Title pretty much says it all.
I was hoping that there's someone in the community who has counted the approx # of SM instance runs it takes to actually get from 25-45.
I just hit 25 on my 5 druids last night and took everyone up to SM. I use my 80DK and round robin every 2 runs or so substituting the odd man out. Not worried about the 5 runs per hour just the sheer # of runs that it's going to take.
Thanks.
**************WITHOUT RAF**************** Forgot that in the OP
There are too many factors to give an exact amount of runs. Alot of things change the amount of XP you can gain from boosting. You get more exp the closer your boostee is to the level of the dungeon. So my lvl 60 booster will give more exp than my lvl 80. having a full group vs 2, 3, or 4.
Without RAF it will be brutal. Doable of course but brutal. Good Luck!
I would love to find this out as well as I am dragging a 25 druid through SM Cath (2 pulls) and Graveyard (1 pull) with my 80 Druid (just 2 boxing). Doing both puts me right at the instance cap so it works out well but I think I only get about 1/2 level each reset so it is painfully slow. I may just have to get another account to RAF with so that I can level faster. Man I wish they would just let you pay to reactivate RAF on your linked accounts... X(
I can't give you an exact number, but I'll get you close... I did 24-40 on 4 toons in just under 2 hours /played with recruit a friend there. I believe at the time it took ~45 minutes for me to do 5x runs and get locked out, this means ~13-14 clears of both Cathedral and Armory. You'll need 3 times as many without Recruit-A-Friend. So, around 40+/- clears should do it.
Unless having an L80 instead of a L70 booster affects the XP much, I don't think it does though.
I'll be more specific.
I'm using an 80DK and will always have 4 druids at any one time. I simply swap out a druid every 2 runs. I keep track of which druid by taking the druid captain and moving her around using PiP inside of keyclone and I boost on the 6th acct which I leave on the left monitor overlapping the Main Screen.
I don't use any damage dealing auras or buffs. I simply run and aggro everything...run back and D&D and try to spread diseases. One thing that's really helped is the essence of gossamer tanking trinket.
At levels 20-25 in Stockades with the DK, the 4 druids were getting 59-63 XP per NPC per kill. I guess I'll be the one to let you guys know how many runs lol...
How many runs through Stockades for 20-25? Each run through with RAF gives ~18 bars of XP, somewhat less for 23-25. I think it would take ~7 runs with RAF so if this took you ~20 without it then the L80 isn't affecting your XP. Which means you can expect to run SM about 40 times if you do both Armory and Cathedral full clears.
Stab...ty very much. Yes, it was around 20-22 times through Stockades.
One last question...do I have to even bother with Armory? I hate that one and it's long and painful...or can I just immediately go to Cathedral?
Is the gap in XP that much diff because of the toons level -- 2 -- instance factor?
Armory is faster than Cathedral even, run to end of instance and then pull everything back to entrance and kill it. You can pull Herod too if you like (but it's not really worth it xp-wise).
If you don't run Armory you'll spend 30+ minutes waiting on max # of instance reached timer. Both Cathedral and Armory only take around 4-5 mins each.
Awesome ty.
I think I'll get a rhythm going then and once I figure out how many times each...I can loot to fill in the hour. I parked an old rogue and lock outside for easy porting for repairs and selling stuff.
all numbers below were from using a 70 mage booster. here's the count for my 20-45:
20-31 SM (bout 6 resets, 1h, 8m per run, instance cap) [insert coffee break here or level the next set of toons thru starting area]
SM Cath = ~18 bars at l24
SM Arm = ~12 bars at l25
(20-28 = 21 mins, and then i get instance capped)
31-35 SM (bout 4 resets, 45m, 8m per run)
35-45 ZF (bout 7 resets, 1h45m, 15-20m per run)
(note: this is pre-nerf ZF)
one run of ZF was started at 35.05
1st pull (to the fountain) = ~10 bars at l35 (4m)
2nd pull (left of fountain - including all mobs at ghazrilla area) = ~8 bars at l36 (3m)
3rd pull (right of fountain - including Antu'sul + surrounding mobs) = ~3 bars at l35-36 (3m)
4th pull (scarabs) = ~3 bars at l36 (1m)
5th pull (zombies) = ~7 bars at l36 (2m)
6th pull (prestairs) = ~3 bars at l36-37 (2m)
7th pull (all stairs) = ~7 bars at l37 (4m)
total run including downtime = ended at 37.025 (24m from entrance to exit)
hope this helps :)
I never tracked the exact time, but its always been an afternoon.
I've done it with RAF, so its very quick.
But my dps is not optimal for the area.
I've run with
- 4 leveling hunters, grouped with a T4 Hunter (BM Spec).
- 4 leveling shammies, grouped with a T5 Shammy (Elem Spec).
- 4 leveling disc priests, grouped with the same shammy.
- 4 leveling Boomkins, grouped with the same shammy.
Pretty much single target or Multi-shot/Chain Lighting.
An actual AoE class like a Pally or Mage would have done it faster.
The job got done, with the tools available.
Then again, when I'm in a leveling mood, I'm willing (and able) to play 15 hrs a day for numerous days straight.
I am currently leveling up some groups so I will start keeping track. To include deaths and what not so I know how much they did not get and so on.
Are you finding that Zul'Farrak is better than the sunken temple......?
....after SM, I've been going to Temple of Atal'Kakkar, not sure where after 50... Dire maul?
THAT'S FREAKING BULL CRAP!!!Quote:
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Sorry I did almost all of my leveling before RAF was even around. Just really sucks for the guys who been around a bit longer.
lolx! i did start with mages back then and i got up to 45ish when i decided to just do a 'reboot' and started from scratch with RAF. never looked back now that i've got all the toons i'd ever need! if only i had time!!Quote:
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Quote:
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CALM DOWN TDOG!!!!!! :p
To many to count!
I'm on another batch of hunters and just finished SM and heading to ZF.
The normal path I follow is:
Alliance:
1-12 Questing
12-22 Stockades
22-40 SM
40-46 ZF
46-60 Strat
Horde:
1-8 Questing
8-16 RFC
16-22 WC
22-40 SM
40-46 ZF
46-60 Strat
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I also loot every mob from SM+ and make 1000's of gold :P
My Tanks always have Enchanting!! And I DE all BoP and Greens and AH blues+/cloth, etc...
Just finished the SM runs for my new 4 hunters and I made:
~250 gold (~50g each toon) from silver
Once all of the AH mats sell I'll have another 700+ Gold. I got 2 Blue BoE's but on my Server no one farms this level mats, so the cloth sells for alot and the Enchant Mats sell for a ton!! 3g+ ea. on avg!
I'm doing ZF right now and each run is netting me ~ 2 levels a run. I do a complete clear and my bags are full on my tank from all of the drops. I'm not into speed when doing RAF leveling just farming gold, makes it a tad bit more fun and you don't have that issue of not having enough gold.
I do not have an answer to your exact question, but here is a summary of my recent run from 1-60 with my replacement killers.
1-10. Crabs on the beach with my 80 druid.
10-20 SFK with my 80 paladin.
20-35 SM Cath/Armory. Last 6-7 levels here I just ran Cath. I just did not like Armory, I would rather just wait 30min for the hour lockout to pass.
35-45 Sunken Temple
45-60 Scholomance: Here I did do some tracking. It took me on average 16min to clear Scholo. First 4 runs net me 5 levels. By the 15th run, I had leveled 15 times. So it came out to 15 runs for 15 levels. My RAF accounts did not have BC else at 55 I would have ran Underbog like 2-3 times and been done. It never took more than 2 runs to get a level and that only happened once in Scholo and a couple of times clearing SM Cath. If your not getting a level a run with RAF, then you need to move on.
One thing that made this run of dungens nice, I never had to move my toons from the zone in. That took endless hassle out of the equation than having agro magnets follow you through a zone.
Level 1-8: questing - often single and not multi
Level 8-14: Ragefire Chasm
Level 14-20: Wailing Caverns
Level 20-40: Scarlet Monastery
Level 40-55: BRD then LBRS
Level 55-65: Ramparts then Blood Furnace
I can do this using a 70 warrior. Although I have 4 warlocks, I'll often pick up a healer and just rotate 3 warlocks. The healer speeds things up, he can also loot things. My general rules are he can keep everything that isn't rare, which I get to keep. If it's rare and something the healer can use, then it's his. The xp is so fast there are few complaints about the loot rules. Some people just don't get it and want to loot every little grey item and spend 15 minutes running back and forth selling when we could just pick up the expensive stuff and make more money/xp faster.
BRD and LBRS in particular are underused I think. The mobs come in nice groups of 4-5, perfect for a warrior. One of the nice things about both of these is that they are so large I'm able to just bang away for 45 minutes, clearing it and avoiding the shuffle at the zone line that is always so annoying.
Ya know I just thought of something... does Molten Core give xp? I wonder how much... Considering some level 80 classes can solo most bosses, Im wondering how much xp they give when they die. Is it huge? Or just meh?
No idea on Molten Core, but I am going with meh. Reason boosting works so well even with the low xp gains is that the speed and number of kills makes it worth while. Sure, you can kill that big nasty for 1000xp. Or you can kill 20 scrubs in the same time for 200xp each.
XP in a raid is cut by a lot and the mobs have too much HP.
But that won't matter as much with a party of 5. Still lots of mobs beat a few bosses like SBJ said.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Stabface',index.php?page=Thread&postID=212652#pos t212652
Ya, lots of mobs with 125-150K health and you don't get group XP bonus to boot. (or is XP cut by 1/2 also ? I don't remember.) I can guarantee that the mobs / bosses don't give 25X-50X as much XP which is how much they'd need to be in order to even come close to what you can get in a normal instance.
It's a neat idea but totally unworkable, feel free to try it and tell me if I'm wrong but I am 99% sure I am not.
I mostly approve of this instance list, except I replaced Wailing Caverns with SFK and I included the first large room of UBRS with LBRS.Quote:
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BRD is definately underused. Using my 80 DK I would just plow up the Road, kill several groups in the room with the Lock, rinse and repeat.
As for how I dealt with BRS, you can see for yourself here -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4MM7a7X7gA
I tried a full run of LBRS, but decided dealing with the trolls wasn't my idea of fun. Or fast.
Up until this past weekend, I'd always quested till I was ready for SFK. I got a level 40 friend to run me through RFC this weekend. Wasn't the fastest thing ever, but my god that was good exp.
I also think WC is a bad idea. I mean, probably more exp per run than SFK, but it's a whooooole lot bigger, so I don't think it'd be anywhere near as quick.
My experience only goes up to boosting via RAF to L34 so far, but I've had a very good time of it
* New duo quests two-box to L8
* 80 boosts them thru RFC til 15 (about 6 runs)
* 80 boosts them thru SFK 15-20 (about 6-7 runs)
* 80 boosts them thru SM Cath 20-35 (I'm at about 20 runs now but I'm doing it so fast I keep hitting the instance reset lockout, even with looting everything I kill!)
* 80 boosts them thru partial ST 35-45 (see the video somebody posted in the movies forum - that's what I plan to do but modified for a hunter)
* 80 boosts them thru UD Strat 45-60 (this will be slower, can't handle as much in one pull at this level)