Drop enchanting on my tank?

My Pally tank for my team used to be my main. Professions are Mining/Enchanting. Mining is a must but Im considerning dropping enchanting for JC...mainly for the craftable trinkets and the little bit of revenue that comes with JC. My Enchanting is only at 325...just enough to DE and will prob never be lvled unless I have unlimited gold and have bought everything for my team. So, is it worth it to drop Enchanting on my main, lvl JC, than lvl Enchanting again on one of my Shammies so I have the DE option?

Problem I have is none of my 4 shammies have a profession currenty, so at some point I need to lvl skinning with one and herb with another(and then maybe ench on another). That leaves at least 1 open prof on each shammie. I have a mage that is currently maxed out in Alch, so no need for that profession besided maybe getting the trinket. So what useful profession would I then pick up on every shammie? Would the JC trinket be useful and worth it to lvl JC on each toon?

I've got the Pally/4xShammy setup, and I wish I started out with BS/JC on the tank and spreading the other skills to the shammies: mine/skin, herb/alch, insc/lw, ench/tail. The extra stats given by the BS/JC combo are better than having mining/nodes on your main. (Which is why I'm currently a BS/Engineer on my pally tank.. but I've come to realize Engineering just doesn't have the benefit of JC in WotLK.)

I personally would not have chosen enchanting for the main tank.
enchanting doesn't have any specialty items (enchanting only) that benifit a tank, those specialty items benifit a spell caster more than anything.

I would suggest blacksmithing because at level 400 you can add sockets to your bracers and your gloves and make belt buckles that add sockets to anyones belt.
not to mention that BS makes some wicked tank helm and shield as well as a very good spell casting mace ( and some good intermediate shields ) for your shaman.

as for the jc trinkets or the alchemy trinkets... they are good but not the best in the game.

for a purely money making perspective JC daily rewards is worth a pretty penny on the AH right now, not sure how much it will be worth in the future.
you can make some great JC rings and gems are always nice.

you need to get skinning/leatherworking on one of you shaman. the leatherworking mail gear has some awsome chest & feet gear for your mail wearer as well as a bracer +69 spell buff ( leatherworker only )

Normally I would say yes, get rid of Enchanting but...ouch, enchanting costs by far the most to level or takes the longest to level, and getting rid of it would cause me severe pain.

But yeah, the good news is you can keep mining since the +50stam/500hp is a great tank buff, and just drop enchanting for JC.

JC is also one of the fastest and cheapest professions to level (the mats cost a lot around the 265-300 range but other than that they're really cheap and easy to get).

So its up to you whether you should drop enchanting or not - the bottom line is right now JC provides AWESOME benefits for anyone (tank or not), but after you get epic trinkets, and after new epic gems come out the benefits might not be as stark. But of course JC right now can also make you ~200g a day in about 60 seconds doing the daily :)

My main is leatherworking/skinning. Works for me. *shrug*. She's a druid,it benefits her. I also have an enchanter/tailor, and an inscriptor/herb (lock and mage), and my rogue, who's starting to level, is JC/mining.

My next team is probably going to be my two shaman and something else, probably a pally. The shaman are eng/blacksmithing and mining/open, so I'm going to have the pally mining and blacksmithing, and make the shaman gather everything, and engineering.

Well, I picked up mining/enchanting when I first started the game about a year ago. Mats for lvling got so expensive that I stayed at 300 for about 8 months....about 2 weeks ago i finally lvled it to de wrath gear. But from the comments here, I am going to drop Ench for JC...if that process is not that painful then I might pic it up on each shammy. Is there a required lvl for the JC daily?

Dropping Mining for BS....that is one I might get to later on.

Leatherworking....I have a friend that can craft the epic chest/boots for free with my mats.....so is the sp buff alone worth it?

Not sure if the JC daily has a requirement of level but it requires JC 375. Level maybe 70 (but you get it from Dalaran so you need to be able to get to Dalaran).

If you don't farm the mats yourself it can still cost a lot to level JC - I think I spent 2500g per char that I leveled it on, but compared to BS or Enchanting thats nothing.

Another benefit to the BS/JC combo being the best overall.. for any character:
- Extra sockets for gems (BS BoP).
- Extra 3 unique-equipped epic gems (JC BoP) that are prismatic, so the meta gem requirements are MUCH easier to satisfy while still maintaining your optimal gem loadout.
Both of the above combined makes BS/JC a step ahead of any other two professions. Go ahead.. do the math given all other gear being equal.

you can't drop mining, how would you feed your Blacksmithing or Jewel Crafting ?

as for enchanting. when you start a JC feed all of the items you make to your you enchanter to D/E
same for the leatherworker, make only disenchantable green items whenever possible and feed those to your new enchanter.
if you make tailor, same thing.

I assume your team is over level 70....
when you get your enchanter to the level he needs upper level old school, run scholo or those instances in West/East plaguelands and get those enchanter supplies there ( you can rerun those over and over )
when you get your enchanter to the level he needs upper level BC items, no problem, you can run those instances in no time as well. you can run them heroic as well as non-heroic.
non heroics you can run back to back. pick one you like. Botanica has a large number bosses.

NO! Don't drop it!

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You can put 24 stamina on each ring with enchanting. That's perfectly good enough. By being level 325 you're only 25 points away from being able to skill up from WOTLK materials, and you're past the worst part which is 1-300, especially the last 20 levels of it. What profession is going to give you something much better than that? JC is only the "best" because it gives you more options to add extra stats and for the daily, but a boxer makes a lot of money doing shared dailies; the JC daily is only a big deal for a boxer if all your characters can share it.

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Originally Posted by 'Catamer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=173098#post 173098

you can't drop mining, how would you feed your Blacksmithing or Jewel Crafting ?

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You spend a day powerleveling mining on one of the shammies.

Well, it looks like BS/mining can at least help me out for the time being. I just scanned the Ah to compare cost for mats for the Titansteel guardian/bonecrusher. If i bought all the mats to make 1 mace it woud cost 1058G....cheapest bonecrusher(out of 8 )on the AH was 1800G. Then if I smelt my own titansteel bars, I would save 50G per bar.....bringing the total mat cost down to 758G. I understand it would cost a good bit to lvl BS on my main. But from the prices on the AH currently, I would save prob 500-1000G per mace to make these myself. Now considering I was thinking about buying 4 guardians and 1 bonecrusher.....that saving would be 2500-5000G. Then when you bring in the fact that i can also craft my epic helm/boots, extra gem slots......it just seems BS/mining might be a solid cobination of my team.

Now this is all based off of 1800G for the bonecrusher, which could be high. I have not actually researched prices before today.

Er....

Or you could do the same thing without leveling BS at all and just have a BS make them for you for a 50g tip (12.5g per mace)... why level BS just to make yourself a BoE item? Thats thousands and thousands of gold to level BS to save 50g??

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Originally Posted by 'Hachoo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=173081#post1 73081

Normally I would say yes, get rid of Enchanting but...ouch, enchanting costs by far the most to level or takes the longest to level, and getting rid of it would cause me severe pain.

But yeah, the good news is you can keep mining since the +50stam/500hp is a great tank buff, and just drop enchanting for JC.

JC is also one of the fastest and cheapest professions to level (the mats cost a lot around the 265-300 range but other than that they're really cheap and easy to get).

So its up to you whether you should drop enchanting or not - the bottom line is right now JC provides AWESOME benefits for anyone (tank or not), but after you get epic trinkets, and after new epic gems come out the benefits might not be as stark. But of course JC right now can also make you ~200g a day in about 60 seconds doing the daily :)

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JC isn't the cheapest at least on my server. I easily dropped over 6000g on leveling it. Most of it was for mats pre-BC level. Lower level mats are outrageously priced on Mag.

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Originally Posted by 'blast3r',index.php?page=Thread&postID=173133#post 173133

JC isn't the cheapest at least on my server. I easily dropped over 6000g on leveling it. Most of it was for mats pre-BC level. Lower level mats are outrageously priced on Mag.

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I agree.. the only professions more difficult for me to level was BS and Engineering. Enchanting isn't too bad if you have tailoring.. turn all cloth into greens & DE. As a 5-boxer, enchanting is cake with all the instance runs. I'd rate the professions in this order for difficulty/time/cost:
Blacksmithing > Engineering > Jewelcrafting > Leatherworking > Enchanting > Inscription > Alchemy > Tailoring > Mining > Herbalism > Skinning

Note: I'm not factoring in the specializations or learning every recipe.. just in overall cost to get that profession skilled up.

Blacksmithing & Leatherworking suck based on the massive number of mats required for 1 skill point.. like 12 Thorium bars (24 ore) = 1 skill point.

Keep in mind the next major content patch will radically alter some professions probably, it always happens. Right now JC is top and many, many people are dumping their profession for it, Blizzard doesn't want it to become a "mandatory" profession so they will probably buff other profs to compensate. Inscription is pretty much a joke right now as far as professions go, so it will probably get a big boost. We will probably start seeing early patch 3.1 (3.2?) notes in late February.

That said for a tank I think the two combos that really only make sense are JC/mining or JC/BS. Both are fairly similar, with JC/mining a LOT easier to level (like 20x easier and cheaper). I'm alchy/mining on my pally tank, and my level 60 DK tank is JC/BS.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if mining gives +500 health and enchanting you can have +48 stamina from two ring enchants, then wouldn't enchanting be preferable for a pally tank with kings?

Here is my current plan:
Pally tank: enchanting, mining
Owls: JC, TBD
Shaman healer: TBD

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Originally Posted by 'Owltoid',index.php?page=Thread&postID=173161#post 173161

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if mining gives +500 health and enchanting you can have +48 stamina from two ring enchants, then wouldn't enchanting be preferable for a pally tank with kings?

Here is my current plan:
Pally tank: enchanting, mining
Owls: JC, TBD
Shaman healer: TBD

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Nope, you're right. The advice to drop enchanting IMO was a little silly. I'd keep it up simply based on the cost of releveling it on another toon. The OP will get a lot more benefit overall by leveling professions on his other toons.

BTW, although not SUPER fast, you can actually level mining on multiple toons at once for the stamina boost - at least in prior patches you could simply not loot the mined resource and everyone in your group can get one skill-up per node. That makes it about the most economical and efficient profession to boost multiple toons.

Also, if you want to max your tank compared to your other toons, blacksmithing is a better option than mining, with the extra sockets you get the benefit of Kings again on your stamina jewels; plus the bonus sockets will scale immediately if epic gems are released as anticipated in the future. OTOH, if you want mining on your main so you can conveniently see nodes, that's cool.

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NO! Don't drop it!

http://thottbot.com/s59636

You can put 24 stamina on each ring with enchanting. That's perfectly good enough. By being level 325 you're only 25 points away from being able to skill up from WOTLK materials, and you're past the worst part which is 1-300, especially the last 20 levels of it. What profession is going to give you something much better than that? JC is only the "best" because it gives you more options to add extra stats and for the daily, but a boxer makes a lot of money doing shared dailies; the JC daily is only a big deal for a boxer if all your characters can share it.

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This is money all my shammies are JC's so I made/make a ton of cash each day regardless of my playtime. It also allows me to concentrate more on Heroics/Raiding then farming for money even with shared dailies it still takes time, which I sometimes don't have alot of.

I didn't even think about it (because I'm new to pally tanking) but the +48 stamina would also help with pally tank's "Touched by Light" talent which increases spell power by an amount equal to 30% of stamina (for an increase of 14.4 SP). Not much, but a little help.

Also, I wasnt suggesting that enchanting is better than JC, but rather noting that if currently you have enchanting & mining and are looking to drop one for JC, then assuming you have another miner in the group a pally tank would be better off with enchanting than mining.

Funny...I have JC on 2 chars (tank + 1 shaman) but now that I'm thinking about it and reading this thread again I think I'm going to take it on all 3 of my other shamans as well, just for the +32 SP gems and JC daily for cash :D

JC = Three +41 stam gems. Also, the JC-only trinkets. I have Crab and Hare with +24 stam gems installed (that's like 2,000 health just in trinket slots).

I have zero pieces of Naxx gear and I have 32k health, 25k armor, 545 defense. Heck, I don't even have many heroic drops either... mostly crafted epics (although they're pretty good).

I love JC as a pally tank.

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Originally Posted by 'Heenan',index.php?page=Thread&postID=173190#post1 73190

JC = Three +41 stam gems. Also, the JC-only trinkets. I have Crab and Hare with +24 stam gems installed (that's like 2,000 health just in trinket slots).

I have zero pieces of Naxx gear and I have 32k health, 25k armor, 545 defense. Heck, I don't even have many heroic drops either... mostly crafted epics (although they're pretty good).

I love JC as a pally tank.

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Sorry, I'm at work or else I'd look up the info myself, but for those 3 +41 stam gems what is the incremental increase over a non-JC stamina gem choice?

For example, if the slots could have been filled with 3 38 stam gems then you're really only gaining 9 stamina overall. (this is just an example as my question is how much increase are those JC gems giving over non-JC gems)

Non JC = 24 Stamina
JC gets 3x 41 Stamina Gems. And these 3 alone fullfill all Meta Gem requirements.

Bleh, I don't use the 41 stam gems - kind of a waste as I have too much stam already. I use 3 +27 dodge gems since theres currently almost no way to get a straight +dodge blue gem in WotLK. I believe they added subtle scarlet ruby pattern as a world BoE drop in 3.0.8 but no one on my server has it yet.

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Originally Posted by 'Hor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=173203#post1732 03

Non JC = 24 Stamina
JC gets 3x 41 Stamina Gems. And these 3 alone fullfill all Meta Gem requirements.

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Yep, it comes out as +51 stamina ahead of non-JC, which is about right considering the non-JC could be a miner for 500hp. However, stam is boosted by Kings, and JC gets the benefit with meta gems. Overall, JC is a huge increase, especially when you combine it with the extra sockets of BS to hold future epic gem drops.

Wow, it looks like JC is the best prof for tanks

I'm not sure I dare go for 5x JC, but it does seem to be a good one.

mining (as of patch 3.08) is +50 sta, not +500 hp. sta always is better since it scales with kings, just like str is better than raw AP for warrs/paladins/etc.

Don't discount the power of prismatic JC-only gems as well. Especially when you start, and as you gear up, being able to pop in some very powerful gems and have it count as EVERY color (to fit meta-gem requirements) is insanely good. For example, my mage is a tailor/enchanter, and yesterday I got 4/5 T7.5. To use the meta-gem I want however, the +21 crit/3% crit boost, I need 2 blue gems. I have 0... blue gems on my gear. I had to go in and replace two of my +19 spell dmg gems with +9sp/+12sta in order to get the meta-gem to activate, losing 20 spell dmg.

For a tank its even more crazy, since at the start hitting the 535/540 def cap can be hard, and having 3 +27 def gems that match any socket is crazy. As you gear up you sometimes may need to toss in more defense or more stamina or more expertise or whatever, and having those choices from JC is great.

yes, enchanting +24x2 sta is good, but it is no shape or form anywhere close to as powerful as JC's prismatic gems, which scale insanely great no matter whether you just turned 80 or have the best item in every slot.

everything aside, mining would be better to drop as its easier to lvl on another char. if you want to get rid of both and move on to something like BS/JC, enchanting really isnt that hard to lvl until you start getting above 375. so, you can easily put it on another char and farm lower lvl instances. when i picked it up, i lvled it pretty close to max with just a couple days work.

one thing i suggest is while you have mining, visit a profession lvling guide, find out what mats youll need to zerg your new prof, and then collect everything before you drop it. it takes awhile to gather everything (especially thorium...need approx 490 bars for BS and its hard as hell to find alot of), so start saving now.