Wow twink heaven coming

From http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patch...atchnotes.html

# Disabling experience gains will prevent a player from gaining experience through any means available in the game.

So I guess this means you can get any BOP you want without worrying about xp ! (and need less careful planning - you can just level to 19,29,39... and then turn off (10g) and then gear up)

On the other hand:

# Players with experience gains turned off who compete in Battlegrounds will face off only against other players with experience gains turned off.

So I guess will be twinks against twinks only - queues may get bigger as a result but I guess it will be fairer

So who will be rolling twink teams ?

Its a needed change, but they need to take it that one step further like EQ2 and let you mentor down to a lower level so you can help new players/toons level w/o all the penalties. Just like in EQ2 when you mentor down, your stats items and skills scale as well so your not invincible.

Awesome! Again (I can't remember the other recent-ish change for the better ... hmm), Blizzard recognizes the reality and shifts the game to suit. They're learning well.

But people twink so that they can beat the snot out of non-twinks. I foresee a large number of people not taking advantage of this and continuing to twink the old way.

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Nevermind. It looks like they're adding experience to battlegrouds.

Even if they twink the old way, they will level out of the x9's bracket due to XP in BG's.

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Originally Posted by 'Vicker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=209937#post2 09937

But people twink so that they can beat the snot out of non-twinks. I foresee a large number of people not taking advantage of this and continuing to twink the old way.

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This. Except they can't do it the old way if you get exp from BG's. I bet a lot of people will use the feature at the beginning, but when they can no longer take their fully twinked character in and roflstomp normal players who aren't twinked they'll give up.

Sounds like they're planning that new MMO they're working on for release in 2-3 years.

Woot, great news for my 60 twink :D full t2 here I come

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[*]Warsong Gulch

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  the team that captured the first flag wins. If neither side has
  captured a flag, then the game ends in a tie.

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Maybe I'll do it now.

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Originally Posted by 'kadaan',index.php?page=Thread&postID=209941#post2 09941

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Originally Posted by 'Vicker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=209937#post2 09937

But people twink so that they can beat the snot out of non-twinks. I foresee a large number of people not taking advantage of this and continuing to twink the old way.

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This. Except they can't do it the old way if you get exp from BG's. I bet a lot of people will use the feature at the beginning, but when they can no longer take their fully twinked character in and roflstomp normal players who aren't twinked they'll give up.

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Will definitely be instructive to see how the twink population does after the changes go live. I see twinks on both sides of the fence, though, so no idea which is the actual larger contingent. I'd say probably 25% fall in twink numbers with the majority sticking around. I really don't think there are THAT many pure griefers in the twink population. You just read about them more because they're such a damn nuisance. ;)

I wouldn't say that people twink to pwn nontwinks.

They twink because they know the bracket is stable. Blizz isn't going to add another season of gear or for them to grind for or throw another expansion on top of them. Once they are maxed out, they are done, and can focus on pvping for fun, instead of pvping for gear.

About "stable" gear - I logged in my l19 twink mage (yes I was trying the hard stuff, not the usual twink rogue...) only to find that her boots (fishing boots), hats, etc... we're all "red' unusable... including some expensive enchants, etc... so I guess if I ever want to play her again I have to re equip her - the only good news is I can finally get her the arena master trinket she can't get now because that would make her ding...

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Originally Posted by 'EaTCarbS',index.php?page=Thread&postID=209993#pos t209993

I wouldn't say that people twink to pwn nontwinks.

They twink because they know the bracket is stable. Blizz isn't going to add another season of gear or for them to grind for or throw another expansion on top of them. Once they are maxed out, they are done, and can focus on pvping for fun, instead of pvping for gear.

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This.

I twink and all I ever hear from non twinkers is QQ about us only twinking to pwn non twinks. I think with any niche group, you will have people who don't quite understand what it's all about and cast [often bad] judgements on that particular interest. Just like we do here, there is a whole community of twinkers out there.

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Originally Posted by 'Moorea',index.php?page=Thread&postID=209995#post2 09995

About "stable" gear - I logged in my l19 twink mage (yes I was trying the hard stuff, not the usual twink rogue...) only to find that her boots (fishing boots), hats, etc... we're all "red' unusable... including some expensive enchants, etc... so I guess if I ever want to play her again I have to re equip her - the only good news is I can finally get her the arena master trinket she can't get now because that would make her ding...

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Unfortunately, last patch they nerfed most of the BC enchants/enhancements that could be used by twinks, by putting level caps on most enchants. My 19 rogue lost about 700 or so hp but im still sitting at 900hp, 30% crit and 50% dodge.

[quote='jinx08',index.php?page=Thread&postID=210011 #post210011]I twink and all I ever hear from non twinkers is QQ about us only twinking to pwn non twinks. I think with any niche group, you will have people who don't quite understand what it's all about and cast [often bad] judgements on that particular interest. Just like we do here, there is a whole community of twinkers out there.[/quote]To be fair to the people QQing about twinks, it's hard to dispute the often ruinous effect twinks have in current level 19/29 BG sessions. Especially when said non-twinks are folks new to the game and just trying to take an enjoyable break from PVE leveling. ;) The last time I played a low-level BG match was when the other team had two twink rogues on it. I watched one of theirs with almost 1k hp go through the two casters (who had about 400hp) in about 6 hits and then dodge everything the normally-geared rogue and hunter (me) threw at him. Wasn't even sporting. /shrug My non-twink 19 rogue I was playing recently is sitting at about 9% crit and 18% dodge with normal green quest gear. Versus something like [url='http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kor%27gall&n=Gummimaci']this?[/url] LOL!

On top of that, you have no shortage of twinks who sit and spam trade all day about how badly the just "pwned" people in that last BG, or who show off achievements and youtube videos of them just slaughtering normals.

Nobody would complain about twinks if you could choose a BG that excluded them so you'd be up against other normal players. Looks like they're finally drawing that line, which I think is a Good Thing(tm).

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Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=210012 #post210012]
[quote='jinx08',index.php?page=Thread&postID=210011 #post210011]I twink and all I ever hear from non twinkers is QQ about us only twinking to pwn non twinks. I think with any niche group, you will have people who don't quite understand what it's all about and cast [often bad] judgements on that particular interest. Just like we do here, there is a whole community of twinkers out there.[/quote]To be fair to the people QQing about twinks, it's hard to dispute the often ruinous effect twinks have in current level 19/29 BG sessions. Especially when said non-twinks are folks new to the game and just trying to take an enjoyable break from PVE leveling. ;) The last time I played a low-level BG match was when the other team had two twink rogues on it. I watched one of theirs with almost 1k hp go through the two casters (who had about 400hp) in about 6 hits and then dodge everything the normally-geared rogue and hunter (me) threw at him. Wasn't even sporting. /shrug My non-twink 19 rogue I was playing recently is sitting at about 9% crit and 18% dodge with normal green quest gear. Versus something like [url='http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kor%27gall&n=Gummimaci

this?[/url] LOL!

On top of that, you have no shortage of twinks who sit and spam trade all day about how badly the just "pwned" people in that last BG, or who show off achievements and youtube videos of them just slaughtering normals.

Nobody would complain about twinks if you could choose a BG that excluded them so you'd be up against other normal players. Looks like they're finally drawing that line, which I think is a Good Thing(tm).

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IDD. There is no fun in one shotting players with a fraction on the gear you do.

I love the competitivness of twink Vs twink pre-mades! I've spent many hours grinding on my main to get gear/ enchants to perfect my fun little killing machine. It's nice to know that Blizz have finally done something to even things out a bit, twink or non-twink.

I had a twink rogue for a while, and to be honest it soon lost it's appeal.

Being able to kill any normal gear player in 2 - 3 hits grew old real fast. (especially when I remembered what it was like with the shoe on the other foot).
So i then started hunting through the bg for the opposing teams twinks (if they had any). Normally geared players were just collateral damage.

Then of course you'd face a premade Zerg. They would quick cap 2 flags and then sit below the graveyard waiting for ressers (thats if they didn't sit right in the graveyard killing ressers).

I had two options. Join a pvp guild and live for those occassions when a premade met a premade. Having to go through goodness knows how many matches against teams with normal gear. Or give up. I deleted my twink and never regretted it.

I think this change could be great for twinks and non twinks alike. The twinks get the equivalent of premade vs premade to test their skills and coordination.
Those levelling and looking for a bit of battleground action where they might actually be able to kill the opposition get what they want.

Those who twink to feel elite and to kid themselves that they are a superior player will hate it, but I suspect they will be the minority.

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Originally Posted by 'Vicker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=209937#post2 09937

But people twink so that they can beat the snot out of non-twinks. I foresee a large number of people not taking advantage of this and continuing to twink the old way..

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I think that there are a small number of twink players who enjoy pounding non-twinks in BGs. I think that most twinks want to face other twinks. The problem for non-twinks was two-fold: One, if they queued up for a low-level BG just for fun or a change of pace, they'd spend the entire BG getting their faces mashed in against players that they had no hope of beating. Two, they risked being berated by their teammates for filling a spot that another twink would have had.

This has been an ongoing fight for a while now, and I think this is a good way to deal with it. Yes, queues may be longer, but then again they may not-- after a while, as players come to understand that they can now compete in low-level BGs, more players might queue up for them. Not only will they avoid the uber-twinks, they get honor, marks, AND experience from it. Sure, some twinks will hit the non-twink circuit, but to do so they have to enable exp, and they'll only be able to battle non-twinks for so long before they either level up or disable exp again.

The xp gain as I understood it was through quests and objectives, so if you dont do any quests or cap flag, capture tower, etc - you wont get xp right? So wouldnt that allow twinks to face nontwinks as long as they just kill people?

Maybe the way it works is that you get exp for simply being in the BG whether you personally cap a flag etc or not. Either way, it's a great step in the right direction from Blizz.
Im looking forward to all the new possibilites it could bring for twinks! No exp= profit!

I dont see the difference on this and facing furiouse geared players when i join bgs on my green rogue!?!?

A easy fix would be:

Take the highest item lvl from your head pice currently in your bags, then neck etc etc.

In the end you divide it on 14 and you get an average item level, you can place your tank gear or pve healing items in the bank to avoid getting ranked to high.(incase theese items are higher itemlvl)

ya I dont know why they havent implemented that... probably because the furious people would be... ahem, "furious" that they couldnt steamroll you anymore.

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[*]Warsong Gulch

• There is a now a 20 minute timer on this battleground. After that time, the team with the most flag captures wins. If this would result in a tie, the team that captured the first flag wins. If neither side has captured a flag, then the game ends in a tie.

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YES!!! FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY YES!!!! :thumbsup: I haven't played this battleground in over a year due to the fact that the last 20 games or so that I ever played lasted between 2-4 hours each! I have been screaming for a timer on WSG for years! 8o

Wasn't 'gear matching' implemented a long time ago? Not that it actually works lol

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Originally Posted by 'Tdog',index.php?page=Thread&postID=210042#post210 042

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[*]Warsong Gulch

• There is a now a 20 minute timer on this battleground. After that time, the team with the most flag captures wins. If this would result in a tie, the team that captured the first flag wins. If neither side has captured a flag, then the game ends in a tie.

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YES!!! FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY YES!!!! :thumbsup: I haven't played this battleground in over a year due to the fact that the last 20 games or so that I ever played lasted between 2-4 hours each! I have been screaming for a timer on WSG for years! 8o

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I couldn't agree more. WSG made me break my keyboard due to never ending matches, and general frustration.

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Originally Posted by 'jinx08',index.php?page=Thread&postID=210043#post2 10043

Wasn't 'gear matching' implemented a long time ago? Not that it actually works lol

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Well the problem is that, there isn't always enough people with the same gear levels around to put together a well balanced game. Which actually brings me to something I see being a problem on the horizon for twinks. It's probably going to take ALOT longer for matches to happen for the lower brackets as most people who do infact pvp at lower brackets aren't twinking. When you really stop at think about it, there is usually only like 1-2 twinks in a 19 bracket wsg game. Sure sometimes you run into a full twink premade, but that happens so infrequently in reality. I've actually been in plenty of 19 bracket games that had no twinks at all and most definitely been in other brackets where you rarely ever see twinks.

I'm thinking that if Blizzard wants to make this a success that once you turn off xp gains instead of just matching you up against other people who have xp turned off from just your battle group, you should be matched up against people with xp turned off from all battlegroups.

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Originally Posted by 'jinx08',index.php?page=Thread&postID=210043#post2 10043

Wasn't 'gear matching' implemented a long time ago? Not that it actually works lol

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Yes to both. The problem is that if they make the gear-matching too strict the BG queue times become extremely long. So assuming they didn't turn it off, it doesn't work very well because the range of allowable gear is very wide.

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Originally Posted by 'Tdog',index.php?page=Thread&postID=210042#post210 042

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[*]Warsong Gulch

• There is a now a 20 minute timer on this battleground. After that time, the team with the most flag captures wins. If this would result in a tie, the team that captured the first flag wins. If neither side has captured a flag, then the game ends in a tie.

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YES!!! FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY YES!!!! :thumbsup: I haven't played this battleground in over a year due to the fact that the last 20 games or so that I ever played lasted between 2-4 hours each! I have been screaming for a timer on WSG for years! 8o

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I couldn't agree more. WSG made me break my keyboard due to never ending matches, and general frustration.

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Agree thats one of the main reasons I quit playing WSG. I didnt have the time to spend an hour in one game.

I have been contemplating making a twink, or twink team, for a while now. This makes it much easier to build a twink and gear them out without having to worry about getting too much XP or waiting at the front of the deadmines until your booster get to Smite. You can also control exactly when you ding. You can be level 19 and 1XP if you time it right. That way you can leave XP on and and destroy WSG all you want - depending on exactly how the XP is gained. Or leave it off most of the time and if you are in a bad mood (like me today being cut off no less then 15 times on my drive to work - I love Dallas traffic) turn it on for a bit and devistate the normals. Then turn it back off when you nolonger feel the need to be a d-bag.

I had been holding off actually twininkg for two reasons. 1 with the last round of changes I expected more to come. And 2 I wasn't sure what I wanted to roll. I played a semi-twinked 18 pally as a healbot - which was fun.With the new mount changes and Druids getting travel for at 16, my decision has been made. Druids will dominate the 19 bracket like they used to dominate the 39 bracket - well close. I might just do it now.

I can see it just leading to twinking being dead on most servers/Battlegroups. But then there will be a battlegroup where all the twink teams migrate their characters to. I like the idea, I havent played a twink since classic wow but Id be tempted to level a twink multibox team now.

These days, when I WSG.. pretty much have two windows open.
a) warcraft; b) dvd/downloaded TV show.

They're about equal size.
Have about as much concentration on each.

If the pvp is good, pause the other window.
If it drags out, unpause and at least have some background distraction.
I'm never really afk, because I'm running around looking for things to kill.
Or patrolling the area around a flag etc.
Still, did the 30 WSG, 30 AB, 30 AV marks for a pvp mount, and it made the AB/WSG seemingly fast.