Eck!!!! EEK!

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03-24-2009, 11:04 PM
Simulacra

Eck!!!! EEK!

I've been farming H Grundrak for about a week, didn't have any issues with Eck until last night, I wiped 5 times >.< and haven't wiped on this guy before or even come close. Macros are all the same, gear is all the same (except for my new libram of obstruction) but I noticed that my shammy DPS was lower, it's usually around 1500-1600 but was about 1200 last night .....on the collosus I had no issues at all - wierd, maybe I was just tired but Eck has always been so easy - my pally is actually wearing the Eck plate chest piece and has one in the bank - I know that's not really enough info but I was wondering if anyone else has suddenly found something to be quite hard that was so so easy
03-24-2009, 11:26 PM
Zal

Exact opposite for me. My 3 mages normally doing 1500 dps suddenly shot up to 1800 dps each with one very minor change in gear. Was running H UK and noticed things dying a ton faster so i checked recount and let out a "WTF, eh who cares, things dying faster." Then started pulling 2.2k dps on VoA today.
03-24-2009, 11:43 PM
Hachoo

I had this happen in HoL at one point... I ran the dungeon on heroic twice and had 0 issues on Ionar - beat him first try. Then, I went in once and I wiped like 4 times on him, and the time I beat him I wiped immediately after he died from his spiders. Weird... Haven't been back since cause I don't need anything from the dungeon so I'm not sure if it would happen again or not.
03-25-2009, 12:30 AM
Simulacra

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Zal',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189092#post1890 92

Exact opposite for me. My 3 mages normally doing 1500 dps suddenly shot up to 1800 dps each with one very minor change in gear. Was running H UK and noticed things dying a ton faster so i checked recount and let out a "WTF, eh who cares, things dying faster." Then started pulling 2.2k dps on VoA today.

I just had a look at my shammies again and noticed a gear change >.< 2 of the shammies went from
http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=44242
to
http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=37630

over the last 2 nights. So I'll switch back tonight and see the difference if any.

mmm so what was the minor gear change for you? that's a pretty serious DPS increase.
03-25-2009, 12:52 AM
Dorffo

did that drop you below the heroic hit cap?
03-25-2009, 02:05 AM
Zal

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Simulacra',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189098#po st189098

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Zal',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189092#post1890 92

Exact opposite for me. My 3 mages normally doing 1500 dps suddenly shot up to 1800 dps each with one very minor change in gear. Was running H UK and noticed things dying a ton faster so i checked recount and let out a "WTF, eh who cares, things dying faster." Then started pulling 2.2k dps on VoA today.

I just had a look at my shammies again and noticed a gear change >.< 2 of the shammies went from
http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=44242
to
http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=37630

over the last 2 nights. So I'll switch back tonight and see the difference if any.

mmm so what was the minor gear change for you? that's a pretty serious DPS increase.

New WG haste helm on mages. Was only about + 50 sp and the haste on the helm.
03-25-2009, 02:06 AM
Simulacra

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Dorffo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189101#post1 89101

did that drop you below the heroic hit cap?

ahhh, yes that would be all that technical stuff that I kind of ignore wouldn't it :P

Spell hit :
before = 157 = 5.99%
after = 128 = 4.88%

mmm - guess I'll switch back for sure
03-25-2009, 02:20 AM
Zal

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Simulacra',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189113#po st189113

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Dorffo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189101#post1 89101

did that drop you below the heroic hit cap?

ahhh, yes that would be all that technical stuff that I kind of ignore wouldn't it :P

Spell hit :
before = 157 = 5.99%
after = 128 = 4.88%

mmm - guess I'll switch back for sure

hit cap is 17% but you really only need around 11% for heroics
03-25-2009, 03:11 AM
Xcon

Hit capped for heroic dungeons is like 6% for raid bosses it's 17%
03-25-2009, 03:42 AM
Akeldema

11% is correct for heroic bosses
03-25-2009, 07:46 AM
Simulacra

Swapped back my capes - Eck Dead, amazing the difference 26 hit makes - DPS back up to around 1600 - one of the shammies even had 1900 at one point
Thanks for all your help :thumbsup:
03-25-2009, 03:23 PM
Aradar

Granted WoWWiki isn't always correct but it says mobs two levels higher, i.e. Heroic Bosses, only require 6% hit. As a Shaman you should already be getting 3% from talents and another 1% from your racial if you are Draenei.
03-25-2009, 03:47 PM
Talamarr

For 5 man heroic bosses (level 82), you have a base spell hit rate of 94% so you need to make up 6%.

If you're a Draeni with Elemental Precision, that gives you +4% hit, you only need +2% hit from gear or 53 hit rating, to be capped.

(source: http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_hit)
03-25-2009, 04:37 PM
Coltimar

I'm embarrassed to say I can't beat this freakin' guy. I am geared well enough that I should but I can't keep or get him off my guys when he shed aggro.
03-25-2009, 05:11 PM
puppychow

Taunt is always a bit tricky. when he does his little bounce you don't want to instantly taunt, since Eck is apparently dozing or some other dumb thing. Instead wait a second or two for him to actually start attacking, taunt him off, throw a few abilities with your tank (dont DPS yet), then start DPSing again. As a pally you should always have consecrate down, as a DK you should have unholy blight and/or D&D down as much as possible as well.

You should really have omen as a multiboxer on all your characters, and have it prominently shown on your tank. You'll see after Eck pounces all threat is reset to 0, so you need to build up a small margin with your tank again before going all out. There are a number of heroic bosses where threat management is important, and letting DPS pull aggro means a wipe.
03-25-2009, 05:53 PM
Aradar

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Coltimar',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189382#pos t189382

I'm embarrassed to say I can't beat this freakin' guy. I am geared well enough that I should but I can't keep or get him off my guys when he shed aggro.

It's been a while since I downed this guy but puppychow is correct, his aggro is a little funky. If I remember correctly, he will target someone in your party, drop target and then reacquire the target. It is during that second target that you want to "taunt" him back to the tank. If you taunt during the first targeting, it doesn't always work.
03-26-2009, 01:57 AM
Simulacra

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Coltimar',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189382#pos t189382

I'm embarrassed to say I can't beat this freakin' guy. I am geared well enough that I should but I can't keep or get him off my guys when he shed aggro.

My life became a whole lot easier once I set up a Righteous Defense macro and bound it, before that I was clicking it lol.
found on wowwiki
#showtooltip Righteous Defense
/cast [noharm] [target=targettarget,noharm] Righteous Defense
03-26-2009, 03:51 AM
heffner

After several wipes on this guy I found it was best to make sure all my guys were stacked on top of each other. I just spam holy nova from my priest and go to town.
03-26-2009, 09:19 AM
Tizer

I just go mental on his ass and taunt him back after hes done the spit and not before. Chain heal up after it hes back on your tank. I dont think i even healed my tank directly last time i killed him. Chain healing self on shaman and health totems was enough. I might have also used seal of light, but probably not, my macro is set to cast Seal of Wisdom before every fight...
03-26-2009, 11:21 AM
Gares

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Simulacra',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189493#po st189493

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Coltimar',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189382#pos t189382

I'm embarrassed to say I can't beat this freakin' guy. I am geared well enough that I should but I can't keep or get him off my guys when he shed aggro.

My life became a whole lot easier once I set up a Righteous Defense macro and bound it, before that I was clicking it lol.
found on wowwiki
#showtooltip Righteous Defense
/cast [noharm] [target=targettarget,noharm] Righteous Defense

Also as a pally you can use Hand of Reckoning as well as a 2nd taunt with Righteous defense.
03-26-2009, 12:28 PM
Aradar

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Tizer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189556#post18 9556

my macro is set to cast Seal of Wisdom before every fight...

Did you mean Judgement of Wisdom or do you actually tank with Seal of Wisdom?
03-27-2009, 06:33 AM
Tizer

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Aradar',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189615#post1 89615

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Tizer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189556#post18 9556

my macro is set to cast Seal of Wisdom before every fight...

Did you mean Judgement of Wisdom or do you actually tank with Seal of Wisdom?

I Judge Wisdom and i also use Seal of Wisdom. Althought im well aware its not a "tanking" seal it helps keep my paladin on full mana on every trash / boss fight. Since im using a macro which is spammed constantly its very easy to get low on mana. If i cant taunt, im buggered. Works for me :) Plus being in the macro is means my pally always has it active, as im always forgetting about aura's and such :P
03-27-2009, 02:38 PM
Aradar

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Tizer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189962#post18 9962

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Aradar',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189615#post1 89615

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Tizer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=189556#post18 9556

my macro is set to cast Seal of Wisdom before every fight...

Did you mean Judgement of Wisdom or do you actually tank with Seal of Wisdom?

I Judge Wisdom and i also use Seal of Wisdom. Althought im well aware its not a "tanking" seal it helps keep my paladin on full mana on every trash / boss fight. Since im using a macro which is spammed constantly its very easy to get low on mana. If i cant taunt, im buggered. Works for me :) Plus being in the macro is means my pally always has it active, as im always forgetting about aura's and such :P

I run the same setup as you but b/w Blessing of Sanc, Divine Plea, Judgement of Wisdom, Spiritual Attunement and 3 Mana Totems I rarely if ever have mana problems but if it works for you that's all that matters. I personally run Seal of Vengeance but to each his own.
03-27-2009, 03:24 PM
puppychow

You should always use blessing of sanctuary and seal of corruption (vengeance for ally?) as a tank on equal level content, its a much better combo. sanctuary gives you back 3% mana every time you block or dodge (forget which), I don't think I ever came close to oom even using consecrate/etc every chance I can. You can of course judge light or wisdom as you see fit, some fights are good for wisdom and some are better for light.

the only time to really use seal of wisdom is on old content, since you never take any damage at all mana becomes a problem.
03-27-2009, 04:46 PM
Catamer

make a box with your tank in the center of it.
I face my toons different directions, drop totems and step back 3-4 setups and have a nice box.
if you have shaman drop the magma totems then Eck gets there.
my tanks concecration pretty much hits all of my toons, so no matter where Eck goes someone including the tank can hit him.
03-27-2009, 05:25 PM
Hachoo

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Catamer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=190193#post 190193

make a box with your tank in the center of it.
I face my toons different directions, drop totems and step back 3-4 setups and have a nice box.
if you have shaman drop the magma totems then Eck gets there.
my tanks concecration pretty much hits all of my toons, so no matter where Eck goes someone including the tank can hit him.

Or you could just do it the way that has already been suggested in this thread multiple times and always be able to hit eck with all 5 guys no matter where he goes...
03-28-2009, 06:40 AM
Tizer

i'll use BoC from time to time, but BoK appeals a lot more as it puts me up to 31.5k self buffed rather than 28.8k or something, which just isnt right! ;)
03-28-2009, 12:38 PM
Aradar

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Tizer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=190335#post19 0335

i'll use BoC from time to time, but BoK appeals a lot more as it puts me up to 31.5k self buffed rather than 28.8k or something, which just isnt right! ;)

I don't know this for a fact but I'm guessing you would gain more mana from the effect of BoSanc then you do from Seal of Wisdom and you would probably have to taunt less since you would then be using a damage Seal, preferably Vengeance. Moreover, I think you would gain more effective health from the 3% damage reduction across the board granted by BoSanc than the 1.7k you are getting from BoK.

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