10 Boxing starting... Now!

Ok, so I'm the proud owner (it was about time :)) of a 10 boxing level 80 team consisting of:

Tanks:
Unholy DK
Protection Paladin

Healers:
Holy Priest
restoration Shaman

DPS:
Fire Mage
4*Elemental Shaman
1 Moonkin

And I want to attack 10m content. So far I only ran heroics. With any of the mix mentioned above, Tank+3 DPS+1 Healer I find heal to be more than enough and I do something between 8.5k-9k dps. I now that 10m won't be exactly twice this dps but just to give an idea.

I never raided wotlk content, my experience on 10 boxing is Kara and ZA. I have many questions for those of you that already raided both with one or several toons:

Is this a decent composition?
Could dps be a problem?
Where to start?
Where to go next and next? :)
Any hints on how to 10box the bosses?
Any trash giving possible trouble to a 10 boxer?

I don't know if Naxx is linear or you can attack bosses in any order too...
Anther thing is that my +hit is very low, have the IFF though.

Thank you all in advance!

Armory Link here

Paladin is here

fantastic group comp, pretty much perfect imo. I'd start with VOA10 first (inside Wintergrasp), the trash is ridiculously easy (I have 5 manned it) and the boss is pretty forgiving and easy as well. You just need your OT to taunt every time your MT gets grabbed, and your group to move out of grey clouds on the ground. spread the team out, since the spikes do collateral damage (dont move out of them, just heal that person).

Obisidum Sanctum 0 drake isn't too bad either, the trash/3 drakes are easy mode and the boss itself just requires tanks to pick up adds and your group to move correctly in lava wall holes.

i'd start naxx off with spider wing, if maexxna is too hard (some minor movement issues with web grabs) move to plague wing after Faerlina, plague wing is fairly easy and on Heigan just /follow one person. Patchwerk is also extremely easy. Grobbulus, Gluth, and Thaddius are going to be a bit tough (maybe on Thaddius just spread everyone out and 0 charge it), Raz is easy if you can independently work your two tanks. For Gothik you can use the single corner strat (put everyone on the live side corner near Heigan, as far away from gate as you can go). 4h not sure, might be tricky.

The most important person in your raid is gonna be your MT, the better geared he is the easier time you will have. He should have epics in every slot from heroics/BOEs/badge gear, and the trinket from 2nd boss of AzNerub is nice (111 stam). You may wanna run naxx10 once in a pug or whatever with your healer or a DPSer, just so you get an idea of what all the fights are like.

And lastly malygos10 is imo in your reach as well, its actually not a hard fight to multibox esp with all caster DPS, you just have to be super on the ball about moving your tank north every time (leave everyone else in middle) and killing sparks before they reach him. P3 is easy for a multiboxer if you can get to it, P2 will be a bit tricky with all the movement and flying mobs.

Awesome contribution Thank you :)

I have both my tanks capped in def (DK currently isn't but being BS and JC it's just switch bop gems) and very good avoidance stats too (cap not needed for 10m if I'm not mistaken).
DK's almost 30k hp and Pala 27k (both unbuffed). I think raid buffs will do a lot for my dps/heal/tanking too, since I have a real lot of them :).

You think two healers will do?

Regarding pugging some... you're right, that's the best thing to do. But pugging and me... too traumatized :p

Can't wait for more input! Thank you.

I'd say if you are starting nax I'd go with 3 healers. I'd changed either your druid or shaman to resto until you get geared up enough for Naxx. There is a pretty good amount of raid healing and with Circle of healing + Wild growth you should have plenty of non targeted raid healing. I have done all the Wrath content with my resto druid(solo) and I'm usually close to tops on the healing meters in Naxx with Wild growth accounting for 40+% of my healing.

I agree that starting in the spider wing is probably the best place to go.

The easy bosses to multibox are:
Anub'Rekhan
Grand Widow
Noth
Heigan - If you can dance
Loatheb
Gothik
Patchwerk
Thaddius - if you can jump

Harder ones:
Instructor
Four Horsemen
Grobbulus
Gluth
Sapph
Kel

Thank you for your feedback.

There's this awesome post by Kaynin and his opinion differs quite a bit from yours Zzc2. Would you comment?

Thank you!

Very valuable information in this thread.
I am going to start the 10 man content myself in the next few days (groups currently at 80 and 79). As soon as the 79 group hits 80 they are properly geared with a few craftables, the marcos and specs are checked and I'll head into naxx (and voa as suggested in this thread) to see how it goes. Can't wait but I have so much work atm so it is going to be a few days :(
Bunny

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Very valuable information in this thread.
I am going to start the 10 man content myself in the next few days (groups currently at 80 and 79). As soon as the 79 group hits 80 they are properly geared with a few craftables, the marcos and specs are checked and I'll head into naxx (and voa as suggested in this thread) to see how it goes. Can't wait but I have so much work atm so it is going to be a few days :(
Bunny

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Good to know more people are 10 boxing. Maybe we should start a thread to share our experiences (I'll do as soon as I have some ^^).
I think I'll start one just to know who's 10 boxing PVE.

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Thank you!

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A few things of note. When I posted that I was mostly in greens and blues. All the dps in our raid was 1500-2000ish per dps'er. It was all the way in the beginning. And some patches ago.

A few things changed since then. Grobulus is much easier now, elemental shamans do a lot more dps. A few other things here and there. Overall, the increase in dps or having decent gear can make some fights much easier. My post back then, was for the starter group, it focuses more on control and less on nuke encounters. (ie. Faerlina is easy with a good geared group, as enrage won't be a concern. Same for Anub, with a good geared tank you can just swallow the locusts and forget about kiting alltogether. And so on and so forth. But that's for groups already decked out in ilvl 200+ gear.

Oh and one other thing, on thaddius you can just spread out and nuke down doing 0 charge on 10 man. Which makes it very easy too. At the time of me posting those tactics I wasn't aware of this tactic as viable, but it is. :)

Re-awesome Kaynin ^^ Thanks again. I'm the same poster from before (Mortah).
Changed username because that toon no longer exists and this is my main now.

So, taking into account the dps I mentioned in the op (around 9k in heroics with any possible combo from my toons, so that'd mean more than the double under the same condition - hc - counting on all buffs and 10 ppl) there are actually bosses without movement or micro management issues in your opinion. Pure tank and spank? You mentioned Faerlina and Anub. Is it accurate to say that for these two? Any others?

And, is it a decent amount of dps? I know it'll be lower in 10m content mainly due to hit issues but maybe balanced with the fact of having all buff raids available.
All DPSers have the class talented 3% hit with the moonkin IIF. So I have a 6% base to work with, baing needed if I'm not mistaken 289 Hr to be capped.

Thank you.

As you continue to gear up, most encounters will become much easier. Naturally. :P

Anub, Faer, Thaddius, 4 horseman, even Grobulus (since higher dps means the fight doesnt last very long and gens don't come at a hellish rate.) are all fights that become easier and easier as you gear up.

You should aim for a stable all-round dps of 3k on all your dps chars and having a good geared tank (I'd say use DK as a maintank. ), then you can do Gluth with only one decimate. Grob before injections become worrying, thaddius without bothering with charges, anub without bothering with locust, faerlina without bothering with adds and enrage. And so on and so forth.

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As you continue to gear up, most encounters will become much easier. Naturally. :P

Anub, Faer, Thaddius, 4 horseman, even Grobulus (since higher dps means the fight doesnt last very long and gens don't come at a hellish rate.) are all fights that become easier and easier as you gear up.

You should aim for a stable all-round dps of 3k on all your dps chars and having a good geared tank (I'd say use DK as a maintank. ), then you can do Gluth with only one decimate. Grob before injections become worrying, thaddius without bothering with charges, anub without bothering with locust, faerlina without bothering with adds and enrage. And so on and so forth.

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Just noticed we're on same battlegroup :) Too bad we're not in the same server it'd be so good to raid on dual 5 boxer mode :).
DK is my main tank. Atm not geared like the Paladin though.
If you have the time and the patience (please don't feel forced to) just check my armory links and I'd like to have your opinion (mostly on the tanks). I'm sure that they won't be all at 3k dps.

Never tried to put them all together and see what it does in terms of dps :) Guess Vault will be my benchmark. Isee that "only" thing to really worry about is the aoe damage (spots).

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Thank you for your feedback.

There's this awesome post by Kaynin and his opinion differs quite a bit from yours Zzc2. Would you comment?

Thank you!

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Kaynin's post was posted a while back as he stated. My list is from my current experience 8 boxing Naxx. I think Grobb is the raid definer for any boxer, as it is currently the hardest boss to box in Naxx IMO. It took me 4 tries to down him only 5 boxing, and that was with most of the raid dying. I'm on the last three bosses as a boxer (thaddius, sapph, kel which im hoping to down this week), and so far the hardest fights to box are:

Grobb

4 horse
Instructor

Gluth

These are the only fights I have not 8-boxed. Grobb because of the constant movement, 4 horse because of transitions (it's possible, but havent tried with more than 6), instructor due to tank switching and re-mind controlling (done it with 7) and gluth due to kiting ( if you have a deticated kiter would be a lot easier.) I think the last three could be done with 8-9 boxing with a lot of attempts, but the Grobb is the only fight that requires more people.

The fights you should start with as a 10 box is Anub or Patchwerk. The fights are real easy and basic tank and spank. Heal through locus on Anub and have an OT taunt the add when it spawns. Patchwerk is real easy, just keep healing MT / OT. if you down those, head to plague wing and you should be able to down all the bosses in there.

Noth is pretty much tank and spank with the OT rounding up adds. Heigan is easy if you can do the dance. Loatheb is super easy and you dont even need spore buff to down him. All of these could be done 10 boxing.

After these bosses, it starts to pick up in difficulty 10 boxing wise. Grand widow would be the next choice. Maexxna would be hard depending on if you can de-web people in time. Instructor would be hard but if you can master tank switching while raid healing and re mind controlling. Gothic super easy just split up groups. Four horsemen is all on how well you can transition.

Then you'll hit a road block with Grobb which will be a hard one to get past.

kelthuzad is gonna be hard as well imo, the void zones really have very little reaction time -- if you dont move out of them in about 2 secs, you will die. And when you move, you have to move in such a way as to not be within 10 yards of someone else, since Kel likes to cast ice block soon after void zones (to catch all those people who move too close!). I hate the fight in 10 man, detest it in 25 man, and will applaud anyone who boxes it in either.

Very precious info! Thank you so much everyone. As posted in the 10 boxing progress (lol) thread I just downed Vault and am extremely happy ^^. Had never did it only a few tries, encouraging.