There are'nt too many 36 boxers, and whoever is doing this needs to knock it off.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...37186051&sid=1
This is the kind of stuff we need to avoid, it's the kind of thing that can be used to shut us down.
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There are'nt too many 36 boxers, and whoever is doing this needs to knock it off.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...37186051&sid=1
This is the kind of stuff we need to avoid, it's the kind of thing that can be used to shut us down.
Wow thats pretty bad... i hope all 36 of his accounts get perma-banned... thats gonna suck for whoever it is.
The 36 boxer who transfered his other toons in would be Prepared. I'd be suprised if this was an actual event thats been happening - primarily because it would get him banned - and not just a few, but all 40+ accounts... I'd HOPE that he wasn't stupid enough to pull this off and it's just a guy QQing.
Not that I can see that wow forums thread where I'm at, but I get the general gist, and I have to wonder if the number of boxes one runs correlates to ass-hattery, and if so, what does that say about me?
I wouldn't make any allience toons for any reason. Don't have any and don't plan to make any.
Also although I talk with 6 at a time cause its just easyer for me to do so I don't hardly talk on the trade channels unless someone is spicifacally talking about me, ya I might talk with 6 saying the same thing (cause my keyboard goes to six computers ....) but I dont say more then 4 things a day in trade if that.
Looks like I do have a future in WG lol ... everyone saying nothing to do with 31 toons HAR!
In his defense though he's not doing anything clearly illegal, he pays for 36 accounts so he has a right to say things 36 times more then one account in trade.
Is it a violation of the rules to have horde and allience characters .... I don't read that anywhere .....
Is it a violation of the rules to not fire from a turrent? Doubt it.
.... I mean really there is nothing previsloy illegal being done here. Notheless you can bet that boxing allience and Horde chacaters similtaionsly in WG is going to be made illegal for good reasons.
Whoever it is, I suspect they're going to lose their accounts soon, if they're asking people to e-mail CSF about it specifically.
It's not a complaint against that many accounts, whoever it is, is using Alliance toons to gain control of turrets and vehicles in WG, and telling the Horde players what he's doing with his Horde toons, so they get easy wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Bigfish',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192895#post 192895
I suspect this will be considered win-trading, and all accounts will be permabanned.
Or, one can hope.
Not if you plan on doing what he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192896#p ost192896
He won't get perma banned, he might get a warning and told to destroy his allicen toons at the worst, as he is doing nothing pervisoulsy prohibitied.
As I stated I won't be making any allience toons for any reasons at any time for anything.
You dont have to win every battle to be the best, you only have to defeat any given opppenet 50.1 percent of the time or better to be the best.
i dont play underhanded or with gimmiks, you saw me lose enough against Loja, I take the lose with the wins. In fact this very morning there was a single allience level 45 killing mobs right next to me, I didnt even attack, whats the point its a auto win for me and whats to prove? If he would have attacked me I would have done him in but hey he's paying his fees, why waste his time for no gain on my part (although he was stealing some of my mobs lol).
That being said again, he didn't violate any existing rule so there should be no penalty. BUT playing allience and horde toons similtansly in WG should be make illegal.
Also if what he did is bannable how come this guy wasn't banned in EVE:
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorp...ve-online.html
On SZ guilds would have spys in other guilds all the time. Bannable?
Villainous!
It's a dirty tactic that can be banned for Wintrading or not . You can treat it like a spy in a real war. This kid has found that loophole that should be fix in the next patch. Like after 3 consecutive chat spam you're toon will be silenced for 30 minutes like in Ragnarok. In the turrets or tanks you'll be boot out if you're not shooting for 1 min or if you didn't hit an opponent after 10 shots. What he has done will surely be imitated by other people who has the same attitude towards the game. What if a Horde guild have a an Alliance Sister guild in the same Realm will do the same? WG is still new and needs some tweaks. I just hope that people will not blame Multiboxing in general eventhough the thread starter in WoW forums pointed that out.
First of all. Comparing 2 different games doesn't make any sense. Unless their rules are 100% identical to each other. It's like comparing apples to grenades. (bit of a stretch but you get the idea)
Second. prepared said that he has had threats of being reported and what not. How many people threaten us multiboxxers everyday and actually go thru with it. Also Blizzard may or may not ban you at any given time. Whether that is right away or a few months down the line, no one actually knows.
Ya really its not like you have to box to be able to do it.Quote:
What if a Horde guild have a an Alliance Sister guild in the same Realm will do the same?
Well the guy in EVE did something to effect the game 100 times more then what Prepared did (if the allegaltions are true)....
Let me ask this. If prepared was ONLY running his allience toons and none of his horde toons were online and gave infos to Horde and refused to fire so that Horde won would that be illegal "wintrading". I don't even know what win tradeing is ... did the EVE guy "wintrade"?
Yes, it would. He is abusing the mechanics of the game to influence the outcome of the match - he's guilty under the broad umbrella of "the spirit of the game", the same if he'd been communicating with either side to influence battlegrounds and arenas.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192919#p ost192919
The boxing comes into play because he's "camping" turrets and vehicles, prohibiting alliance players to use them, and telling the horde he is doing so. Not technically "win-trading" (unless he's working with both sides to throw games on purpose), but I guarantee you it will be found to be a big enough violation to strip him of all gear and honor, if not outright permaban him over it.
The issue in EVE was completely different.
He was accused of spamming the trade channel and playing allience and horde toons to the advange of his horde toons in WG at the same time, and then Fur accused him of using accounts not in his name.
Well sorry Im not up on the latest cheating techniques as well as you are, Fur.
How is the EvE situation different, a guy who is loyal to one side, infilitrates the other side and then DISBANDS the other side lol ... Err actually he was on Side A, was sent to infilitrate Side B for nefarious purposed, Decides Side B is superior and then DISBANDS Side A.
Basically one guy playing on two sides at the same time to the determenet of one side.......
Oh god, what a dick. The concept of the of lyin', cheatin' multiboxer is usually wishful thinking on the part of someone who just wants to believe it. Now there's an actual example of a truly assholish multiboxer. I guess it was inevitable but it's still sad to see it.
If we were a political organization, I think now would be the time to release a solemn statement condemning the actions of this individual.
He didnt do anything that was previously held illegal.
Blizzard has stated Instance boosting is "not working as intended".
Are people who instance boost "asshats" or "takeing advantage of game mechanics", he should not be banned for doing actions that are within the rules even if they work "unfairly" to his advantage.
So at the most he should lose the grear and honor he got from WG, at the VERY most.
Then Blizzard should simply declare that you cannot similtounsly play horde and allience accounts in WG or maybe at any time. Once they make it illegal, then ban violators, but not before its clearly a violation of the rules.
As to the multiple accounts in different names ... exactly why would you create an account in a name not yours?
Blizzard won't bann him for win trading. You can report the same fucking farm bot every day, he is still there. You can also report a guy who is sitting in wintergrasp vehicles and /afk - blizz wont bann him. Ok If he is going to take like 16 tanks and /afk blizz would warn him.. but never bann.
I totally get what you're saying, and often I'd agree, in the interests of fairness. This guy is exploiting a hole in the rules though, and I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who adhere to the letter of the law while thumbing their nose at the spirit of it. I don't know the wording of the policy offhand, but I understand that an account can't have a character of each faction on the same pvp server. Alliance and Horde also cannot communicate, conventionally. These two facts contribute to the "spirit of the game" and have been deliberately circumvented by this dude, in the interests of breaking gameplay in Wintergrasp in his favor, making the game less fun for many people trying to play fair. Even without a standing rule about multiboxing a PvP server, I'd say Blizzard (which has a ban-first,-sort-it-out-later attitude anyway) will not have to deliberate too long before crushing the guy ... And THEN making a rule. It would be severely unjust were he to get a quiet reprimand and then be allowed to run back into the world, flaunting his lack of permban to the people whose game experience he pissed on. Anyway, he's demonstrably the kind of guy who'd try to break the game to his own ends, and they don't need that kind of player slithering around.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192930#p ost192930
Anyone else besides me that had a laugh on their face reading they might get banned?
I mean....so much time invested and then do this....
After a shitty day irl, this makes me a happy troll.
Junglelove,
-Menthu
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192951#po st192951
If the alleged activites are investigated and found to be true, I would expect the punishment to range from having gear/honor stripped, right up to the perma-banning of one or more accounts.
It would be a shame if the guy behind of the more interesting projects in wow (36 boxing) is resorting to exploting WG to get ahead...
Cheers,
S.
Blizzard does indeed ban if they feel you are using multiple accounts to get around their rules of cross-faction communication. My brother had one of his accounts banned pre-TBC for using multiple accounts to xfer stuff using the neutral auction house, they did reverse it after a lot of emails and of course I dunno if they changed this policy post-TBC.
It is a pretty fuzzy line imo, after all what if two friends are chatting on IRC and one is helping the other with the exact same info, thats not really ban worthy now is it? So what makes it really different if the same person is doing it with multiple accounts?
One of the many reasons why I am always leery of doing anything that could get me noticed by anyone in game, Blizzard does not need any reason whatsoever to ban all your accounts. There are tons and tons of stories of people who got banned for the strangest of reasons, and many never are able to get Blizzard to unban. Making it so obvious as to spy with two sets of multiboxers seems a pretty foolish move.
Sam, can you even grasp that EVE and Warcraft aren't the same. They are owned by two different companies that set their own terms of service.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192923#p ost192923
In EVE they might like it that people can spy on others, and figure it as cyberpunk industrial espionage.
Blizzard want their Battlegrounds to be fair. Ideally X characters against X characters. On pvp servers you can't create a horde character and an alliance character on the same account. You cannot whisper the opposite faction. This pretty much lets you know they don't want cross faction communication. Multiboxers cloud this issue, as they can have multiple accounts on either faction.
This has probably gone on for a long time (especially on pve servers where you can have characters on both factions). It's probably been done on a low level, with
troop movement reports, or letting them know you are the only one defending the flag, come and get it. Probably a slight advantage at best.
However a 36 boxer doing this and being pretty blatant about it, taking over vital defense resources with the intention of swinging the outcome is something Blizzard will need to do something about. Probably not a perma ban - This time.
Sam - you are generally lacking in knowledge when it comes to wow, so I'm not surprised that you aren't as up to date on cheating techniques as Fur.
(Knowing about cheating methods doesn't make you a cheat, as I'm sure your statement was meant to imply).
In EVE you are allowed to scam the other players, it's considered part of the whole PVP process. What the guy did in EVE is 100% legal by the game rules. EVE has terrible game rules and awful customer service. The people who play it either like it that way or put up with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=192919#p ost192919
EVE IS NOT WoW!
Also I'd be surprised if Prepared is doing this as opposed another 36 boxer. From what I've seen Prepared acts sensibly and this is definitely a stupid thing to do. The sort of thing someone who knows very little about the game would do... Please don't make allegations unless you are sure, 36 boxing is not an elite 2 man club, anybody with time and money can do it.
So you basically agree with me...Quote:
However a 36 boxer doing this and being pretty blatant about it, taking over vital defense resources with the intention of swinging the outcome is something Blizzard will need to do something about. Probably not a perma ban - This time.
Ya EvE is a different game and different companies, what about EQ then, on SZ people had characters in different guilds on different sides. I just don't think that what he did is clear enough that he should be banned for it. Loja talked to me all the time on some horde toon he made, I didn't think it was a big deal. Really I dont understand why they dont allow the factions to talk to each other.
Another, unknown, 36 boxer on the same server as Prepared ... ummm no.
On the other hand I am a bit more interested in what the possible ligit reason there is to make an account not in your own name?
Sam you will have to find it yourself but win trading is bannable, And people were kicked out of last years arena tournament because of it
As usual sam, you ignore the vast majority of a post and try and pick one small detail that proves you right.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193036#p ost193036
To state it plainy - I don't agree with you. I said what i thought blizzard will do, not what I personally think. I think a ban is in order.
Firstly if the accounts aren't all in the same name then that's against ToS, which should be an insta ban.
Secondly he was making it impossible for others to compete evenly for his own benefit.
Who cares why he set up accounts in other names - let's face it, your only interest in this one detail is so you can define yourself a winner in some way that nobody else will agree with - well unless it's "the one player with the most WoW accounts in their own name as far as we know of". Congratulations.
EQ is another company. *sigh*. Yet again you seem confused. Just listing another MMORPG doesn't change anything.
Unique companies, unique terms of service that you agree to when you play them. They don't all have the same rules. Some companies actually don't allow multiboxing *gasp*.
Ultimately, Blizzard can do what they want to with this.
Grr now you have made him think he is right again :PQuote:
Originally Posted by 'shaeman',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193045#post 193045
[quote='Gadzooks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=1928 88#post192888]There are'nt too many 36 boxers, and whoever is doing this needs to knock it off.
[url]http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137186051&sid=1[/url]
This is the kind of stuff we need to avoid, it's the kind of thing that can be used to shut us down.[/quote]
It's very interesting how you see something such as this and believe that the person doing the accusing is telling the truth. Throughout this entire message thread most of you have written believing what was posted in that message thread as the truth. It was a lie! Is it true I have Alliance and Horde? Maybe, but that's not against the rules. Is it true that I got onto a vehicle on any Alliance characters in Wintergrasp on any realm whatsoever? No, I've never done it. The person that posted the lie told others that I had done that and those others also believed it and posted lies in addition to the original poster. I play 10 level 80 Horde characters in Wintergrasp and give it 100%. I have no time at all to get onto a vehicle to stop the Alliance from using them. Hell, I never even thought about that let alone did it. I've posted several messages in the Aegwynn forums about the accusations made against me. I would have posted in the Customer Support forum but it was locked.
Since the subject has come up again about my account names, I'll state it again for everyone to see. My accounts have different names on them as the owner. I created them that way. Is there a problem? None whatsoever as long as I am secure in the account information. I have all secret questions/answers, blizzard authenticator attached and all keys used in all of the expansions and the original game because I bought them from the store or online at the Blizzard web site. Different names on accounts does not mean you are sharing accounts. Sharing of accounts is against the Terms of Service of the game and there are ways of determining if that is happening such as tracing TCP/IP addresses, etc.
Having separate accounts with characters on both Alliance and Horde on a PvP realm is not against any rules of World of Warcraft. However doing certain actions such as getting on vehicles and not moving I would think would get a player a warning. Have I received such a warning? No, I have not. But I did get in conversation with a GM in the game about it. And the reason was because so many players believed the liar that posted the offense that they put in a lot of reports. Even the GMs appeared to have believed it because they posted in a blue comment that they would look into the matter and take appropriate action, etc. When I spoke with the GM in the game he told me that I would not receive a warning on any of my accounts but that I have a high profile and there were many reports (because of the original liar that dreamed this up).
On Aegwynn, Horde owns Wintergrasp about 80% of the time. Primarily because I understand the battle and give directions prior the start of the battle in the raid and in Horde trade chat about what players need to do. It works most of the time and I will post the strategy here for anyone that needs the information. The thing is, some players already know it, but they don't let other players know it prior to the start of the battle. That's why the Alliance loses, they don't tell the players what to do at the start of the battle. You have new players, you have players that want to play on their own, etc, but if you have a strategy which all players believe will win the battle and they are working towards that strategy, you are more than likely going to win the battle. This is the reason the Alliance players on Aegwynn came up with the lie. They kept losing in Wintergrasp and I kept blowing them away with 10 level 80s with PvP gear most of the time. Some of the times they would get the best of me, but I would read based on what is happening (walls broken down or a workshop owned, etc) as to where they were headed. Having a character on the opposite side only allows you to see where the other side is if you are in their raid. I don't have that luxury because they know my character names. So they came up with this lie and like you and others that have read the post believed it. Now I have taken a lot of my time in explaining the entire situation simply because one player decided to post a lie in the customer support forums.
I will state it again for everyone to be clear on this: I have never gotten onto any vehicle in Wintergrasp on any Alliance character. I have not received any warning from any GMs.
By the way, the same person, Frostkitten, which posted a discussion in the Customer Support forums a number of months ago about limiting the number of characters a player can multibox was involved with this lie as well. This is the message thread that I posted to [url='http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137526332&sid=1&pageNo=1']http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=16137526332&sid=1&pageNo=1[/url]
The truth is that recently I have ganked Frostkitten and members of his guild about 50 times in the last few days. The funny thing is that I didn't go after him, he came at me and even used exploits to get to me such as flying into the Wintergrasp fort after a battle with his guild mates only to get WTFPWNED by me and others in the area.
[quote='Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193036#p ost193036]Quote:
However a 36 boxer doing this and being pretty blatant about it, taking over vital defense resources with the intention of swinging the outcome is something Blizzard will need to do something about. Probably not a perma ban - This time.
Good question. The reason is so that if an accident in typing into trade chat or other chat channel occurs which got sent by all characters intead of one character that was intended to be sent from, and someone submits a spam report, there won't be any further investigation by a GM into it if the accounts have different names. That's the first thing they check.Quote:
On the other hand I am a bit more interested in what the possible ligit reason there is to make an account not in your own name?
I don't want to block sending the slash character / to my clients so I am careful to make sure PAUSE is on before typing into trade. However, sometimes I type fast or think that PAUSE is on but it's really not and may accidentally send chat text from all characters.
Prepared I apologise.
I should have said that if this person is doing what he is accused of he should be banned.
There was an assumption of guilt on my part, based on a one sided account from someone I don't know personally.
I should remember to get both sides of a story before making any judgement whatsoever.
http://us.blizzard.com/support/artic...rticleId=20460
"Limitations placed on Account Access
The ToU speaks extensively about what you may and may not do with a World of Warcraft account. This section highlights a few passages from the ToU that are most relevant to this policy. The core message is that you, and only you (with the exception of a minor authorized to use an account by a parent or guardian), should be accessing an account registered in your name."
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html
"Establishing an Account.
Prior to (or in lieu of) creating a user account on the Service (a "WoW Account"), or using an existing WoW Account, you may be required to establish a separate account (a "Blizzard Account") on Blizzard’s centralized account system. When creating these accounts, you may be required to provide Blizzard with certain personal information, financial information and an unused Authentication Key provided to you by Blizzard. You agree that you will supply accurate information to Blizzard when requested, and that you will update that information promptly after it changes."
I suspect between 10 and 36 people typing the exact same thing at the exact same time in trade might still be looked into :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Prepared',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193048#pos t193048
This is a great example of the mob mentality in WoW, and one of the other reasons I stopped reading the WoW boards a loooong time ago. :S
wow, after reading those posts in the wow forums, I never would have thought I would ever say this but ....even I hope this guy gets all of his accounts banned ... all 40+ of them.
The only thing I've gotten out of this thread is that I really hope if CS bans prepared they ban Sam by association just for having 30+ accounts.
Unless any of those different names are real people and actually once paid for any of the accounts and have an ip tag to it. Otherwise, you are fine if you just made a name up i.e. Preparedis anidiot and you are the only ever person to pay for said accounts and logged from same IP address as your other accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Prepared',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193047#pos t193047
I got hacked about a year ago and blizzard makes you fax in a copy of your driver lisc. to prove you are the owner of the account. Wonder how that would work.
I'm not doubting your claim Fur, but most of us are not in your position to hear such things. Were these claims made by an eyewitness? Another multiboxer perhaps? If this is the case, then Prepared should burn.
We all have put too much time and effort into this hobby only to have another of our ilk come along and fuck it up for everyone. Yes, I'm pissed, but I'm also wanting to know out the truth. This affects us all.
This is supposed to be fun and maybe it's the old dude in me talking but what's the point of cheating if you're playing a game? I'll never understand it.
Defending win-trading as a grey area boggles my mind. That's one of the oldest no-nos. Two big guilds got banned on Durotan for camping in AV for 12-14 hours a day. They would farm each other for 100k honor and literally conquer no objectives. Just sit around on vent and chat.
The Black Hand realm forums have had a trend over the past 4 years that "Band of the Black Hand" is run by an incompetent selfish prick who can't organize a guild let alone a raid... I can show you literally hundreds of posts badmouthing me.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193121#po st193121
At the same time I've been leading a guild in WoW since day 0 of retail, we have raided MC, BWL, ZG, AQ20/40, Naxx 40, SSC, TK, Mount Hyjal, BT, Naxx 10/25, EOE10/25, VOA 10/25, world bosses, etc... We have fluxuated between 100+ active members and as few as 30 active members... at any time you can ask around and you will find people who both love and respect me, some who admit I run a tight raid but a social guild, and others who downright hate me because I've called them out for some reason or another.
I can only imagine that there are people who hold Prepared as the most loathsome player on their server, and will construe any negavite actions that could remotely be blamed on him, on him. The mans been a quiet member of the community here for some time and says he's not doing that which he's accused of... I for one will give him the benefit of the doubt. If he is doing it I have no fear that Blizzard will swiftly handle it, and handle it in such a fashion that it doesn't happen again from that account holder.