it the other day by accident and it works well - each mouse pointer goes to exactly the same spot on each screen so you could easily use blizzard.
I've never heard of gamecommanderpro so can't comment but have been a long time user of keyclone and can endorse it wholeheartedly - btw I'm in aus and the lag isn't that bad lol I get 250ms.

Personally, I've never heard of GameCommanderPro either. It's funny that your first post is asking about a comparison between and fairly famous multiboxing program, and one that's not so much. What about some of the others that are kind of popular? Have you ever thought about considering any of those?

I use Keyclone and like Simulacra said, you can do AOE with it.

thanks for the fast reply :))

as for the lag, mine is so dreadful because im on european servers AND using one of those horrible telstra usb modems at the moment :) i have been travelling so wired connection was out of the question...which means 700ms on average, with some days at 1500_2000, NOT the circumstances you wish to multibox in i guess :)

Thanks again!

I've been reading up on the others, but KeyClone seems to come out as the top notch one, according to the comments here, so that would be my running favourite.

As for GCP, on their site it looks like a neat program with a good interface for creating several castsequence macro's, and several back-up plans for when the *ahem* faecalia hit some ventilators. Seems like it allows you to get a standard rotation going for attacking elites, CC and healing, and fall-back macro's to switch healers. It looks pretty nice with a HUD display that tells you what's going on. It is fairly new however, and their forums only have posts by the author, which makes my spidy-sense tingle a bit tbh. Just hoping to get some feedback from a community that's been into this for a while. And well, Yahoo was around for years when Google suddenly came whooshing down; that didn't exactly make Yahoo bad overnight, Google was just better and easier to use.

Keep the comments coming tho, I'm pretty happy my mouse-question got answered in just 10 minutes :)

I am still looking at the website. My first impression is this is where ISBoxer is headed very soon. It is the natural progression to pair up an addon to the key multiplexing software to automate your macro writing and keybinds a little bit.

If this is a serious outfit we should invite them to the DB community. Who knows they may already be here in a non-business form.

This has some very interesting options. Too bad they don't offer a free trial. I would have given it a go on my 5-mage team but for now i'll stick to keyclone.

This is clearly just advertising a new tool - the website's been up since May, and of the ten Google hits, none of them lend any credibility to the product.

Not that anyone here objects to new tools of course. I do have vivid memories of the *cough* lukewarm *cough* reaction KC got when he first turned up as well, so it's nothing personal :)

If your question is genuine, then stick to Keyclone, at least for now - the other product has been around for all of 4 days so let other people be your guinea pigs! Not to scaremonger, but as is always the case when new closed-source software hits the scene it could be absolutely anything at this point.

If you're going to spend 100's of hours multiboxing, then IMO it's worth investing time into HotKeyNet. It's the most powerful multiboxing software due to its flexibility. If you make the initial investment to learn how the program works, then it will pay off in the end (plus, it's free!).

Never tested anything else than AHK and keyclone so I would suggest using keyclone, it's pretty much everything I need.

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I have a hard time buying product when you can't contact the vendor...

thank you for all the answers everyone! it's a delight seeing how active this community is.

first of all, i am NOT associated with GCP, i came across a link that was, in hindsight, obviously an ad from the makers. It looked promising, and that is why i came here. I have been in contact with keyclone by now, assuring him i am not trying to sell the product, and since then i have sent a mail to the makers (the first one i sent bounced as well, bad points!!, when i resent it, i didnt get an error). If i had realised how young GCP was, i wouldn't have bothered you all about it (yet), but i didn't, so im afraid the harm is done :(
I'll be able to start my multi-project in 2 weeks at the soonest, so i hope more info becomes available by then. In my mail, I suggested the authors make themselves known and give out some trials to the mods here. If they are genuine, i suppose they will; if they aren't...well, i know which one to chose i guess :)

7 genuine answers in less than a day, thanks again!

Shado

Multiboxers are smarter than your average doofus. Please don't try and insult our intelligence. Thanks

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im afraid the harm is done

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No harm done at all! Don't mind us old-timers scowling at every new person who mentions a tool we've never heard of - we're just a bunch of cynics ;)

It'll be interesting to see how the GameCommander thing shapes up.

Personally, I think people are making more of multiboxing than it needs to be. I was - and still am - perfectly happy with just replicating keystrokes!

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Originally Posted by 'Otlecs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=216055#post2 16055

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im afraid the harm is done

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No harm done at all! Don't mind us old-timers scowling at every new person who mentions a tool we've never heard of - we're just a bunch of cynics ;)

It'll be interesting to see how the GameCommander thing shapes up.

Personally, I think people are making more of multiboxing than it needs to be. I was - and still am - perfectly happy with just replicating keystrokes!

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And some guy at some point was happy with his slide rule... yet here we are using computers.

That's an interesting comparison. I'll save that argument for another day though :)

Multiboxing is -not- complicated. People just make it that way.

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Originally Posted by 'Otlecs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=216058#post2 16058

That's an interesting comparison. I'll save that argument for another day though :)

Multiboxing is -not- complicated. People just make it that way.

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Agreed that it's not complicated at all. It's a very simple concept that allows you to replicate your input to multiple clients.

The ability to replicate all relevant input is vital for maximum performance though. Keyboard is just part of that equation.

I currently use HotKeyNet for Mouse replication and Keyclone for the rest...I'll have to go back and try Keyclone for the mouse replication.

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Originally Posted by 'blast3r',index.php?page=Thread&postID=216053#post 216053

Multiboxers are smarter than your average doofus. Please don't try and insult our intelligence. Thanks

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thanks a lot for that :(

I understand though, and that is why this will be the last thing i post on this subject for a while. I had an answer from the author, and i urged him to make an account here himself, since i am seen as just a spam-troll. I WILL keep reading up on all the info here, since it's a great resource.

Thank you for all the genuine replies in the meantime, see you in 2-3 weeks when i get started myself.

Hi

I'm one of the guys behind the product. I've been a WOW player for about 4 years and a multiboxer for 2. I have visited this forum many times, but have never posted before as most of my questions had already been answered.

Thanks for your feedback. I realize the this is KeyClone's web site, and thats why, for fear of upsetting of the community, we didn't attempt to post here.

The post at the start of this thread is not by anyone we know (although I have just replied to his e-mail), we would never attempt to post "stealth" advertising. The e-mail link is now fixed (we had "support@" but not "info@").

About six months ago, I was showing my multi boxing software to someone who suggested that I make it available for public use. Everyone I've shown it to since has been "blown away". For that reason we put a team together to convert my personal system into something that others can easily use. We spent the last few weeks building a web site and support structure and declared it "live" last week. Our software is more about running a team, allowing you to play as a team leader - with your team obeying your commands. We also wanted to present a "one stop shop" approach so that all the setup could be done in one place. We feel this feature not only makes life easier but actually allows access to more capabilities, as you can concentrate on strategy rather than technology.

We are looking for people to try our new software. We do plan to release a limited number of copies of our software to people in exchange for reviews. We're looking for real assessments, not "sound bytes" for advertising.
I'd be grateful if a moderator could let me know whether we could get our software included in this forum at some point.

We are charging a one time fee for the software. We decided to do this for several reasons, including

• We wanted to deliver it with professional support and maintenance.
• We have plans to go even further.
• We want to avoid the situation where we become victims of our own success. Many free products die because, as they become popular, the become costly to support.

Thanks again,

Aarelan (Phil@GameCommanderPro.com)

Aarelan (Palladin), Barelan(Hunter), Carelan(warlock), Darelan(priest),Earelan(mage) - My "nearly" level 30 blood elf mixed team on Stormrage - current "mains"
Akow, Bkow, CKow, Dkow - My lvl 70 tauren druids on Stormrage (I haven't had time for WOTLK as I've been working on the software)
Atrefelonme - Lvl 70 Lock on chromaggus (my 1st toon)
Marchagus(night elf druid), Filsunder(night elf hunter) and later Cadfael(human shadow priest) - My first multibox team - all lvl 70 on chromaggus

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Originally Posted by 'liqiud',index.php?page=Thread&postID=216073#post2 16073

I currently use HotKeyNet for Mouse replication and Keyclone for the rest...I'll have to go back and try Keyclone for the mouse replication.

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Or just use HKN for the rest.

Welcome, and thank you for stepping up with your software!

Hopefully you can get in touch with Ellay and you two can work out the details of getting your software on the forums, it looks to be a good contender for software multiboxing solutions.

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Originally Posted by 'Aarelan',index.php?page=Thread&postID=216081#post 216081

I realize the this is KeyClone's web site

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The only misconception is that this is his website. While it is not his website, www.solidice.com, this is where he does all of his business for Keyclone.

No harm no foul though.

Welcome to the forums!

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Originally Posted by 'Simulacra',index.php?page=Thread&postID=215964#po st215964

Hi - Keyclone does have mouse replication for each screen, I found it the other day by accident and it works well - each mouse pointer goes to exactly the same spot on each screen so you could easily use blizzard.

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Ehh.. how? :S

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=216110#po st216110

http://www.gamecommanderpro.com/createspellrotation

Please help me understand how this program works.

Based on the information on this page, it looks like the program is casting the spells for you, based on the rotation you pre-select? That looks a lot like automation to me.

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GameCommanderPro does not cast the spells for you. It creates a series of GCP commands, each command casts one spell for each character (which ever spell starts on the black line). It then generates a set of control commands which allow you to cast current spell then move to the next, repeat the last spell (in case the cast fails), skip the next step, or start at the beginning again. Each of these steps is initiated by a keypress. The user decides which key to press. Think of it as a /castsequence for multiple characters with graphical editing.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=216113#po st216113

http://www.gamecommanderpro.com/node/57

Explain this too. This looks like scripting to me.

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I assume you mean automations when you say scripting, as scripting is build into World of Warcraft, and is obviously not a problem (ie. macros, /script, mods via lua, etc.).

Let me say now that GameCommanderPro is completely legal and uses no automation.

GameCommanderPro only sends keystrokes to World of Warcraft. It only sends 1 keystroke to a window for each user keystroke. The fact that it looks like scripting is exactly the point we are making when we say that GameCommanderPro makes multi boxing more accessible. To take an example from your post,

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Self Buffs
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KeyReset 6000
<<Vindicaer,Callidaer,Eversaer,Culexaer,Venenaer >>
if %KeyCount% = 1
Cast Buffs On Vindicaer-Target
<<Eversaer,Culexaer,Venenaer>>
macro /script CancelItemTempEnchantment(1)
endif

if %KeyCount% > 1
<<Vindicaer>>
Cast Righteous Fury on Vindicaer-Target
<<Eversaer, Culexaer, Venenaer>>
macro /use Lesser Firestone
macro /use 16 (16 is macro code for weapon hand one)
KeyReset
endif"

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Although this is edited as one script its broken down into several macro and generates key bindings for each. The names in "<<>>" simply tell the key mapper which windows to send to. The "Cast" command generates a macro for WoW and a keystroke to invoke it. The "if" and "keyreset" statements simply provide a mechanism for casting a different spell on each press (see /castsequence on WoW website for details of how to achieve this).

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=216130#po st216130

Alright, It sounds like you know the difference here. Thanks for spending time to clarify.

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If Fur had a stamp, I imagine it would be here.



:)

Hmm this actually looks promising. How do you guys handle window switching or does it? The time line feature is pretty nice. Alot faster than trying to set it up in excel hehe.

Edit: Also how would you set up something like FTL with it?

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Originally Posted by 'rahven32',index.php?page=Thread&postID=216181#pos t216181

Hmm this actually looks promising. How do you guys handle window switching or does it? The time line feature is pretty nice. Alot faster than trying to set it up in excel hehe.

Edit: Also how would you set up something like FTL with it?

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Window switching is built into GameCommanderPro. Your leader is wherever you mouse is pointed, when we talk about leader we mean the biggest window. You can also store a zoomed position and size and have a hotkey (default "CTRL-Z") to zoom the active window.
Here's the follow command created by our setup wizard:
<<All>>
if %$LeaderChan% = 1
Follow Aarelan
endif
if %$LeaderChan% = 2
Follow Barelan
endif
if %$LeaderChan% = 3
Follow Carelan
endif
if %$LeaderChan% = 4
Follow Darelan
endif
if %$LeaderChan% = 5
Follow Earelan
endif

"%LeaderChan%" is the window containing the mouse, so as you can see, making macros dependent on the "active" character is really simple.
For example, in pvp, one tactic is to bust down a multiboxer's leader, but with GCP you could just point to the next window hit "CTRL-Z" and carry on fighting.

Honestly we had to google FTL because we mainly use GCP and we've never come across the FTL problem.

So the active window is whatever the mouse is at? Now when you say zoom does that mean say I have my tank in the big window (leader) then I'd have to mouse over one of my smaller window's then hit CTRL-Z to make that window the big window? Or can I bind F8-F12 for each window?

With Keyclone, pardon my poor images..

I bind a command, or hotkey to each region.



1111111111112222
1111111111112222
1111111111113333
1111111111113333
1111111111114444
1111111111114444


If I press Control F1, the toon in region 1, is brought to that window (which is the default start position).

If I press Control F2, then it swaps the large window...

2222222222221111
2222222222221111
2222222222223333
2222222222223333
2222222222224444
2222222222224444

ISBoxer does something similar, but the active region is large, and instead of swapping, that portion displays your desktop background. So you know which region is active at a glance, because that region shows your background.

So it might look like (I guess this one would be for a 3-box, not a 4-box):

3333333333331111
3333333333331111
3333333333332222
3333333333332222
333333333333
333333333333


How does your software handle (or does it), a picture in picture option?

First let me clarify that you dont need to zoom in order to make a character "active", just simply mouse over.
If you do want to use a key to zoom a window, do something like this:

<<Barelan>>
Max
This will zoom my hunter
The command to un-zoom:
Std

You could then assign whichever key you would like to these commands.

You could even just use one key with a "Get" command:

Get, ZoomWho, who would you like to zoom 1-5
Chan %ZoomWho%
Max

This would ask you which window to zoom.

A Slightly more sophisticated version of this would be:

Get, ZoomWho, who would you like to zoom 1-5, 6 to un-zoom
if %ZoomWho% = 6
Std
else
Chan %ZoomWho%
Max
endif

This would allow you to have the un-zoom on the same key.

Competition is good to improve innovation but I'm curious to why as of late so many people are creating new commercial tools around mboxing - it doesn't seem like a growth market; even with great ease of use and more powerful computers, I don't see many people paying for 5 wow subscription - what's the business plan behind those ?

This behind said I'll be happy to test new software, I have experience with Keyclone and HotKeyNet - just would need some assurance this isn't a fly by night key logging/account harvesting operation :-) (or a clone of the evil one)

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Originally Posted by 'Ualaa',index.php?page=Thread&postID=216205#post21 6205

How does your software handle (or does it), a picture in picture option?

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Our zoom is like the second option(ie. zooms not switches). We do however support multiple layouts which can be instantly recalled, so it would take a few minutes to setup but would actualy give you greater flexibility. For instance you could have one window layout, for each combat situation(ie. Tank N Spank, Caster Duel, Complexing Healing).

How much time does it take to switch window layouts? Reason I ask is I tend to have my main really big and the "slaves" really small basically unplayable but big enough to see that they are where they are supposed to be and facing the right way. If my main dies the time it takes to switch to the other layout can be very important.

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Originally Posted by 'Moorea',index.php?page=Thread&postID=216209#post2 16209

Competition is good to improve innovation but I'm curious to why as of late so many people are creating new commercial tools around mboxing - it doesn't seem like a growth market; even with great ease of use and more powerful computers, I don't see many people paying for 5 wow subscription - what's the business plan behind those ?

This behind said I'll be happy to test new software, I have experience with Keyclone and HotKeyNet - just would need some assurance this isn't a fly by night key logging/account harvesting operation :-) (or a clone of the evil one)

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Originally GameCommanderPro wasn't designed for commercial use. I designed it for personal use. It was because other people saw the product and liked it, that we are releasing it for general use. The business plan isn't to make millions of dollars, rather to make a product that is capable of supporting its own maintenance and support costs.

Not sure how I can answer the key logging thing, other than to say that GCP doesn't do it, and that we're good honest members of society.

GCP only needs write access to it's data directory, and only writes during user requested operations, so it would be fairly easy to monitor that it behaves honestly. It does attempt to open a listen port, which you can block with your firewall if you feel uncomfortouble. This port is only used when you interconnect multiple copies of GCP. We'll be releasing that feature soon, but for the moment you can leave the port blocked.

Phil

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Originally Posted by 'rahven32',index.php?page=Thread&postID=216218#pos t216218

How much time does it take to switch window layouts? Reason I ask is I tend to have my main really big and the "slaves" really small basically unplayable but big enough to see that they are where they are supposed to be and facing the right way. If my main dies the time it takes to switch to the other layout can be very important.

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Time taken is entirely dependent on your graphics card. The actual command takes GCP milliseconds to process, and it's just up to your system to handle the command. On our primary testing machine (running vista with a Nvidia GTX260) all zoom commands are instant, however on our secondary machine (XP with Nvidia GT8500) the zoom takes a few seconds. All of the other equipment on the two machines is the same.

Does the program handle processor affinity? or does it? Sorry if I'm asking to many questions lol. I would love to see a video of this in action.

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Originally Posted by 'rahven32',index.php?page=Thread&postID=216229#pos t216229

Does the program handle processor affinity? or does it? Sorry if I'm asking to many questions lol. I would love to see a video of this in action.

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Short answer; no. We did some trials with our test machines (2 of which are quad cores, 1 of which is dual core) and found no significant difference, so decided not to include it. If there's real need, it's not a problem for us to add it (in case you're a techie, we already acquire the process handle for some features, so this shouldn't take very long).

We've actually found that most of our machines hardly hit the processor at all, it's actually the graphics cards that determines how well multiple copies of WoW run.

*edit*
Forgot to mention, we were planning to do videos today, however we seem to have had a premature launch :P. Videos will be posted soon, we plan to add tons of videos to our getting started sections, and plan to do a vlog sort of thing.

When running mine if I don't set the affinity it will only use 2 cores. I've used keyclone and currently using HKN. It looks like your program is a mix of the two which I find pretty interesting. Being able to script makes it very powerful and the gui lets me visualize better. Have you guys made any video's? I'm pretty interested in seeing it work.