Dinged 80X5 and got owned in Arathi Basin

Hey all,

I just dinged 80 on my five box warrior and 4 shaman. Since I've been instancing my brains out, I decided to try something different and logged into pvp for the first time. Oh was it painful.

While waiting for the queue to pop, I changed around my totems to include an earthbind and four grounding totems. I also moved intimidating shout into my warrior toolbar (I never use it in instances... very bad when the mobs run into other groups).

Queue pops and my toons won't follow. WTF. I announce that somehow I can't control my other four characters and I get, "LOL I'm reporting all of them!"

After 1 minute of troubleshooting, turns out the say prompt was on and all my commands went into the dialog box. When I pressed enter, the chars all said, "111111!!!!!!333331111444400022222**&&&" which were all my keypresses.

I tell everyone in BG chat, "Please don't follow me, I'll hold stables." What happens? EVERYONE follows me to stables.

As usual, a bunch of horde come towards stables and I totem up behind the flag.

Undead mage is up first. I charge, toons follow and all flameshock. When the shaman are close, thunderstorm and the mage goes down like a sack of potatos.

This must have pissed off the horde because they all piled on me. I charge another guy and shield slam him... I'm waiting for my shaman, but wth, they are all still by the flag. All are trying to follow, but are stuck behind the flag :(

The horde are good, they send rogues to sap my shaman and hunters to hit me from range, but I spam chain heal for a good minute and a half and heal myself through all the damage. None of my teammates are helping, they're just standing there LOLing at the horde.

Tired of the stables, I go to mines and after capping the flag, one of my toons mysteriously goes on autorun. He's off in the little lake before I realize and he's swimming towards the far end.

So this stream of screwups continue until we lose 2000 to 980. Man, how humbling.

1. I need to get epic mounts on all my shaman (only my warrior has an epic)
2. I need to be careful around obstacles and flags
3. Thuderstorm is BEAUTIFUL
4. Four fire elementals is BEAUTIFUL
5. Fear sucks
6. People follow you no matter what you say
7. Most opposition that takes on all five of my toons alone is dead in 3 seconds or less.

Well to be fair it's harder to do melee+ranged in PvP compared to a ranged team of 5boxers, and especially since it was your first visit to AB with the whole group.
I sort of know how you feel, you are in the spotlight but you aren't putting up much of a show. :S

Better luck next time :)

pro - tip:
work out the kinks in Alterac valley where it's almost 100% guaranteed that even if you are experiencing technical difficulties there will be some scrubs in there that still perform worse then you do (and you make up a much smaller portion of the team)!

FTW

Pretty soon you'll be holding nodes like nothing.

Once I got kinks down, my shammy team can hold a node against a total onslaght of alliance. It usually gets to the point where they are so distracted at taking my node because Im holding it with a multiboxing team, that other nodes are left enar defensless and we win hands down.

I would love to see some video from this "winning hands down" of which you speak ... I'm not experiencing the same level of pwnage, and am in fact the recipient of much pwnage (maybe I should be writing this in the multi-fail thread). I'm using 5x shadow priests that can destroy 1 or 2, but quickly get eaten when there's more than 2. Anyone got video?

sounds like you were have fun

if you are just standing around waiting for the horde to show up try having your shaman in ghost wolf form. Those rogues can't sap you then.

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Originally Posted by 'not5150',index.php?page=Thread&postID=183962#post 183962

Hey all,

I just dinged 80 on my five box warrior and 4 shaman. Since I've been instancing my brains out, I decided to try something different and logged into pvp for the first time. Oh was it painful.

While waiting for the queue to pop, I changed around my totems to include an earthbind and four grounding totems. I also moved intimidating shout into my warrior toolbar (I never use it in instances... very bad when the mobs run into other groups).

Queue pops and my toons won't follow. WTF. I announce that somehow I can't control my other four characters and I get, "LOL I'm reporting all of them!"

After 1 minute of troubleshooting, turns out the say prompt was on and all my commands went into the dialog box. When I pressed enter, the chars all said, "111111!!!!!!333331111444400022222**&&&" which were all my keypresses.

I tell everyone in BG chat, "Please don't follow me, I'll hold stables." What happens? EVERYONE follows me to stables.

As usual, a bunch of horde come towards stables and I totem up behind the flag.

Undead mage is up first. I charge, toons follow and all flameshock. When the shaman are close, thunderstorm and the mage goes down like a sack of potatos.

This must have pissed off the horde because they all piled on me. I charge another guy and shield slam him... I'm waiting for my shaman, but wth, they are all still by the flag. All are trying to follow, but are stuck behind the flag :(

The horde are good, they send rogues to sap my shaman and hunters to hit me from range, but I spam chain heal for a good minute and a half and heal myself through all the damage. None of my teammates are helping, they're just standing there LOLing at the horde.

Tired of the stables, I go to mines and after capping the flag, one of my toons mysteriously goes on autorun. He's off in the little lake before I realize and he's swimming towards the far end.

So this stream of screwups continue until we lose 2000 to 980. Man, how humbling.

1. I need to get epic mounts on all my shaman (only my warrior has an epic)
2. I need to be careful around obstacles and flags
3. Thuderstorm is BEAUTIFUL
4. Four fire elementals is BEAUTIFUL
5. Fear sucks
6. People follow you no matter what you say
7. Most opposition that takes on all five of my toons alone is dead in 3 seconds or less.

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Good write-up! When you get more PvP gear, you will do much better in the battlegrounds. At least that's what I've found. Resilience does make a difference. In 10-boxing Alterac Valley, it's VASTLY FUN! I play defense and get huge numbers of kills on all characters.

You must be using Keyclone. Given that you mentioned one of your characters went on Autorun, I deduce that Keyclone was involved in it some how.

Not5150

Let me tell ya, I've been exactly where you are not 3 weeks ago. Hang in there, it does get better. I do have a few tips for you though.

I had to respec my DK as PvP (Frost/Unholy hybrid). The shaman are all specced to increase burst DPS and crits (that way I don't have to respec for instances). Of course, I had to respec my Resto Shammie for Elemental. I've not played Warrior in PvP (just PvE) so not sure what to tell you there.

1. Make an arena team and get specific welfare blue PvP gear. It's pretty good gear and although you can purchase the same stuff for honor or emblems alone, it is far easier (although more humbling) to purchase pieces with arena points + honor points. You ought to be able to get 1 piece of gear a week with arena points and honor alone.

2. If you are going to BG, I'd suggest AV as a better place to start. The battles are larger with more people, so there is less of an "ooh" factor and more pewpew at least on the Cyclone BG. Also, forces tend to get more spread out so you can work on your PvP skills facing 2-3 at a time much more often than facing 5 or more. Of course, you can easily get overrun with 15 opposition and then get your arse kicked, but it's all good fun.

3. For sapping rogues, I typically do the EM/Thuderstorm combo x 4. That is enough to one-shot most average-geared rogues. Follow that with either Nova or Magma totems and they'll die when they try to run to you. Of course, if you are already in an enclosed space, the magma totems will finish them off.

4. Run as many dailies as you can stand. Although boring the steady stream of gold will get you upgrades that are better than what you can get doing PvP or heroic 5-mans (think Titansteel Guardian). But that costs money and you'll easily blow through 4K per character getting epic items from the auction house.

5. WIntergrasp when you can - there is an epic helm and boots for Shaman that are well worth getting. It'll take 55 WG marks though, so you'll be saving up for them for a while.

Since I have gotten better gear for my team, I have been doing noticeably better in AV. Nothing beats holding a tower or GY, seeing a rush of horde, popping elementals and totems and just going to town. I've held my own against 8 horde that way, although facing just 4 players who work well together can still take my team apart. Still trying to work strats, but it's always going to be a learning process. Most important, it is a blast.

Several things to get more prepared for PVP

first : you need to get more experience of opponents tactics and abilities (IE: against rogues, just drop magma totems (mine are doing crits @ 950~1000 x 4 , the rogue will run away in no time or be owned in a blink) along with optional healing totems and just chain heal yourself).. another great feature of the shaman is the Stormstrike .. awesome when done four times (almost kills instantly targets below 35% health), amazingly usefull when used with a round-robin feature

Second : when moving around, just dont walk as you were alone (jumping can somethimes be usefull to jump over obstacles)

Third : use a 'mute' function ... I've got a MX Revolution Mouse, and the middle button is the mute, I just have to mute before typing anything.. add 'enter', 'return', 'r' and 'Shift+r' to your blacklist to prevent those keys to be broadcasted .. and voila you should be ready

Fourth : get some experience of multiboxing PVP.. this can't be done in a day ... just practice !!

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Originally Posted by 'Prepared',index.php?page=Thread&postID=184462#pos t184462

You must be using Keyclone. Given that you mentioned one of your characters went on Autorun, I deduce that Keyclone was involved in it some how.

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I've had this happen and I'm 100% hardware. Tends to creep up when someone is following and they try to cast a channeled spell, or sometimes, for no apparent reason, follow breaks but they keep running.

:) i feel for you :) i had a similar experience when i tried WSG at lvl 19 with 5 mages still in gray armor/wep's O.o ya it was that bad .. put me off doing any pvp at all for a long time ... but i recently started doing a few AV with my 5xmoonkin druids at lvl 60 went ok but each time i did AV i would tweak my setup a little here and there .. go with what works and now i find it loads of fun and drop alli's like they were made of butter :P defo dont let this experience put you off doing bg's i guess thats the trick to multiboxing in general ... find the problem .. and find a way to fix it ...

First time I pvp'd I did it with 3 lvl 29 hunters and it was a blast. When I got fear bombed I just did a 180 and disengaged my guys so they landed in a neat pile in the middle.

Oh and let's not forget cats. Lots and lots of cats lol.

It was annoying when one or two died though. Or worse, they rezzed in diff areas like in AB. It meant no matter where I was on the map, I had to go back to pick him up.

The twinks were brutal though. Lvl 29 guys with 6x the HP I had vs. my lvl 29 hunters in green and white gear heh. It took all 3 of my guys to kill one so I figure it was an even fight =p

You mentioned fear, solution: tremor totems, preferably staggered.

Elemental Mastery is no longer a guaranteed crit, so EM+thunderstorm will no longer oneshot everything, but is still pretty good.

There are quite a few boxing pvp movies in the Show-Off forum.
These can give you a good idea what others are doing.

Nothing will improve you more then pvping a lot.

As mentioned the gear makes it a whole lot better over time.

Back when I was 1-boxing, my raiding shaman was pathetic in new to 70 gear.
After a couple of weeks of way too many hours per day of AV's.. I think 16-18 hrs for 15 days...
I had no difficulty taking 3 or 4 players at once, by myself; not saying 1 toon did not still own me at times too.

But overall, as you gain experience and know which counter to use for each situation...
and combine that with crit protection via resilience along with higher ac and health...
You will win a lot of fights with ease, which today would be a complete lost cause.

It does get better with time.