Is it the game or the boxing?

So I'm noticing a lot of boxers seem to be heading away from wow to other games they've played before or want to try. I think it's interesting that we tend to be boxers first, and wow players second. Since I started boxing on wow, this is a reversal to me. so for those of you that have recently left wow or reduced your play time I have a question. Did switch to your current game because you wanted a game otehr than wow to box, or because you wanted to play that game and you just happen to be a boxer?

As an aside, do you think non boxers are leaving wow too, or is it something that boxers are more affected by that is causing the exodus?

- Souca -

I never played a single MMO before WoW. I box because it makes wow more fun. Not sure if I'd ever get into another game just to box it. I'd probably just solo play it until I come across a situation where boxing would be beneficial to me.

i didnt even realise people were leaving wow (i didnt even think it was humanly possible). ive tried multiple other games and honestly i dont think theres anything out there for me that even compares. i just like the graphics engine and the interface is so well designed (the menus and stuff, i require a bar mod) that all the other games look amatuer in comparison. i just think the cartoony style is where its at. all the other games ive checked out have tried so hard to have "good" graphics that everything looks totally plastic and bogus. too answer your question though, i like david would not leave wow simply to box another game. it would be something that came along well after my switch.

Personally I boxed before Wow came out. When I started up Wow I only singled it because I didn't have the hardware to box it and I didn't know of any software solutions. Now it seems that boxing Northrend content requires a large twitch factor that I don't have. I remember eq having much longer fights and less gimicky. I am hoping that eq2 isn't that slow but also doesn't require extreme twitch. Being pve only helps alot too. No accidental pvp while aoe'ing, hehe.

Work keeps me from raiding on a regular schedule. If you can't raid in wow and you don't pvp what is left? To be fair I haven't played enough eq2 to make a judgement on it but there appears to be a ton of group content to work on. So we will see how it works out.

I am equally a Boxer and a Gamer. WoW does not get it's own catagory, heh. Unfortunatly, the vast majority of MMOs out there all fall under "must have at least this many people to do X, Y, Z" with X-Z being anything past level 40. Being anti-social/painfully shy and living a 3rd shift life does not fit well with that style of gameplay, so multi-boxing is as much a part of gaming to me as wasd movement is to other people. If I can't box it, I can't play it. It may be fun while the new factor is still there, but once you get to the point where you need other people to progress, I want to be my own "other people".

I left WoW {again} because it was no longer a fun game {again}. I only stayed as long as I did because I got into boxing. If I'd gotten into boxing earlier, I probably never would have come back to WoW. Personally, I couldn't tell you who's leaving. I was a foot out the door about 3 months before Wrath even went live. My husband and I didn't like the changes that were being made and saw things coming back to the same point they were at when we left in Vanilla WoW. Raiders on top, PVP right below, small groups and solo way at the bottom. It might have been a slightly different story if raiding in general felt epic, but it doesn't, it feels gimmicky, and at a 10-man level, that is nothing more than a 5-man dungeon with the annoyance level turned up. So I wouldn't be surprised if it's just that boxers see it faster than other players because they, like larger guilds, have easier and more frequent access to what's in game. The "New" factor wears off faster.

I'll play EQ2 until I find something else, just like I played AC until I found something else and WoW until I found something else. I like to play games, I enjoy playing games, I'm rabid about playing games. I just don't get rabid about titles. There was gaming before WoW and there's gaming after WoW. There was even gaming during WoW ;)

Probably the fact that the game has been around long enough to get stale for even the most diehard fans.

Mainly I'm a gamer,
Played most worthwile games which released in the passed 15 years.
Started WoW in singlebox but was interested in boxing the first time I saw it,
Booted up a 5-box last year, played it till december and halted it because my main warrior wanted to be competitive in PvE raiding.
Reactivated one of my accounts last weekend, but I doubt I'll pay after the 10 day trial.

I'm just a gamer, but ever since I boxed i'm thinking about possibilities to box in other games.
Started a trial account in EvE late last night with the intention to upgrade it,
I tried 3 seperate trials before, but WoW consumed so much time back then that I didn't think it would be worth the money.
Considering boxing it with 2-3 accounts, but since I never really looked deep into it's space I think it's better to first play around a bit solo.

I'm a play-whatever-is-fun kind of gamer.
But, I'm also VERY limited on my game time with 2 kids.

I played EQ single box, CoH/CoV single, WoW both single and 5-boxed and now EQ2 6-boxing.
But the problem I was running into on WoW was that if I wanted to do anything or progress further/different in the game, I had to PvP or Raid.
I suck at PvP, and have never liked it.
I enjoyed Raids back in my EQ days, but now that I have kids, I just don't have the time.
I was logged into EQ2 last night for around 3 hours...but I'm sure I was only at the keys for about an hour total. :P

Edit - OH, I have yet to run across someone I wanted to reach through the screen and strangle in EQ2. EVERYONE has been nice and friendly.
WoW's general community really sucks compared to EQ2's. But, that being said, the level 1-9 chat channel does remind me of Barrens chat every once in a while.

I wanted to clarify part of my statement. I do/have raided in Wrath but only on a single character, my priest. I am in a late night raiding guild but with rotating shifts I can only seriously raid one weekend a month. I don't even have kids/wife to bother with so I can sleep when I want and play when I want. After healing so many instances and seeing how gimicky nearly every fight is, I throw up my hands in surrender. There is no way I have the patience to box all of those encounters.

I am going to gather all my gold (about 60k) and resources then pass them out to my in game good friends and completely hang up wow. It has been fun, real fun. Now on to something else.

Pretty much like to stick to multiboxing anything I touch now, if I want to do a single player I go to my consoles :P

I have really never played solo since my wife plays also. We played EQ together even when I box on EQ she still played along with me non-boxing. Even with wow, I can run a heroic with my team or sometimes she brings one of her alts along and I swap a shaman out for her. I also get the benefit of her being in a rading guild so I can bring one of my characters along if they are short or lacking players that night. In PVP tho I am on my own ;p .... :D she hates pvp.

[quote='aNiMaL',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191179 #post191179]Started a trial account in EvE late last night with the intention to upgrade it,
I tried 3 seperate trials before, but WoW consumed so much time back then that I didn't think it would be worth the money.
Considering boxing it with 2-3 accounts, but since I never really looked deep into it's space I think it's better to first play around a bit solo. [/quote]Eve can be a good game. Playing solo is definitely the way to go in the beginning since there is more of a learning wall than a curve. You should still say hi on [url='http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=20399']this thread[/url] though, since I'm sure myself or any of the other Eve boxers would be willing to help you out.

As for me, I can have a short attention span at times, but I usually have big goals. Before I started boxing in WoW I was always reliant on other people to accomplish things. It was a paradox at times; I want the social contact, but I dislike having my gameplay dependent on others. I guess I'm a social loner ;) Boxing solved a lot of those problems. Boxing changed how I look at online games and how I approach progression or other problems in games.

While I can't say I've played all the MMOs out there, I can say that I own a lot of collector's editions of games I've played for a month or less. For a long time WoW was the most interesting. Lately the fun just isn't there. I started looking for somethign else to play, with the idea of boxing, since I'm a gamer and I'd rather play games than watch TV. Darkfall seemed worth trying, but I didn't have the patience to actually try and get a copy for the 5 minutes a day they sell it. For some reason I never had interest in EQ. I had played Eve off and on since launch. I likely have the worst skillpoint to player age ratio in the game. Not sure what put it in my mind, but I decided to go back to it, and to prospect of boxing made some of the more annoying issues a moot point.

I like reading everyone elses responses. I find it facisnating what people like and don't like about games and boxing. It's good stuff.

- Souca -

I started EQ, 1 boxing; left EQ 5 boxing, via 5 computers, 5 keyboards and 5 mice.

Started wow with two computers and two accounts, no software/hardware.
Basically got to the point where wow was boring and I was contemplating quitting.
Progressed to three accounts and keyclone, and then two more within a few days.
Still quit for 5 or 6 weeks shortly after WotLK came out.
I've met a friend from EQ who happens to play on my wow server, that's pretty much the only thing keeping me in the game these days.

I've never been a huge fan of WoW; in fact, I initially started playing it at launch because my brother bought me a copy. (I had purchased myself a copy of EQ2 right before this, and even though I liked the game, I had no one to play it with, and didn't want to have to start forming new relationships.) At the time, I was still playing SWG, which I ended up playing alongside WoW since I didn't want to quit. When SWG was obliterated by SOE (April of '05), I quickly made the transition to playing only WoW since my SWG guild and practically every other friend I had was now playing it (WoW).

What does this have to do with multi-boxing? Simple: I ended up multi-boxing in WoW not because I loved the game as so many other people seem to, but because practically everyone I knew was playing it.

One day in '06 I accidentally booted up a second client, and I was shocked to see that it actually ran. After alt-tabbing between the windows, I learned that it could be advantageous if I learned to maximize my proficiency with this new technique that I had acquired. So I bought a second copy of the game and rolled two new characters together -- a mage and a paladin. When someone in-game said, "Oh, you're two-boxing!" I responded with, "So that's what it's called?" I didn't use any intricate macros; I didn't use any key-repeating software -- I did it the hard way. I enjoyed the challenge, however, and so, at least for a little while, WoW was actually fun to play.

Once I was decent enough to actually bring my second character along in instances, I started to wonder if I could dual-box in any other games. I remembered how enjoyable my experience was when trying EQ2 at launch, so I decided that if I could play two characters in EQ2, maybe I wouldn't have to worry about bringing a friend along. I rolled a berserker and a templar so that I would be the cornerstone of any group and wouldn't have to spend a lot of time begging people to run dungeons with me. It would have worked out if not for the fact that my computer sucked and I was getting an average of 4 FPS. In the end, I accepted that it would be impossible to multi-box EQ2 until I replaced my computer.

By the time I actually did upgrade to a new computer, I felt that I had invested far too much into WoW both time-wise and socially. I didn't want to leave behind all of the characters I had acculmulated over the years. This continued until November of last year when I finally managed to convince my best friend to dual-box while I triple-boxed. At first it was a bit difficult to figure out how to set up all of the software and macros that were necessary. (Two-boxing and three-boxing, I discovered, were drastically different from each other.) Everything worked out flawlessly -- he actually enjoyed it and we managed to complete more content than either of us ever thought we could manage.

I don't need place emphasis on the fact that WoW's paltry system requirements make it incredibly easy to run five instances of WoW on the same computer -- and I only needed three, so I was in good shape. But I recenlty upgraded my computer hardware again, and since WoW is going in a direction that I'm unhappy with, I took this opportunity to finally leave so that I could play a game I truly enjoy rather than playing something just because my friends do, and I have no regrets about leaving. Yeah, there were some hard feelings, but I convinced my best friend to again come with me so that we can multi-box together.

This time, I don't think I'll ever go back to WoW unless some major changes are implemented (the game feels like it did pre-TBC now, which renders five-boxing to be nearly useless as far as I'm concerned, and the acquisition of PvP gear through raiding, which is nothing new, I know, but it only serves to exacerbate my ever-increasing negativity towards the game), which could be never, and I'm really apathetic in any case, so it doesn't matter.

In conclusion, I'm not a huge fan of WoW, and now that I've acquired the ability move beyond just dual-boxing (I know that I could five/six-box now if I had to), I intend to play some of the other games that appeal to me as well. I just didn't have the processing power to do it before.

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So, to directly address your question in a concise manner, it's not WoW itself; rather, it's the enjoyment factor/the ability to multi-box a game that determines whether or not I'll play it. Meaning, I consider myself to be a gamer and not a WoW-player.

I originally "boxed" in FFXI, though this was before I started keybaord broadcasting. I've only got to the point I have in WoW because nothing really strikes me as the same quality or caters to my polymath tendencies. Now that I've become largely proficcient at it, I find myself in an interesting situation of intolerance of others and responsibility mongering.

My intolerance of others arises from the fact that I can play most classes better than 90% of the population of that class. I can't quite hit that best-of-the-best plateau, but I'm damn near close to it. This ends up being somewhat of a problem when I look at other people playing the same class, and I see them just mangle the class, dropping the ball, and performing poorly. It annoys me that I put so much effort in to what I do to be the best I can be, and others just seem to skim by.

My responsibility mongering is two fold: if I screw up and wipe the group, that's on me, and I hate the fact that others get punished for my incompetence. On the other hand, I hate when scrubs leech their way through content, and then act like content got cleared because THEY were there. I'm much more comfortable knowing I succeeded or failed on my own merits.

Of course, what this ultimately means is that I don't play nice with others.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191572#po st191572

Interesting that this is becoming an Anti-WoW thread - and most of the reasons point to the fact that you're playing a MMO "solo" - having the same burn-out issues that solo players have.

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I don't understand why that would surprise you. After all, the original poster did ask the following:

"so for those of you that have recently left wow or reduced your play time I have a question. Did switch to your current game because you wanted a game otehr than wow to box, or because you wanted to play that game and you just happen to be a boxer?"

Reasons for leaving a game, as evidenced by this thread, are highly subjective and vary from individual to individual. Asking people for the reason(s) they leave is bound to elicit some form of negativity towards the game they left, especially since some of us left for none of the reasons described by the original poster and wanted to point that out. I played WoW for nearly four years, which was long enough for me, personally, although I have friends who will probably play the game until the servers shut down. To each his/her own.

I, personally, did not play solo, but always had at least one person whom I was playing with, which was the way I liked it. I could never play an MMO completely alone. I preferred multi-boxing to the traditional group-setting due to the challenge it offered, but my raiding days are long over due to the fact that I just grew tired of having to make a commitment to a guild, and it wasn't fair to them to keep finding excuses for not wanting to show up on a raid night. On the other hand, I'm not willing to ten-box, so where does that leave someone such as myself? You guessed it, and, as a result, I made the right decision.

Believe it or not, I don't hate WoW. It's a polished game that many people find to be appealing; however, it's not my cup of tea, but I can thank the game for teaching me to multi-box. I don't know why people seem to think there's a mass exodus of people from WoW. I can't say that I've noticed a great deal of people suddenly leaving, but if they are, I think that it's only to be expected several months after the release of a new expansion since many people are at last clearing the end-game content and those with short attention spans will leave for a while. It was the same way after TBC was released.

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Also, no one can deny the fact that WotLK has taken a very different approach compared to its predecessor, and I suppose that some people just weren't aware of how drastic some of these modifications to core gameplay would be, particularly when it concerned group content. I know that I and many others I know were surprised by the picayune of 5-man content that was avaialble with the expansion. TBC, in contrast, offered a plethora of content for us. Why would anyone PAY for a product they are unhappy with?

As Morganti so eloquently put it last night... "Wow is like Herpes. You can leave and be WoW free, but in 2-3 months it will flare up again"

I'm actually a WoW player first, boxer second. I only box wow, only ever plan to box WoW, etc... I really want to play darkfall and SW:TOR but I have absolutely 0 plans to box either one.

The only reason I started boxing WoW was because I got bored with PvP and never had enough consecutive time to run instances with other players - 5 boxing let me experience the pve content with the least amount of time invested.

My slave accounts are expiring but I still plan on solo boxing for a bit. I also am getting back into CS:Source, TF2, and some other xbox 360 games I haven't played in awhile.

I left Wow, mainly due to being let down in the expansion, Lich was again more of the same as BC was, Kara was replaced with Naxx, but it was all basicly the same, another grind, even with 5xdruids it was limited entertainment for great amounts of effort and a huge time sink.

Eve's real time training, and essentially no end game is a huge draw for me, I box simply because I can. As in any MMO game a group of characters is often more powerful then a solo character, the same is true in Eve, weither you setup your group to run missions or to mine, it's incredibly handy having 3-5 accounts running at any one time.

"I box, because I can", this is very hard to deny, having met so many assclowns in Wow with pickup groups and having idiots ninja loot items, or just flat out partying with hunters that think every freaken item in game is made solely for them. This was a great excuse to buy a few extra accounts and learn to become a multiboxer, I've been boxing since I first started playing FFXI online, it didn't take long to figure out how fast you could level if you had a perm healer standing behind your tank all the time healing you....hence began my boxing career, being limited only at first by the number of computers in my house..and then much later that limitation was taken away as software became avaliable to let us run multiple copies of our games all on the same machine and macro between them to command our boxing alts.

Eve is very much a boxable game, allowing you to accomplish so much with just some decent planning and a few accounts. Especially in regards to mining, as a solo player I used to sneak into 0.0 or 0.3 areas and try and mine up those juicy roids that were worth small fortunes, only to be quickly discoverd and podded by some ruthless pirate. Now using 5 accounts, I can freely move into those same 0.0 to 0.3 zones and feel safe and secure....I like to pretend to be a macro farmer and let the pirates get right ontop of me now, before I activate my battleship and blow them into next week.

I think most boxers probably box for the same reasons....we want freedom, we want to do things at our own pace, and not be held down..ie: the frequent "guys i gotta go its dinner time" type messages you'd always hear in Wow just as you started that heroic dungeon after waiting an hour for everyone to fly there or what have you. I love the fact that boxing allows me to accomplish so much at once, and when I've had enough my alt's never bitch when I decide its time to log off and do something else.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191572#po st191572

Interesting that this is becoming an Anti-WoW thread - and most of the reasons point to the fact that you're playing a MMO "solo" - having the same burn-out issues that solo players have.

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Solo players and small group players make up a pretty big population in any MMO. If solo content and small group content can get a burnout factor this soon into an expansion, I have to say there's something wrong with gamedesign.

Personally, I wasn't solo. I always had my husband to play with. Our guild had several other people {RL friends} in it that played as much as we did, several of them also multi-boxing on a smaller scale. We had enough people to raid, but no ambition to bother. We grouped up with various guildmates to do heroics and such, but no one was interested after the first time or two. They were all sick of "more of the same" and you can only put out so much effort trying to get people excited about something they have no interest in.

I'm not anti-WoW, I'm sure I'll play it again some day.

WoW was getting too hard to be productive with my available playtime.
I haven't been in EQ2 long enough to know how long it will last, but so far it works great for me.

There is almost always a spot I can run over too quickly and AFK for the kids (this may change as I gain levels..).
And, I can play for 30 minutes to 2 hours and feel like I did something or advanced in some way.

But, I'm also enjoying learning how to box the game and how to set up all the macros.

EQ1 was my first mmorpg, and it still has the best memories, and I was in a great guild with great people (Povar Taru Alliance :thumbsup: ). I liked that world, and I like the EQ2 world so far.
Lots of neat things to see, and I keep finding new things even after running my alt-armies through the same zones over and over...and over.. etc. :P

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Originally Posted by 'Kaelika',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191523#post 191523

I've never been a huge fan of WoW; in fact, I initially started playing it at launch because my brother bought me a copy. (I had purchased myself a copy of EQ2 right before this, and even though I liked the game, I had no one to play it with, and didn't want to have to start forming new relationships.) At the time, I was still playing SWG, which I ended up playing alongside WoW since I didn't want to quit. When SWG was obliterated by SOE (April of '05), I quickly made the transition to playing only WoW since my SWG guild and practically every other friend I had was now playing it (WoW).

What does this have to do with multi-boxing? Simple: I ended up multi-boxing in WoW not because I loved the game as so many other people seem to, but because practically everyone I knew was playing it.

One day in '06 I accidentally booted up a second client, and I was shocked to see that it actually ran. After alt-tabbing between the windows, I learned that it could be advantageous if I learned to maximize my proficiency with this new technique that I had acquired. So I bought a second copy of the game and rolled two new characters together -- a mage and a paladin. When someone in-game said, "Oh, you're two-boxing!" I responded with, "So that's what it's called?" I didn't use any intricate macros; I didn't use any key-repeating software -- I did it the hard way. I enjoyed the challenge, however, and so, at least for a little while, WoW was actually fun to play.

Once I was decent enough to actually bring my second character along in instances, I started to wonder if I could dual-box in any other games. I remembered how enjoyable my experience was when trying EQ2 at launch, so I decided that if I could play two characters in EQ2, maybe I wouldn't have to worry about bringing a friend along. I rolled a berserker and a templar so that I would be the cornerstone of any group and wouldn't have to spend a lot of time begging people to run dungeons with me. It would have worked out if not for the fact that my computer sucked and I was getting an average of 4 FPS. In the end, I accepted that it would be impossible to multi-box EQ2 until I replaced my computer.

By the time I actually did upgrade to a new computer, I felt that I had invested far too much into WoW both time-wise and socially. I didn't want to leave behind all of the characters I had acculmulated over the years. This continued until November of last year when I finally managed to convince my best friend to dual-box while I triple-boxed. At first it was a bit difficult to figure out how to set up all of the software and macros that were necessary. (Two-boxing and three-boxing, I discovered, were drastically different from each other.) Everything worked out flawlessly -- he actually enjoyed it and we managed to complete more content than either of us ever thought we could manage.

I don't need place emphasis on the fact that WoW's paltry system requirements make it incredibly easy to run five instances of WoW on the same computer -- and I only needed three, so I was in good shape. But I recenlty upgraded my computer hardware again, and since WoW is going in a direction that I'm unhappy with, I took this opportunity to finally leave so that I could play a game I truly enjoy rather than playing something just because my friends do, and I have no regrets about leaving. Yeah, there were some hard feelings, but I convinced my best friend to again come with me so that we can multi-box together.

This time, I don't think I'll ever go back to WoW unless some major changes are implemented (the game feels like it did pre-TBC now, which renders five-boxing to be nearly useless as far as I'm concerned, and the acquisition of PvP gear through raiding, which is nothing new, I know, but it only serves to exacerbate my ever-increasing negativity towards the game), which could be never, and I'm really apathetic in any case, so it doesn't matter.

In conclusion, I'm not a huge fan of WoW, and now that I've acquired the ability move beyond just dual-boxing (I know that I could five/six-box now if I had to), I intend to play some of the other games that appeal to me as well. I just didn't have the processing power to do it before.

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So, to directly address your question in a concise manner, it's not WoW itself; rather, it's the enjoyment factor/the ability to multi-box a game that determines whether or not I'll play it. Meaning, I consider myself to be a gamer and not a WoW-player.

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Great Post ... id like to invite you over to landroval server on LOTRO try out a free trail account .. send me a tell Krispan is my main... pretty refreshing game i like it anyway ... i played solo for 20 months or so with some short breaks then added a another char a hunter ... i now like the game so much i went ahead and bought 4 more lifetime memberships to box 6 toons - my own group :) lifetime memberships means now monthly fees ever for as long as the game is live so ... i got the $199 rate with a referral

anywhoo I have invested $1200 in subscriptions and $300 ish on 6 copies one a CE .... plus added another 3 laptops to hardware box with .... heh as frugal as I am any game that can coax $ out of me is a good one heh

For anyone contemplating a LOTRO trial, don't do the Hobbit quests. I managed to logout and delete my Hobbit before I slit my wrists but it was close.

Interesting thread...

I box anything and everything that I can get my hands on. If I couldn't box wow, I'd probably quit. IMHO, the single player mode of any game runs its course rather quickly - you get to the max level, get gear, and then you're done. I invited a friend to try out WoW as a solo player, and within 60 days he was level 80 on his hunter, had two professions maxxed, Fishing and cooking maxxed, full t7 and was bored. Sure, the same thing may happen for a boxer (although it will take us longer to acquire full tier sets for each of our characters), but as our characters gain new items or spells, we can really see them grow as a unit. Boxing opens up a bunch of new opportunites (dungeons by yourself, great world-pvp, etc.), and allows you to help the general WoW population out - especially if you're on a pvp server (no one in world pvp really wants to mess with 5 guys that can focus fire). Prior to WoW, I boxed EverQuest manually (no software, with six computers, keyboards, etc.), I also 3-boxed GuildWars for a bit (although it got tricky trying to press keys on 3 characters at once, because the ingame combat was much faster than EverQuest). I like the challenges that boxing brings and the rewards that come to those who meet the challenges.

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Originally Posted by 'thinus',index.php?page=Thread&postID=195809#post1 95809

For anyone contemplating a LOTRO trial, don't do the Hobbit quests. I managed to logout and delete my Hobbit before I slit my wrists but it was close.

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heh i cant stand the hobbit starting area either ... but some amers really like it ... heh i cant even stand playing a hobbit whether i level in the shire early in game or not ... but shire leveling takes a certain persona that I just do not have heh

after level 14-15 all races get to bree and do same content though .... I play man chars becuase i like the man insta heal later in the game ...

MAN starter area - is all about fighting

Elf/Dwarf starting areas - a lot of fighting

Hobbit starting area ... a lot about pie and joy and happiness and drinking blah blah blah heh but the quests seriously are well written and fun just not much action for first 10-12 levels ... which really doesnt last long in scheme of things anyway

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Originally Posted by 'Ellay',index.php?page=Thread&postID=191303#post19 1303

Pretty much like to stick to multiboxing anything I touch now, if I want to do a single player I go to my consoles :P

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Nearly the only thing keeping me from multiboxing FFXI on a stack of PS2s is that I'm not sure how to distribute the signal. I think some of the 3rdP wireless controllers might do it a la the mouse trick...

Oh, and I have to find the OLD version PS2s. Well...used ones? :-/

So far I am really pleased with lich king. I will say that I am approaching it slightly different than vanilla wow or the BC expansion. First and formost I told myself that the content is finite. There are only so many quests, and so many dungeons to do before you run out of content. With that in mind ive decided to do every quest that I can. So far im half way through level 76 and clearing out the Dragonblight. I am very pleased with the lore. To me, they went all out with the story on this expansion.

Yes there are still the annoying collection quests, but this time they dont seem so bad. For example in BC they have you go play in piles of poop for beans (nagrand) that gives you a bunch of water breathing berries as a reward. There was no point to that quest period. Not even a standard old lady who has the sword of instant death but wont give it up till you find her cat.

A collection quest I did today in Dragonblight I needed 12 miner cards off of some undead miners that got ate by the scourge. It was a PITA and took over an hour killing mobs to get all 60 cards, but when I handed them in, the quest text was good. The commander guy talked about how their names would be put down and families notified and that unlocked a new set of quests. In short, there was a story and it advanced the story along. There was a reason for the quest, not just a quest for a quests sake. I really am enjoying the linear quest progression vs the quest hubs of old wow and bc where you just show up and theres 10 quests to get and you finish them as fast as you can and dont care. So far there really has not been any quests that dont have a good reason for them.

Anyway, Im likeing it much better than I have in the past. I think not raceing to 80 so I limit myself to the top 10% of the content and blow of the rest because its "low level" is working out nice. Like raceing to 60 and finding a reason to go to Blackfathom Deep. Im sure ill hit 80 sometime in Grizley Hills and I will still have Zul'D, Shol Basin, Crystalsong, Stormpeaks, and icecrown to see. Sure a lot of it will be low level content, but hey, I still need 25k for epiks!

I played Wow for a few years before I got into boxing. As some people have stated here, it was so I could see more content within my gametime (5 mans by myself).

To be fair I hadnt even seen everything in WOTLK when I deactivated my account, but i could see the writing on the wall. Nothing coming out with the 3.1 looked too exciting to me and they seemed to be nerfing the team I was trying to put together so I decided to hang it up. WoW is a great game and im sure ill pick it up again next expansion but im done for now.

So im a gamer first, and have only recently gotten into boxing. I can say though that boxing has made my MMO experiences 10x more fun. I really enjoy the team building / intellectual side of things, and am having a good time trying to figure out what im going to do in eve (for the record ive played eve on and off for the last 3 years, my character has 45m SP, but ive never boxed it).

I have been playing MMO's for many years. I think I have tried most of them at least for a while. I played EQ with people who boxed, but I never actually tried it until several months ago. I enjoy boxing, and will probably always have at least two characters in any MMO I play. It just removes a possible limiting factor in my progression or gives me a small edge. It's not that I want to race my way through a game, but I don't want to be prevented from progressing simply because I couldn't get someone to help me out.

I have not left WoW. I still enjoy playing it and still have yet to complete all the heroic dungeons. I am getting to the point where I might have to join a guild because I miss the social interaction.

I recently have been trying Vanguard since my brother is playing it regularly. They have a 14-day trial available, so I fired up 5 toons and went at it. I am thinking it might be hard to run that many toons. The macro system is not as evolved as WoW and their isn't the user base to create all those beautiful addons like Jamba or Multiboxer. Not to mention that fights are supposedly very reactive so you have to be ready to hit a spell or melee move. I also saw a 6-boxer on the trial island (Saybur are you on this board?? hehe).

WoW is truly an amazing game. Regardless, people will still get bored. I mean, people get bored of sex. Go figure.

Anyway, I think I will always be waiting for the next one.

Now ive seen it all on this board lol.

Telling a bunch of gamers that people get tired of sex is like telling poor people that people get tired of money.

=P

I agree though, its a good game, and the best of the fantasy genre out right now.

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WoW is truly an amazing game. Regardless, people will still get bored. I mean, people get bored of sex. Go figure.

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Originally Posted by 'Redbeard',index.php?page=Thread&postID=198131#pos t198131

Now ive seen it all on this board lol.

Telling a bunch of gamers that people get tired of sex is like telling poor people that people get tired of money.

=P

I agree though, its a good game, and the best of the fantasy genre out right now.

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WoW is truly an amazing game. Regardless, people will still get bored. I mean, people get bored of sex. Go figure.

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I got bored with sex once. Ok, maybe I was more repulsed and annoyed, but still...

Come to think of it, WoW was a lot like that relationship. Took all my time and money. The end game was an endless cycle of more of the same disguised as less of the the same. And I was a lot happier playing by myself. :whistling: :D

At least with WoW I got some fond memories and a better video card, heheh.

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Originally Posted by 'Khatovar',index.php?page=Thread&postID=198272#pos t198272

I got bored with sex once. Ok, maybe I was more repulsed and annoyed, but still...

Come to think of it, WoW was a lot like that relationship. Took all my time and money. The end game was an endless cycle of more of the same disguised as less of the the same. And I was a lot happier playing by myself. :whistling: :D

At least with WoW I got some fond memories and a better video card, heheh.

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Originally Posted by 'Redbeard',index.php?page=Thread&postID=198131#pos t198131

Now ive seen it all on this board lol.

Telling a bunch of gamers that people get tired of sex is like telling poor people that people get tired of money.

=P

I agree though, its a good game, and the best of the fantasy genre out right now.

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Originally Posted by 'heffner',index.php?page=Thread&postID=198128#post 198128

WoW is truly an amazing game. Regardless, people will still get bored. I mean, people get bored of sex. Go figure.

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I got bored with sex once. Ok, maybe I was more repulsed and annoyed, but still...

Come to think of it, WoW was a lot like that relationship. Took all my time and money. The end game was an endless cycle of more of the same disguised as less of the the same. And I was a lot happier playing by myself. :whistling: :D

At least with WoW I got some fond memories and a better video card, heheh.

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Very long time gamer... Atari 2600 or Adventure on an Apple 2+ anyone? :) FPS, RTS, MMO... played a lot of things.

WoW was not my first MMO, although I didn't start boxing it until TBC. To be honest I took up boxing beacuse of the challenge of figuring out how to do things without others. I have quit WoW twice for 6 months or so both times. Of the three games (Classic, TBC, and Wrath) I have to say my fondest memories are from Classic (GM'ing, raid lead, PvP on my undead shadow priest!). I enjoyed TBC once I came back to the game and all of the major tweaking was done. I like what Bliz has done to open up the content to more players in Wrath. I don't like the interchangeable classes... I mean whets the point of classes you can get the same functionality from most. I will more than likely put wow on hold in the next couple of months again since the content gets stale and come back for 3.3. I will continue to mix up solo and multi boxing play until I stop playing it. People refer to Classic WoW as Vanilla, I have to disagree, Wrath seems like the real vanilla version. Individualism is gone except for us boxers.

Thanks to an old buddy, I fired up the original Unreal Tournament last weekend... "HEADSHOT!" good times... might put together a Retro LAN party soon just for kicks. Hmmm boxing an FPS!

I had hoped that all the other MMOs that have come out in the last few years would have been able to provide an alternative to WoW, but sadly none of them held my interest for any real length of time.

I will continue to game, and if the game is good enough and I can figure out how to I will continue to box. Of course I will continue to mountain bike, climb, and ww kayak to keep real life interesting.

Playing 2+ accounts keeps my attention on the game, if i play solo, i tend the wander and start to do other things, with 2 accounts or more there's enough things going on at once that my concentration is only on the game.

/dual boxing Darkfall

I lose interest in any and all games. There is only so many times you can keep doing something that keeps your attention. I already left wow a couple of times (Yeah, I know, couple) but one was for a year. I waited and still nothing new came out (game wise... I just wanted something to replace WoW).
I waited and waited, but nothing worth wild was coming out. I played Korean games, off the wall games, just anything and everything to fill the gap, but there was no other MMO that had any effect on me like WoW did. I left WoW just before TBC came out.
I saw nothing special in it. Nothing that would make me really want to come back. The only reason I finally came back was my brother-in-law had finally gotten into the game, and was started to end game raid and have all sorts of fun and would talk to me about it.
Then I got to thinking about my old world Guild that I ran all the fun Dungeons with (MC, Naxx, AQ and such) and I went back just to play with them again. But the world had changed, and everyone I knew was either gone, or was in an End game raiding guild that we swore we would never go to, lol. So I became a 5-boxer. 5-Boxing just made the game, harder? It made me think more about the game rather than just playing it. I'm not sure if I enjoyed the game, or if it was fun to me after I started back in TBC (fresh start). But I guess I just stuck around to prove a point, a point that I didn't need my old world guild, or anyone else to do what I wanted. Nothing stood in my way. I was the guild, I was the group, I was the raid.

WoW just lost most of all it's appeal. Never liked TBC, I never liked WoTLK. Both just made leveling easier, doing quests easier, PVP easier, added a OP class that can kill you with spamming one button, tried something new with Dungeons, and really just made them easier.

Maybe it never really got easier, maybe we just knew what to expect and nothing had changed. So it just became easy sauce. I don't expect anything really all the special from games now and days. I assume I will get bored after a long period of time just like I did with EQ1, and every game after that.

I don't really intend to leave wow, but for now, I want something that will give me a challenge.

I started boxing quit early on in Everquest, slowly working my way up to 6-boxing. Ever since that I have a hard time enjoying playing a solo character for more then a month, in any MMO. Boxing just adds so much for me, from the added utility, to the freedom to do what you want to do up to the RP-value of having your own "family" of toons. I like gearing up my toons, I like dinging with them and get new spells and when you box you get all that x(insert number of boxes). :)

I have never boxed in WoW but I did 3-box for a while in EQ2 and for a very short while 2-boxed in Lotro. I must say though that I like it the best in EQ, dunno why.

The "Massively Multiplayer" part of MMORPGs has always been "sharing a Virtual World together" and not "group up and grind mobs together" btw. Funny how hard it is to explain the difference between those 2 statements to "anti-boxers" though. :) I always use the example of how I did the Qeynos-->Freeport run once in EQ in 1999 with my level 4 Enchanter and encountered this other player halfway Norrath in Highkeep( a safe haven), who was doing the run the other way around. Back then it was a thrill to make this journey and meeting this guy was fun. We drank something in one of the Inns there and then said our goodbyes, each heading into danger again in separate ways. One of my best memories in EQ. Note how this did not involve grinding mobs for XP. :D But people don't play like that anymore, they do not make MMO's like that anymore so basically you get a "does not compute" when I tell people this story. :(

Personally boxing (and learning about RAF boosting) has saved my WOW for me. My main (80 orc hunter) was getting stale, got all the gear I could possibly want out of 10m naxx, don't have the time to devote to a 25m guild (and besides I like my current guild too much to ever leave them for anything...it's the people, not the content we clear that's our focus).

So I went and resurrected my original wow toon, a human rogue on a diff pvp realm and leveled her to 80 to join her guild (mostly friends and friends of friends) in 10m raiding. By the time I got to 80, they'd all been decked out and stopped running naxx and people were starting to drop like flies to 25m guilds. So that toon did a few PUGs @80 before I got fedup with PUGs.

So then I resurrected another old toon, a 42 human priest on that same realm, and started leveling him. Got used to being one of maybe 2-3 ppl online in the guild at any given time, and had some fun playing him, got to 66. But I was really missing the guild chat and camaraderie of my horde guild on shadowsong.

That's when I discovered boxing, and decided "hey this is a great way to get some more high level toons quickly". I already had 2 accounts (one WotLK and one TBC), so I started my non-RAF team of prot pally + holy priest. Could've RAF'ed but I wanted to play twin blood elves, since I already had two TBC or better accounts and didn't want to pay for a 'temporary' TBC account, I'm boxing them to 80 together now. My guild is very supportive of it and often asks how things are going, what's the biggest pull I've done so far, contributed bags and some startup cash (even though I have an 80 on the realm that could've done that lol).

So I'm having fun with that and once the team hits 80 (going to upgrade the TBC account to WotLK when I near 70 and then maintain two accounts), anyways when the team hits 80 I'm going to RAF a 3rd account from my 2nd account and instance boost two pairs of toons to 60 using the pally. Then I'll gift 59 levels to a L1 on the 2nd account and get five 60's out of the deal.

So boxing rejuvenated my WOWing as it's a way to get two 80's in the effort it would normally take to get one, and then get five 60's in about 2-3 weeks even at my modest play schedule.

Once the boostees are all 60, going to transfer the two toons off the 3rd account to my main account, leave the three 60's on my 2nd account, and then dual-box up 3 more pairs of toons to 80 (got a mage I'll solo to 60 on main account then join her to another toon).

I will continue to maintain two accounts because I plan to dual-box level toons in the next expansion too, so might as well keep them on two accounts. :) I even have my monthly subscription renewals staggered so I pay once per 15 days instead of paying both at once each month.


And here I was headed to about my 5th "retirement" from wow lol.

I have to say I am a boxer, when it come to MMOs. I started playing EQ1 when it went live. I started a warrior. It was only a few weeks in that i realized i "HAD" to group with other players as a warrior due to the insanely long regain time for health. I was only having fun when I had someone to adventure with me who could heal. About 1 month into live, I bought a new PC and right away thought" Man it would be nice to start a cleric on a new account to heal me." I had no idea how it would work, /follow was not even in the game yet. I ran around by auto running them in the same direction and jumping back and forth between keyboards and mice. Travel was not fun. Not long after that they added /follow to the game and I started seeing more people with 'pocket healers" following them around. I found out about WindowsEQ at some point and had gained some accounts via friends quitting, and was able to alt-tab my way through 4-5 accounts.

After EQ ( and for awhile during ) I started playing DAoC, I started that game with two accounts and ended up with 4 before WoW came out. I have been a boxer for all my MMO life, minus those first few months in EQ. I have boxed, or tried to, every MMO since.

I am playing EQ2 now with a little WoW PvP every now and then. I'm about to add 2 more accounts to EQ2 so i can do more, as far as harder content in dungons. I also started some LotR accounts because some friends were going to play it. I already had a level 50 Champ and Minst. My friends only played a few days and went back to WoW.