How old are you Svpernova09?
People make an effort and because you don`t like the creator of software nobody can.. :thumbdown:
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How old are you Svpernova09?
People make an effort and because you don`t like the creator of software nobody can.. :thumbdown:
Care to elaborate? Personal attacks are cheesy, personal attacks with no leg to stand on is just stupid. :thumbdown:
Svpernova is enforcing a SITE policy that prohibits the advertising and support of products from a specific individual who has significant negative history here.
If you don't like it, the door is over there ->
Yep David, whack indeed.
Im just making a video so people can get an idea of multiple multiboxing software out there so they can choose for themselves wich one they would like to use. I guess this admin is removing/editing all posts/threads about Pwnboxer like its aids.
I'm 28, thanks for asking.
Discussion of Pwnboxer is not allowed here. This has nothing to do with my personal feelings towards the software, it's just not allowed here.
Yes I amQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Negativ1337',index.php?page=Thread&postID=202587# post202587
because Pwnboxer is EvilSeed / Time / Mousecloner, who has been BANNED FROM THIS COMMUNITY.
Flame me all you want. I'm the one following the rules and taking appropriate actions.
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Originally Posted by 'Otlecs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=202586#post2 02586
Perhaps you should thank the moderators for allowing you to promote your videos here, instead of complaining about the one they didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Negativ1337',index.php?page=Thread&postID=202587# post202587
I think the poster needs to read the "NO MO DRAMA" policy.
flaming the moderator gets you nothing... but banned.
If he doesn't like the moderators rulings maybe he should open his own boxing website and promote his stuff there all he wants ;p
I let things go quite a bit around here, and am pretty laid back. You have to do quite a bit to get a response out of me the likes that product has. There have been tons of cross linking to different sites that have to do with multiboxing that would pull traffic away from here and it doesn't bother me. I built this site for the community, and I protect my community because it is my home away from home. As you can see there are no ads, your not getting spammed with crapola to make money off my users.
The author / his products are not welcome here due to the detrimental effects it has had on this community.
Hey guys,
Alright. From now on my video's will not include his software. I love this community and i don't want to risk to get my forum account banned. I talked to Ellay on MSN and he said its okay for me to post video's but i can't include pwnboxer software.
Kind regards,
Steven from WoWMultiVids
Thanks for the lovely mature posts.
Perhaps you should thank him for making the video`s. It helps other people. It`s not like he has a huge personal gain from it.Quote:
Perhaps you should thank the moderators for allowing you to promote your videos here, instead of complaining about the one they didn't.
And thank you so much for starting it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'David',index.php?page=Thread&postID=202637#post20 2637
I appreciate Negatives videos. I understand that he is putting effort into making them, and won't get much out of it, but I was just reminding him that being able to do so is a privilege and not a right.
>Thanks for the lovely mature posts.
That's a double dose of irony right?
If you had genuinely just wanted to find out why the videos in questions were being moderated away, you would have asked in private. Or you would have made a mature post phrasing the question in a way that didn't contain any form of personal attack, because it simply wasn't warranted.
Instead, you post in emotive terms and are then surprised to see that people who understand the situation rush to defend one of the few active moderators we still have around here.
On the up-side, since it's come up - again - at least more people will be aware of the situation and will hopefully not make the same mistake.
The only thing I would do differently if I was a no-holds-barred moderator is DELETE the threads in question rather than let them keep getting dragged up and giving this ...person... free publicity.
I'm 100% in favor of a full on delete, BUT, I'm reluctant to delete anything forever, because people can't learn from something that isn't here. I'd much rather lock something, explain why, and let it drop to the bottom. Otherwise you'll still have the same argument of "well I didn't know".Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Otlecs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=202646#post2 02646
The videos linked directly to the products site via an affiliation link, meaning he was getting kick back.Quote:
Perhaps you should thank him for making the video`s. It helps other people. It`s not like he has a huge personal gain from it.
I don't have anything against Negativ, and I very much welcome his video contributions to the site :) we already talked about this. Just stating the obvious.
Lets just delete this post. Din`t mean to let it become a flamewars. I`m just don`t like the fact that the forum completely bans a program that involves multiboxing.
And I agree I should not have openly attacked svpernova09. It`s just the big red caps reply just before he closes every topic involving this program :rolleyes:
So sorry mister nova :love:
No worries, just understand I don't nuke these threads from orbit on a whim. The reason this application is now allowed is because the author has no regard for the community, that's not the message we're trying to send here. Every author that I've seen come here to support their product is here for the community, not just to make a buck.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'David',index.php?page=Thread&postID=202687#post20 2687
I see and agree now (after reading up old topics on the application). It wasn`t totally my intention to flame you personally, I just wanted to comment on the topic you closed down before I had a chance to say my thing.
some day we should have some debate on best ways to moderate... and a public and open debate, not a private msg only one
This place is far too laid back for such a debate, and imo, thats fine, I like laid back.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Moorea',index.php?page=Thread&postID=202763#post2 02763
Well no need to state where I stand on this matter.
I was pretty smart at 28 also, but then 38 I had 10 more years of facts and data to draw upon. And at 48 I had 20 more years of facts and data to draw upon. And now at 55 I have more then twice the facts and data to draw upon .....
Its true that recent information is more important then old information but I have the same recent information as eveyrone, plus a buch of less valuable old information as well ....
A wise man doesn't consider himself wise. :whistling:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=202768#p ost202768
Its been said before, but I would like to reiterate. an inteligent man learns from his mistakes, A wise man learns from the mistakes of others, Thank you sam for making me wise. :)
I prefer to kill mobs then do quests (and at 5K X 4 plus a pull its kinda pointless to do quests). WoW is designed to allow various play styles the oppotunity to advance, you're not required to quest to advance your characters. If you feel that questing is the way to go (and many do) then none is stopping you from questing.
I prefer a play style that i like over one that feels like a job.
Plus I got excellent advise as to where is the best level 60 grinding spot, and thats where I went.
And some of us are amazed you actually took that advice instead of shaking your loincloth and saying "I'm doing it my way, beches!".Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=202788#p ost202788
This is turning into a Sam thread... but on that topic; I didn't see you say you did go to HFP as suggested - did you try the spots I mentioned ? (should be a lot more xp per mob than old world)
Did you happen to notice what, yet again, started the decline into a "Sam thread"?I'd have more respect for people who are inconvenienced by Sam's posts, if the wound didn't seem to be so often self-inflicted. STOP IT!Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=202774#po st202774
stop trolling, fur
Just the simple fact that you're in bed with Tim and his software makes you BIASED and in no position to say that you're just out there "to help others"Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Negativ1337',index.php?page=Thread&postID=202587# post202587
You're going off half-cocked here. He actually posted setup videos for various software options in an attempt to help newcomers out.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Nisch',index.php?page=Thread&postID=203168#post20 3168
The intent was fine, even appreciated, but the subject matter was that which should not be discussed here. Everything else aside, THIS is why it was removed, not because any mod has ill-will towards the dev, or any other reason people thought. This is not the conspiracy you're looking for.Everyone involved seems to have come to the same agreement and we should probably let this thread die off.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Otlecs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=203172#post2 03172
Once more for the record: I hate removing content, but I refuse to allow content from someone who has such a terrible reputation with other mods / site owner. The people you see here that are allowed to advertise their products support the community, they're here for US, and not to just raid our wallets. Not everyone has to agree, not everyone has to get along, but if you're going to be apart of this community you will at least, the VERY least, respect the community.
Oh, I agree and I thought it was all done and dusted.Quote:
The intent was fine, even appreciated, but the subject matter was that which should not be discussed here [..] we should probably let this thread die off.
But unless Nisch has information that the rest of us don't, the accusation just seems entirely arbitrary and demanding of a response.
For someone who doesn't really know the full in-depth story of PwnBoxer (i.e. ME), this whole thing seems a little ridiculous; from both sides. Lets all not take ourselves so seriously; hug your kids, call your mom, make love to your wife and have a steaming hot cup of perspective. You'll live longer ;)
@Talamarr
there is a history with that author, and it started before dual-boxing.com. db is just his latest target (disrupting/usurping/stealing/selling community websites is his game)
I respect that DB.com has a policy against them, even tho I cannot totally agree with it due the fact that I had no bad history with the creator of this software.
Therefore it kinda pissed me off how the topics on this application were instantly nuked while I was interested in looking into it (even tho the name is terrible). It got me in a bad moment, bad mood so to say. I flamed a bit, bad idea, sorry for it.
On the other hand. It`s nice that he made a tutorial movie for it. Newcomers should have a chance to check all out before buying one piece of software. In this case it doesn`t go over db.com. People can choose to check the other movies by subscribing to his youtube account and checking all the movies there.
The application itself had some nice functionality but nothing that keyclone or HKN doesn`t have. Those have even more functionality.
And to quote:
This is how I feel about it. I might not agree with the total ban of the application but I respect the choices made by the mods now.Quote:
For someone who doesn't really know the full in-depth story of PwnBoxer (i.e. ME), this whole thing seems a little ridiculous; from both sides. Lets all not take ourselves so seriously; hug your kids, call your mom, make love to your wife and have a steaming hot cup of perspective. You'll live longer ;)
But he offers a "discount" by using the Multivids "special" link provided by PwnBoxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Otlecs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=203172#post2 03172
That's not half-cocked, that's working out a deal with Tim/Evilseed to market his software.
You can't see that when the video is titled:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Otlecs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=203179#post2 03179
WoWMultiVids.com: Setting up Pwnboxer (Buy now with discount!)
and the link he provides in the video description is:
http://xxxxxxxx.com/Affiliates/WoWMu...3/Default.aspx
That means that he had to setup that affiliation with Tim/Evilseed.
I don't see Keyclone giving him a discount.
What better way to "SEEM" impartial than to show all the options, but in reality, you favor one by offering a discount for one specific one.
He obviously gets a kickback. If you can't see that, I'm not sure what other information I can provide you.
Take this analogy:
You're a used car salesman. You carry Ford and Chevy.
You run an add one week for Chevy, then you run the next with Ford. However, with the Ford purchase, you get a free 2 year warranty with your car. In order to get that discount, you need to mention the ad.
Sure, you sell both cars, but you obviously are in bed with only one of them.
That's not half-cocked, and that is not without merit what I said before. He is in bed with Tim/Evilseed.
No mather the history with the person behind the application you cannot flame him for asking money for his product. A program like Keyclone costs money as well. (and yes I know that it`s one time, good support) And I don`t mean people cannot ask a little funding to keep them motivated to keep updating/supporting/website costs. But I don`t think you can just flame him for asking money for the product. Maybe the reason behind it are debatable I don`t know but both ask money for they`re software and that fact stays the same.Quote:
But he offers a "discount" by using the Multivids "special" link provided by PwnBoxer.
That's not half-cocked, that's working out a deal with Tim/Evilseed to market his software.
So I`m sticking to HKN :thumbsup: and yes I`m willing to start paying for it if needed since it`s a quality piece of software.
The history behind it and the intentions are everything. I personally think integrity is everything and when someone comes out saying "I'm just doing this to help out others" when clearly he's getting some kickback for advertisingQuote:
Originally Posted by 'David',index.php?page=Thread&postID=203264#post20 3264
Let me explain it simply.
Tim can't login to this site anymore.
Negativ can.
Negativ obviously is in bed with Tim.
Therefore, Tim is marketing his products to a forum that he's currently banned from.