Keyclone...HKN...AutoHotKey?

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04-06-2009, 04:58 PM
Frostii

Keyclone...HKN...AutoHotKey?

I've recently started playing WoW again, after quitting last year. I decided to level a Shaman and Druid at the same time, as those were the two 70s I had.

The extant of my "dualboxing" has been aggroing a lot with the Druid, healing it and dropping a nova totem or two while the druid swipes things to death. With me alt tabbing back and forth.

I got them to 40, and I'd like to give actual multiboxing a shot. Druid is moonkin now, shaman is ele. Have the macros set up for the most part I believe, I just need a key stroke program. I'm not trying to pay 20$ so keyclone isn't really an option, and I have no idea how to set up the other two.

Just need some help with the scripts...

Shaman heals and totems are on the numpad, Druid offensive spells are Ctrl+various letters, Lightning bolt are the same Ctrl+various letters as all the druid spells.

Ill actually play the druid, and spam bolt/heal with shaman. I just have no idea how to make the scripts :(
04-06-2009, 05:00 PM
Enndo

I tried the other 2 but couldn't seem to get the scripting right, I use octopus now, it takes 5 mins to setup, very simple, no scripts, and its free.

-Edit: Honestly though once I build my new rig I'll be buying keyclone as it's the easiest to use, start it and go! lol
04-08-2009, 10:10 AM
wolpak

HotKeyNet is pretty simple...did you read the instructions?

http://hotkeynet.com/p/doc.html

There is a good explanation stickied, but here are some basics. The goal is to test each thing as you put them in place.

First I label my windows:

<Label MAIN local SendWinM Wow1>
<Label ALT local SendWinM Wow2>

So, your Window that you renamed Wow1 has been Labeled MAIN and the other ALT (only to be used inside the script).

Create a HotKey:

<Hotkey Spacebar>
<SendLabel MAIN>
<Key Spacebar>
<SendLabel ALT>
<Key Spacebar>

That will make everyone jump.

So, if you fire up HotKeyNet, open a notepad doc, and past this in there:

Code:

<Label MAIN local SendWinM Wow1> <Label ALT local SendWinM Wow2> <Hotkey Spacebar> <SendLabel MAIN> <Key Spacebar> <SendLabel ALT> <Key Spacebar>

Then rename your windows to Wow1 and Wow2 and load the scripts and turn it on, your spacebar will make everyone jump. HUZZAH!!!
04-08-2009, 10:32 AM
Freddie

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'wolpak',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193483#post1 93483

The goal is to test each thing as you put them in place.

That's really good advice, not just about HotkeyNet but every kind of programming.

Pretty often, people send me a 300-line script that they wrote before trying it, and ask why it doesn't work. Did they expect to create something that complicated in one fell swoop and have it turn out correctly? Or did they think it would be easy to find their errors in something that big?

People should start with a tiny script like you did -- only seven lines. Get it working. Add a few more lines. Get that working. Etc.

Programmers have a fancy name for this -- incremental development -- but it's really just common sense.
04-08-2009, 11:08 AM
KamakazeeKevin

I would suggest using HKN. At first the script seems really complicated to figure out but after reading the forums and set up instructions it is very easy to use. And for a free program you get an amazing level of support from Freddie.
04-08-2009, 11:13 AM
wolpak

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Freddie',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193488#post 193488

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'wolpak',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193483#post1 93483

The goal is to test each thing as you put them in place.

That's really good advice, not just about HotkeyNet but every kind of programming.

Pretty often, people send me a 300-line script that they wrote before trying it, and ask why it doesn't work. Did they expect to create something that complicated in one fell swoop and have it turn out correctly? Or did they think it would be easy to find their errors in something that big?

People should start with a tiny script like you did -- only seven lines. Get it working. Add a few more lines. Get that working. Etc.

Programmers have a fancy name for this -- incremental development -- but it's really just common sense.

I used to do development work, so I am familiar with it. The biggest issue is taking over someone else code. My favorite was always...

<code>
Printout "You are HERE 11111111"
<code>
Printout "You are HERE 22222222"
<code>
Printout "Your mama sucks 3333333"

And I'd always forget to remove the your mama sucks line. Oh well.
04-08-2009, 11:37 AM
Svpernova09

Keyclone is the easiest out of box solution, and over time, cheapest paid solution.
04-08-2009, 01:41 PM
Moorea

I'm using HKN and also have a paid license of keyclone - while I now tend to prefer HKN, mostly because lack of updates in Keyclone and better mouse broadcast and flexibility in HKN; remember that HKN is free as in "here is your first drug fix, free" - though it's not documented clearly anywhere on the website (I have gripes about that) Freddie stated it won't be free forever.
04-08-2009, 02:01 PM
Freddie

Moorea I thought about this quite a bit since we last talked about it. I should have gotten back to you about it in the other thread. Here's the actual situation:

-- The program has been in free public beta for about 14 months.

-- It will remain free for at least another 18 months. [Edit: This seems pretty certain right now but I can't absolutely promise that this won't change.]

-- It may remain free even longer than that.

-- It may remain free forever.

Under these circumstances, it seems to me that "free multiboxing software" is an acceptable short description. It doesn't say "free forever," and everyone knows that things change.
04-09-2009, 01:18 AM
Moorea

I know things change, there is nothing permanent - for all we know from what you say HKN may be free longer than we'll play WoW which is awesome - I wish there was a good key broadcasting software that wasn't at the mercy of either you or keyclone getting into trouble (recession and all) and having the phone in servers going offline.

I'd prefer an open source with donation model (I paid for my Jamba and be glad to donate to HKN like I paid Keyclone but I'm not 100% comfortable with the "could stop working any day" model) but hey, until there is such solution... I love HKN :-) Thanks for it and you're free to use the model that works for you; it's your work.
04-09-2009, 04:06 AM
keyclone

yup... "could stop working any day".. 3 years and running for keyclone... 11 years for Solid ICE.

as for the donation model... hahahaha

try that at work tomorrow. tell your boss that you don't wish to 'demand' a payment, as you could stop working any day now... and instead, he should pay you what he feels is fair.

sure, the first week you may get something close to what you normally get... but when you don't complain about the reduction in payment (not allowed to complain about a lack of donations after all)... the second week you would get 1/10th your salary. by the third week, you'd get nothing.

even though you are getting NOTHING.. you MUST continue doing your work... for YEARS.

socialism and communism works great... when other people are paying the bills.
04-09-2009, 06:01 AM
Moorea

Keyclone, seems like your politics is clouding your argumentation - but let's go over it:

Ever heard of "past performance is no guarantee of future results" - Most business before they close, have been running fine for years... that doesn't mean they don't have accidents...

I'm not saying you should do it any other way than what you wish (as I said "you're free to use the model that works for you; it's your work.") but please don't try to ridicule other possible models; *my* *money* would rather go to a software that doesn't phone home each time to continue to work.

Your analogy with work would be that the day your employer decides to fire you or you quit or die; all the software you ever wrote and he paid for stops working.

(and yes wow is like that, a subscription model; I just don't want another subscription fee and I think the chance of blizzard closing shop are a bit slimmer than Solid ICE's or Freddie's)
04-09-2009, 06:30 AM
Freddie

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Moorea',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193849#post1 93849

I'd prefer an open source with donation model (I paid for my Jamba and be glad to donate to HKN like I paid Keyclone but I'm not 100% comfortable with the "could stop working any day" model) but hey, until there is such solution... I love HKN :-)

Thanks for the kind words. If you want an open source project, maybe you should start one. :)
04-09-2009, 05:21 PM
keyclone

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Moorea',index.php?page=Thread&postID=193996#post1 93996

"past performance is no guarantee of future results"

so when you ask your boss for a raise stating you had done a great job over the last year... and he says you're past performance means jack, and that you're looking tired and a bit grouchy... don't complain if he decreases your pay or changes your pay model to donations of his choosing, when he chooses. of course, he could also point out that he has already paid you for your work and he now expects you to continue doing the same job for the next 10 years for nothing.

and if you are concerned Freddie or I could disappear... you could always hit our donation buttons weekly to insure we stay around.
:D