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My current double boxing team is a Ret paladin and a Holy Paladin, both lvl 45. With just these 2 i have been able to duo such instances as (At the appopriate lvl) RFD, All SM, RFK, Ulda, and most recently ZF. Worse yet is that when i am running with my friend who also boxes 3 druids (boomkins x3) i stomp him in dps even though im tanking and healing. Which i can understand because he has no AoE and my consecrate is a killer.

Is a double pally group this OP at 80?

Out of all my groups that i have tried this is THE strongest i have had yet. At lvl 45 the deaths of both my guys is at 24. They are able to take damage and return a immense amount of dps no matter the spec. if i were to recommend any 2box combo id recommend paladins to anyone.

Once i hit 60 i will acquire the remainder of the Ret pally tree abilities and add them into my spam macro. Already i kill equal lvl mobs in less then 10 seconds just spamming my cast random macro on both guys.

The short answer is:

No, your friend sucks at DPS and you only seem OP because all the old world content is so horribly nerfed. Also since both of your characters are in plate, instance survival seems very high. Its not a bad combo but it won't feel OP at 80, I assure you :)

Yeh, like on my shaman in the old instances I was main tank/main healer at the same time.. it really takes no skill anymore, because they are just meant for lvling now, so that people dont blow up there computer at lvl 16 trying to figure out the game for the first time.

It's moderately OP at 80 in the sense that you can 2 man any boss with no enrage timer or insane damage spells. Both holy and prot pallies have unlimited mana essentially.

Then came 3.1 - bye bye mana bye bye 2 manning much of anything unless you overgear it to death.

You either do not seem to get it, simply forgotten or you have never played a paladin. The average dps at lvl 40-45 is around 110-130. My friend was putting out around 155 on all his boomkins but i (both tank and healer) were putting out 180-200 dps. All this dps is coming only from 3 attacks. Judgements, Auto hit, and consecrate. I havent even tapped into the higher Ret Abilities that will no doubt increase my strength nor have i been able to do the same for my holy paladin. Also there is a difference between having 5 people in an instance and doing the same instance with just 2. Thats not just because they nerfed the classic portion of the game.

Now both me and my friend have been playing for 3+ years so if anything we're veteran players, its the only reason i box is because the game gets boring otherwise. Productive suggestions are welcome were as degrading incompetent statements will be shot down. I am extremely stubborn so don't push me.

Cheerio

/push

My druids is 76 right now.. ran Drak yesterday with ret paly.. we were both pretty close in terms of dps. Though he did have to sit and drink a few times.

I'd say judge your OPness in Wotlk instances; content is not nerfed and most classes have all their usefull spells/talents.

boomkin damage kidna sucks since its not aoe. im sure you're resetting the meters every time you see a boss fight right?
on trash, i would assume you would win. aoe consecrate/ret aura/thorns makes it super easy.

now if your druid was a tank, his swipe would do relatively equal damage as your pally.
i think another factor we would also need to check is your friend's talent choices and gear. that too can often be a dealbreaker for dps.
but at your level, you can easily tank most instances your level, provided you have a healer who can keep up with the healing (they dont run OOM).

i would have your friend cast rolling hurricanes. since you have mobs tanked easily, he can take the time to switch screens and cast hurricanes. this might up his dps.
but... if there's only three mobs attacking at a time, i'd say hurricanes would be a waste. i'd cycle through all mobs first, applying MF and IS, then tab back to the first mob and appy wraths. reapply MF and IS as needed.

Thank you for your comments. I am sure that no doubt classes will equal out some what in the NR. At the moment it is pretty bad considering. It is insanely easy to heal and tank instances which i personally think is wrong and should be fixed. Increasingly boring content will drive me to buy a third account to continue being interested lol. I hope that it does atleast equal out because i do want to switch my slave paladin over to Ret and begin doing PvP and dps raids pending the raid and my gear strength.

While questing i am unstoppable which is another reason why i would recommend this class to any one that wants a versatile class to box. I rarely have to drink at all when questing due to the ret mana regeneration talents, judgements and my seals and yet i still manage to squeeze out insane damage through Holy shock and Judgements with my constant auto hit. In instances its a bit different i have to drink alot more due to the increased enemy hp and numbers.

As for my friend. I don't know what he has his macros setup to do. On one of our latest instances in ZF at the last boss (The hydra gong boss)he squeezed out about 165 and i was able to put out 185. My healer lagged behind because he was constantly healing and only had like 35 dps.

Any way i have been thinking about adding a third character to this team. Any suggestions?

i was thinking either a DK, Resto Druid, another pally :thumbsup: or a priest (Shadow or Holy/Disc)

My understanding is that a lot of the relatively recent talent changes etc were to balance out the classes at higher levels. It wouldn't surprise me if some classes/specs were putting out more DPS at lower levels. At L80 it would likely depend on the situation, some classes/specs are just better with fast kills while others really shine on boss fights (which is nothing new as you likely know). I am not sure if any class/spec is truly OP at this point, but I really don't have enough experience to be sure of this. Things are constantly changing anyway.

With respect to multiboxing, I believe that some classes will always perform better than others due to the inherent key spamming involved. It is just not possible to take full advantage of the random "procs" that can make the difference (e.g., hotstreak, eclipse). At least, not that I have figured out....although, I keep trying. For example, Paladins are nice due to so many instant cast spells and elemental shamans don't seem to need as much micromanagement to maximize dps as say mages or boomkins. SPriests probably also fall into this category, although I haven't really bothered to maximize my SPriest DPS since I will be switching to holy at some point so I could be wrong. I am not sure about other classes since I never played them.

Old content is old. Azeroth is nerfed to all hell. I duo'd most instances with my 2 hunters at their respective levels. Using just a bear (until I could pick up a monkey later) and a wolf for my 2 pets. the bear swipe was enough to hold a couple mobs. They've made the old world too trivial it's easy to feel OP. I really miss when everything and it's mother was an elite in azeroth.

I don't know if I'd blame how easy it is for lower paladins to do stuff on game nerfs. Two years ago I was running all SM instances with a total of just two prot paladins (sometimes 3 if another was online), didn't even need heals at all. I wasn't dual-boxing at the time, this was with a guildie. We were both 40 and got geared up in plate. Mail would work too, but you'd probably have to bubble-heal at certain points in there and take turns tanking. So long as you stack the right auras and judgements, just a couple paladins can do nearly anything at lower levels.

At higher levels, its going to get tougher for just two, but you'll still be able to accomplish quite a bit, I'd imagine.

i want to know your friend's casting sequence, talents and gear.

also know that his dots, insect swarm and moonfire, may be cut off due to mobs dying before the IS and MF complete. i kill my mobs solo before my IS and MF complete.

He is full Balance with mostly greens and the shoulderpad heirloom gear. They're the cloth ones though. (We were recently leveling SPriests and Locks together so we bought the cloth heirloom gear before we started our current group.) His rotation consists of dotting everything with IS and MF and then Wrathing and Starfiring mobs down. Together however we beat down mobs to fast for his dots to complete so in the end he wastes mana and usually ends up drinking were as i am able to keep going.

I do remember when alot of things were elite such as the mobs guarding instance entrances. Alot of people did give a cheer when they nerfed that though (Including me) only to be saddened by the tedious grinding.


Soon i will add another of my paladins to this team bringing my team up to 2 ret pallies and probably a holy or a third retadin. Unfortunately my soon to be third pally is lvl 70 with BT gear and is already specced for Holy as well as he is on one of the same accounts as my current team of pallies. So that will cost me to buy another account, character transfer and a name change. (I like to have Twin names.)

I put my moonfire and insects on it also I just hit 40 so this info is a little old but i do agree if i was not getting hit i could thunderstorm it and own the dps with lots of mobs


btw i never ran zf ?(

wrath spam would probably give his team more dps than IS and MF. if mobs are dying too fast then skip the dot spells. or at least, just use moonfire as it as a big boom in the beginning.
i cant compare myself with your friend since my boomkin is higher level, but by 40 you should have dreamstate/moonkin form. that should keep him dpsing for days, especially 3x boomkins. yea... now that i think about it... 3x IS, 3x MF.... i'd just leave it at that and not even cast wrath. or cast wraths and not use IS/MF.

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Originally Posted by 'pewshamanper',index.php?page=Thread&postID=181235 #post181235

I put my moonfire and insects on it also I just hit 40 so this info is a little old but i do agree if i was not getting hit i could thunderstorm it and own the dps with lots of mobs


btw i never ran zf ?(

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Huh? ?( ?( ?(

I'm currently lvlin up 2 boomkins and they're lvl 62, is it worth sticking to boomkin or shud I go back to feral.