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Anyone got any 60-68 multiboxing leveling tips? (EZ MODE) I wanna do this quickly and as smoothly as possible with the number of characters to maintain. :(
Do I need to rely on boosting? Grinding? Quests? Instance runs?
In other words, what is everyone doing now with their fresh 60's from RAF to make them 80? The surplus on 60's is just insane, so any help would be really sweet. I really hate to see fresh 60's looking blankly at me at the character select. :cursing:
Seems kill quests are the best idea. Skip anything that requires looting or other weird requirements. I did 60-65 pretty fast doing Hellfire, Zang and then Terrokar. I did not collect anything and rarely looted (I want this to go as fast as possible, so sick of the TBC content.) Nagrand should easily get you a couple levels+
Another idea I had was that since I bought the heirloom weps and shoulders for my DKs I thought maybe I should just instance grind. I get 10% more xp and I dont have to deal with 80s trying to gank me and I avoid doing lots of running around. However Im sure that would get old fast =/
i agree ... i just hit 70 with all 5 of my toons. I tried many different things to make 60-70 go as fast as possible over the past month, but questing was by FAR the fastest route. I've got a decent instance running team (1xpally, 1xpriest, 3xmage) but could not nearly match the xp of questing - maybe others who know the instances well, and have more experience can, but I couldn't come close. I even tried AOE grinding, but unless you have a ton of rested xp and a large group that repops fast, its no good either.
/agree with multibocks - Skip collection quests - they are a MAJOR pain with 5. I would suggest doing them with 2, "maybe" 3, but it's still a time waster, as there are other quests that will level you faster. When i lvl my other team from 60-80, it will be all questing.
You need questhelper and tomtom addons for sure. go to a new area, grab all the quests, then use quest helper and tom tom to plot your route on the map efficiently.
With the xp reduction you can safely skip the collection quests in outland. The same cannot be said for northrend. In wrath it seems a collection component is mandatory for every major quest chain including the mandatory ones to open the rep dailies.
I suggest questing in Outland until at least 70, 71 preferably if you can stand the wait to get to northrend. There are plenty of non-collection quests to do in Outland that this is not even as irritating as it sounds and it will let you skip all but the essential collection quests in Northrend. If you do both start zones, all the zones in the middle and both end zones you should level fast without fear of running out of quests even if you have to skip large sections of quest chains because of the collection component.
mmm, for me, i actually had fairly good results with instance grinding. (keep in mind, I only did this when I had fully rested xp bars, but as I was juggling half a dozen teams at the time, I always had at least 1 or 2 teams that had a full bar of blue xp) on average it took me about 35min to 1 hour for a run, depending on the dungeon, and I usually got anywhere from 1/3rd to 2/5th of a level per run. Combined with doing the xp from doing the quests for the instances, I usually averaged a level every 4 to 4.5 hours after factoring in time to repair, sell, and run to where I needed to go.
To put it in perspective, I was usually getting on average of 1k xp per kill, groups of usually 3-5 per pull. killing a group normally took about maybe a minute including setup time. for the most part I chain pulled needing no time to drink or rest (pally group, dk group, shammy group, I'm looking at you guys :p ) So was getting something like maybe 20k xp every 10 minutes sustained. (looting slowed me down) This is all going off memory so some of the math might be off. All I knew was that usually when i looked at my /played I usually dinged next level well before the 5 hours mark.
It's probably not the fastest exp/hour, but it's easy and mindless and it's a nice supplement to doing all the easy kill quests.
good luck! :)
Instance/quest grinding should both be pretty fast. Quest reward experience was boosted prior to WotLK release, so that Outland quests that used to reward ~9000-12000 exp now give you ~20000-25000+ experience. Skip the ones that take too long (collection quests, obviously) and grab as many kill quests and quests that the group completes at once (such as escort quests).
Instance grinding is also good because the exp rate is pretty high compared to grinding on non-elites, plus you're not interrupted (which is of particular concern on a PvP server). I think some people used Blood Furnace to level to 68 since it's a pretty fast and pretty easy instance to run, but I haven't tried it as a level-appropriate group (I've been PLing with my 80 hunter).
This is false. Quest XP in outland did not change, the requirements to level from 60-70 were lowered, thats all. You will still get 10-15k XP per quest in outland and 20-25k xp per quest in northrend. Based on this and the fact that the mobs will give more xp in northrend and you'll get more money and better rewards from quests, you will still level faster in northrend from 69 or so up even doing collection quests then you would doing kill quests in outland, and you'll get more money and rewards to boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Tonuss',index.php?page=Thread&postID=167726#post1 67726
I would have to say stay in outlands as long as humanly possible. The XP / hr of northrend didn't start competing with outlands until 72. Northrend has a very annoying habit of making you do 2 quests at a time to unlock the next two. Theres not much "pick up the whole town's quests and go" This bottlenecked me pretty bad until I hit 72 and the XP just outscaled outlands all together. I was getting 400k+ /hr not rested in netherstorm and it dropped to about 350k avg in howling fjord.
Instance grinding with Rest is pretty competitive with Questing in Outlands for 60-70. If you know the TBC quests super well and you don't run into PvP issues, you can probably eek out more XP/hour questing. Blood Furnace is a spectacular instance to grind in, as previously mentioned. I'd personally recommend:
- doing the easy Hellfire quest chains,
- spending some time in Ramparts/Blood Furnace to knock out the juicy Dungeon Quests associated with them'
- continue questing in Zangarmarsh (which I hate) or run Blood Furnace until you hit your mid-60s
- quest in Nagrand, the mother of all kill-quest zones,
- try another quest zone or start farming Mana Tombs, if your team can take it (I like mana tombs for its low-HP caster mobs and relative ease... it's great XP/hour, like Blood Furnace)
- stay in Outlands to quest as long as possible to avoid PvP, or jump to Northrend at 68 to start questing
Northrend instances may be tough at first for a team of 68-70s with non uber gear. (This depends on your group makeup, however)
I really, really, really liked instance runs for levelling in WotLK, but I play on a PvP server and don't like being interrupted when I'm trying to level. I probably did 50/50 questing/instances from 70-75, and leveled almost exclusively in instances from L75-80. (I am questing with my team at L80 to rake in cash for mounts, now). Upside of instance running is that you can pick and choose which instances you want to run and accumulate a pretty good set of blue dungeon drops for your team. You have the flexibility to farm only the bosses you might need-- I ran Halls of Stone 30-40 times and just killed the first boss or two until my team of hunters all had the gear drops they needed, can't do that in a normal group so easily...
I can't really give you a comparison or even try to offer advice since I've been instance grinding since RFC but I'll give you an Idea of how things are going for me.
I've been doing strictly instance grinding since hitting Outlands minus the instance quests that I've grabbed and it seems pretty decent. It slows down once you hit 66ish which is were I'm at right now. For me It usually takes 2-3 wipes to learn how to box the bosses once I get that I start speed runs. I'm running crypts right now which is a little below me and have been getting ~700xp per kill. I'm getting ~7-8 percent of my level per run. Gear wise some of my toons are still sitting in gear from SFK and other pre tbc instances.
I'm not sure I'd consider this the easiest way to 68 but it is a lot more fun than questing for me. Oh I did do the intro quest minus collection quest when I hit hellfire for some starting gear.
My mages are 53 so I will be ready to go into outlands very soon. From what I've gathered questing will be your fastest option. If you do hellfire, zangar, and terrokar, you should be ready to hit northrend by halfway through nagrand. That's my plan anyway.
I did most of Hellfire, Zangarmarsh and Nagrand non-collection quests (and some easy collection quests) and hit 70. I also ran normal instances about 20 times.
So, you have a lot of flexibility on which quests to take since you can easily hit 70 before you even set foot in half the zones in Outland.
I'm not going to go so far to say that I'm embarrassed by my (lack of) leveling, but it's going along nicely and professions are all pretty much either out of Vanilla WoW content, or they're almost into Northrend content. Also, my mixed group just hit 68. My priest/lock group is not quite 72, but that's because I've barely done anything in Northrend with them. My druid group has one at 70 and the others catching up. Currently, they're not going anywhere quickly since I'm playing around with speccing them and picking up Outlands professions materials (read: leather and ore - tailoring and enchanting are up to Northrend levels on my mixed group).
Here's how I'm doing it - The priest/lock group and the druid group are going to do questing and PvE world grinding when a nice spot (read: benefits my mixed group somehow to have mats from this area) presents itself. The mixed group did quests mostly through Zangarmarsh to 64 (didn't go to Outlands until 60) and has instanced the whole way to 68. They're going to keep instancing until 70 and then do kill quests to the point where Outlands doesn't have them anymore. Why? They're easy and there is money involved (hundreds of gold on each character).
I really like instances for leveling and gearing. Each of my mixed group characters is more powerful (in terms of where each class should be) at this point than my first 70 (a druid) ever was or likely will be. I plan that Northrend, aside from the intouctory zone quests, is going to be mostly the same leveling pattern as Outland has been.
As an aside, I'm really loving the Deathknight as a tank. When the patch comes out, my Unholy Blight is practically going to be spammable. Also, I'll have access to a new rune that give 25 defense. And if that's not good enough, the Death Knight ends up doing five thousand damage to targets that my group is not even attacking. I'll switch to lesser priority mobs and find that their health has dropped enough from my AoE attacks that my DPSers can spam away without worry.
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Originally Posted by 'Boylston',index.php?page=Thread&postID=167767#pos t167767
Boylston, I'm thinking of doing the same thing as you are doing, and I actually can run the exact same group composition as your sigs if needed. 2 questions for you if you have the time :)
1) how long did it take you to level with rested on average? 3 runs? 4? 5? how long per run? any wotlk instance better for grinding in than others? (like the bf recommendation for TBC earlier in this thread)
2) you said ease of the run varies with group makeup (obviously) in your experience, if you can make up a dream team for instance running, what would you recommend?
nice group setup? good aoe tank and loads of aoe, that should speed things up conciderably ;)
im just after the 60-68 grind and i done it just by questing HP>Zangarmarsh>Terrok>Nagrand>Blades Edge and was about 4-5 hrs a lvl. Im not sure if thats good but i was happy with it. Just skip the nasty collection quests(remeber in zangarmarsh there are a good few collection quests that have tradeable objectives(ie.unidetified plant parts,fertile spores,bog lord tenticles,mature spore sacs) i just collected 5x amount on main and traded over to clones before handin.
I mightve missed it but if not id also like to add one more point in favor of instance grinding.
It is often the case that there are 1 or 2 awesome items you can get from a quest that will last you a long while. However, as a rule, instance loot will always trump quest loot. Youll get a lot of crap doing instance grinding (have a DEer with you) but your peeps will also get some of the best items availalbe for their level as they level up.
Anyways, just a thought.
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Originally Posted by 'echo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=167979#post167 979
Oh, it'll take longer than just 5 runs of anything at any point. I don't know exactly how many runs of a given instance it would take. By "run", you may also change that to mean the path you are intending to clear, not necessarily a full clear. I would often bop into an instance, kill 1-2 bosses, then reset and keep on going. The goal was really getting the blue dungeon drops my characters needed, not completing the dungeon. I killed Maiden of Sorrow in Halls of Stone 26 times to get cloaks for my hunters, but only did the whole instance 8 times. Here are some good grind-out-XP instances for my team in WotLK:
Nexus (I like this better than Utgarde Keep, personally. UK isn't necessarily bad, though)
Drak'tharon
Gundrak
Halls of Stone
Nexus has loops that make it easy to clear and exit in a hurry. I generally skipped last boss. Gundrak and HoS are similar in that they are non-linear. I farmed Nexus until 74-75, Drak'tharon until around 77, and used Gundrak and Halls of Stone for 77-80. Use Wowhead to find good blue drops for your team and concentrate on the instances that drop them.
That's a hard question to answer without knowing your eventual goals. Healer+4xHunters is a breeze to run instances with for leveling, but then it hits a bit of a hard wall for doing Heroics. If heroics is your goal then you probably would prefer a bona fide Tank+Healer+DPS setup. If heroics is your goal, yet you still want to PvP with some/all of your team, then it's hard to go wrong with a 4xShaman+Tank setup. 5xDruids is very flexible as well, and is starting to get some attention in the community. If all you want to do is Heroics and no PvP, you might get maximum class synergy out of a Pally+Shaman+Mage+Warlock+Boomkin setup (or any number of other synergistic ranged DPS setups).Quote:
Originally Posted by 'echo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=167979#post167 979
Gotta know your eventual PvE and PvP goals before I can really recommend anything.