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I was wondering what horde race would be the best for shamans. I know Ellay the master of shamans, choose female orcs because of 15% resist stun and because of the pure size difference between orcs and taurens. Just wondering if it is that much of a pain to play with 5 gigantic taurens walking around.
Any other inputs in choosing the race would be very much appreciated.
My take, aoe stun > stun resist but I don't have the same level of experience as Ellay with shammies. I do think that if your moo cows are too big, zoom out. There are mods to zoom out further even.
You only need to Warstomp with one of them. So your DPS only drops by 1/5th.
Personally? 5 Female Cows.
It does but with 5 guys you tend to mow people down fast enough that you always have new targets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fursphere
I have a 63 Orc Shaman, and the racial Blood Fury is amazing for me. 1n a 1 vs 1 fight with my elemental shaman, the extra +dmg is like an extra free trinket along with the normal trinket i can activate when using an Elemental Mastery LB or CL. applies to +attack power as well if you're enhance.
I think it's +healing also, and can add to you healing stream totems, and earth shield.
The only downside is the healing debuff you get, but in my case they were always dead before i needed to heal myself, and if it's group pvp, i can stay far enough away for the debuff to wear off.
Probably not a good racial to rely on in Arenas, but for BGs and world pvp, it's nice.
I have only played a Tauren Shaman, but i'm thinking a lot about what race i want to use when i start to multibox shamans.
My problem with Taurens is that they are very clickable. I get attacked no matter where i'm standing in the zerg express going do Vandar.
Sure, i get 5% more HP, but i don't think that makes up for it at all.
I have tried various effects to make the Tauren smaller, and that really helps with survivability.
I get CC'd to death a lot. Maybe i just suck, but i would think the stun resist Orcs get, coupled with that they are not as clickable helps a lot. I think i will start playing five orc shamans.
My Main is a 70 Orc Shaman, chosen for the +5 Axe skill and the 30% stun resist (this is before 2.0 when enhancement Shammies were good in PVP - used to rule in 40-49 bracket with 2x flurry axe ;) )
for my 3x Shammies, I chose Tauren primarily for the 3x warstomp
I had originally planned to make my shammies:
Tauren (leader) 2xOrcs 2xtrolls
This was purely for the "looks".
But my end goal is to do Arenas. And part of that is making it hard for teams to pick a focused target without mods.
So my team needed to look identical, and have names that are the same number of letters, started and ended with the same letters, and sounded the same when spoken on vent.
Thundah
Thundoh
Thunduh
Thundeh
Thnudah
As for Tauren, I have a special place in my heart for them, and my main "Boom" is a tauren warrior. And while you can zoom your camera out (I use Improved Camera Mod too) that has nothing to do with the rest of your surroundings. Gnomes are still tiny, hallways in instances are still small, etc. You're not always playing outside against tauren sized opponents.
I personally like Blood Fury better than Warstop.
Boom
My main reason for choosing Orc Female was for the look as well. After thinking through all of this though, Tauren actually might of solved the #1 issue I'm having in Arena's which is keeping LoS. I need 4 seconds ~ ish to guarantee death on any target. If I could weave something to hold the target in place long enough, mission accomplished.
Damn... now I need to go re-roll :P
Maby a fromst mage wud help here? but then again 3 shammys and a mage inst as cool :SQuote:
Originally Posted by Ellay
Has anyone thought seriously about Trolls? I think they look better than Orcs, and I don't want to play Tauren because they would produce such a large target.
The haste racial on Troll seems good, and in BGs it seems like a mini heroism. do they stack with heroism/bloodlust??
I think 4x Raptors = win too.
I rolled 4 x Tauren Shaman on Saturday, quested them up to level 8, RFC to 15, WC to 20 and now grinding out SM Cath till 35 using my huntard. I believe the War Stomp is going to help a lot more in PvP because its always a bitch when you get some guy in the middle of your group slapping one of your toons about. As for Taurens being big and easy to spot as a target....thats what you want isnt it? Totem up the surrounding area and let them bring it on :) I should have got into this a long time ago, i used to do it in EQ but never thought it would work in WoW. :)
I still prefer Tauren females, they are smaller than the males and have the best synchronised dance!
I KNEW this thread looked familiar! ;)
All your horde racials are so much more OP for PvP compared to us poor alliance. :(
I get a hit aura racial that doesn't even stack, and a holy school HoT that's only useful for tempting out a kick from an over-zealous rogue (holy school ftw).
:whistling: I still think ORC racial are much better for pvp. I rolled 5 orc (males) In BGs they are smaller tragets than cows. they also fit into places a lot easyer than cows. following can be a pain with cows. Its hard to hide a cow. Anyways both races are great. I just prefer orcs. when a war or rogue start hitting you the orc racials are soo nice. Then again we all know that Orcs are the true Horde.
I think the orc racials (esp. blood fury) are nice in PvP/Arena. The only thing I might suggest is that a Tauren+Multi-Orcs might be nice for the "conceal your numbers" perspective.
I have 4 Orcs, mainly because my original shaman is an orc, but I don't regret it. Being compact/smallish on the battlefield is a nice bonus, plus it's like an extra 1000ish damage on your 4xEM+NS+Trinket+Racial+CL combo of doom!
Orc vs Tuaren is a tough choice. Personally, I can't stand the size of male tuarens and female tuarens make me want to gouge my eyes out.
I'll rolled 4x Male orc shamans but I'm wondering if it would be worth it to roll male tuaren despite my hatred of their size.
I haven't boxed with shamans in arena so this is all theory craft.
My take on Warstomp vs Blood Fury (taken mostly from solo play)
Blood Fury is great for that extra burst damage (+143 damage x 4) but with (EM + CL + NS) x 4 aren't you doing 12-14k damage to your target anyways? Especially when followed by 4 shocks. The healing debuff doesn't usually bother me in arenas (have a orc lock and hunter) because if I'm being focused, 90% of the time I'm going to have Mortal Strike, Aimed Shot or Flametounge debuff on me anyways. The 15% stun resist is nice but unreliable, my orc warlock still gets stun locked by skilled rogues.
Warstomp (2 sec aoe stun)
Only CC available to shamans in arena but they share diminishing returns now. This was incredible before they put a DR factor into active stuns. Have only used this with a resto / boomkin druid. Two seconds is a very long time in pvp and would give ample time to interrupt damage or heals or even get your shamans to face that annoying rogue behind you. Once diminishing returns comes into play, 3 warstomps in succession would equal a 3.5 seconds (2 sec, 1 sec, .5 sec stun). Would take some micromanagement to pull that off though.
Wondering if 2 orc / 2 tuaren would work out best ... but then it loses some of the dramatic effect of 4 boxing. ?(
I've got 4 trolls, love the emerald raptors. The haste racial is pretty good, I have it macro'd into my lightning bolt button to use it whenever it's up. It's not why I rolled Trolls, I did that for looks, but it's a decent perk.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mokoi',index.php?page=Thread&postID=48257#post482 57
So I went with 4 female (smaller profile) tauren for the 4x warstomp which has proved very useful so far in dealing with spastic rogues/wars I haven't run into a situation where i ran into diminishing returns issues there since they tend to explode as soon as i have them stuck in one spot for a moment. The extra hps from the STA racial are nice too when you're a fresh 70 and a bit squishy still but really not a make or break thing.
Cons: Not sure I really dig all the armor skins though which is a little sad.
Orcs all the way! The stun resist is oh so seksi, but the Blood Furry = PURE PWNAGE it increases your burst dmg by some astronomical number.
Think I'm going to reroll my orc shamans to tuaren (only 20 on stasis till work dies down). War Stomp seems to have so many more uses both defensive and offensive. I personally can't imagine myself trying to nuke someone who is constantly LOSing and kiting me while multi-boxing. It is hard enough doing this while controlling only 1 character but 5.
at 70 many toons run with 350-400 plus resilance = resists many war stomps. have a passive skill to resist stuns is much better. if you want stuns make them engineers and then you have both
Female orcs have the sexiest dance, multiple by 5 and it never fails to get a comment lol.
Not sure if I understand you stealthy, how would resilience cause war stomp (or any stun) to resist? War Stomp does resist frequently though like all active racial abilities. I can't count how many times my blood elf paladin's arcane torrent resisted when I needed it most. Too bad engineers can't use bombs in arena =/
I have two orcs (hunter & warlock) and the passive stun resist is hardly noticeable. I'm more hard pressed to give up Blood Fury. I think at the end I'll go for looks / armor skins.
[quote='Zuxto',index.php?page=Thread&postID=48567#p ost48567]Not sure if I understand you stealthy, how would resilience cause war stomp (or any stun) to resist? War Stomp does resist frequently though like all active racial abilities. I can't count how many times my blood elf paladin's arcane torrent resisted when I needed it most. Too bad engineers can't use bombs in arena =/
I have two orcs (hunter & warlock) and the passive stun resist is hardly noticeable. I'm more hard pressed to give up Blood Fury. I think at the end I'll go for looks / armor skins.[/quote]
I think you meant Jaws5, not me heheh :)
But yeah I don't think resilience affects resistance to stuns, from Wowwiki:
1% [b]Resilience[/b] will:[*]Reduce chance to be [url='http://www.wowwiki.com/Crit']crit[/url] by 1% [*]Reduce damage from all crits by 2% [*]Reduce damage from DoTs by 1% [*]39.4 resilience rating per 1% resilience at level 70
Cheers,
Stealthy
Start lvling them up and then re-roll come wotlk since all the gear you have on your orcs isn't going to matter ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ellay',index.php?page=Thread&postID=17605#post176 05
Yes, you would be doing that much damage. However, in PvP against targets with high resilience, your crit amounts will be a fair percentage less. Every little bit of extra +Damage helps!Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zuxto',index.php?page=Thread&postID=48403#post484 03
Yeah sorry Stealthy, meant to reply to Jaws5. =P
I tried rolling 4 tuaren male shamans and my god, I could barely see anything but thick juicy cow hide. Think I'll save myself the sanity and stick with orc.
I guess I have been lucky with my Orcs I check combat logs and I do resist stuns about 15 percent of time. A passive skill is always better than a have to cast one. I do not play arena's only BGS so in that reference ORC> cows