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I had originally planned to put enchanting on all 4 of my toons as I leveled up in hopes of snatching all the lost coin from disenchanting the bound quest items and cycled loot...however, now that I have gotten one of the 4 toons to almost 300, Im starting to wonder if its really worth the price of getting 375 enchanting on all toons. This stuff gets damned pricey areound 300...
I know Im missing out on some enchant matts if I decide not to enchant all 4... but is it enough to justify the cost?
No.
'no' is such a crappy answer. but it is correct. there are no cooldowns on enchant spells that i am aware of. just make sure you have an enchanter to give out enchantments and to disenchant what gear you collect from trash. An enchanter on each team would be helpful.
Would you like a 10-page essay? He's already aware of the issues and seems to just be looking for confirmation. If not, he would have asked more.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'blast3r',index.php?page=Thread&postID=161941#post 161941
The answer should fit the question.
before wotlk i would have said go for it because i got 700g+ in mats (at least on my realm that is what they sold for) for 60-70 in TBC. dropped enchanting though so i would not know about wotlk, i imagine mat prices for those kinds of mats probably have dropped a little but its hard to say. oh and i only had to have 275 enchanting to DE everything in TBC, or at least all the quest rewards that i got. the main professions you want when leveling up are mining and herb, so long as you have at least those you can level up the others at another time, just save all the mats you get on a banking alt.
hope this has helped some. ^_^
~Yo-Yo Freak
Well actually I was throwing out my hypothesis on why I believed it wasnt worth it, I was hoping for either justification for why its a good idea, or someone backing me up in my idea being correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'algol',index.php?page=Thread&postID=161944#post16 1944
I got what I was looking for though, thx.
Count me in for one of those. Take a look at the total mats it would take to level, then at the total changes of gear a character will have. The numbers are nowhere NEAR close to each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'PyrostasisTDK',index.php?page=Thread&postID=16194 6#post161946
That sounds good and all but I got way more than 700g from just selling quest rewards from 60-70 in BC. Solo boxing 60-70 netted me something like 1500g from selling quest rewards on my rogue.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Yo-Yo Freak',index.php?page=Thread&postID=161945#post161 945
It all depends if the ring enchants are worth it to you. +19 spell power on each ring on each enchanter at enchanting 400. Farming mats in BC to get to 375 isn't too terrible. The ring enchants are the only reason I'd see for going enchanting on all of them.
I level to 400 enchanting on my main guy. Other 3 are still 320-380 enchanting, hate working with enchanting >< but the ring enchants are awesome compared to other professions.
well i level my character with enchanting from 60-70 right after patch 3.0 (before wotlk was actually released) and they cut the exp per level almost in half so i did a lot less quests then when i had level my main from 60-70, don't remember what i got from selling quest rewards back then. i think it was 700g from DEing i can't remember exactly, it may have been more like 900-1,100g or so. i think i also used a bunch of the mats on an alt. it all whent straight to my 70 mount though lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hachoo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=161955#post1 61955
i would just say don't go for enchanting on all, just 1. from what i remember the gain wouldn't be much, if any, to outweigh the loss of training to ~300+ IMO.
jewel crafting x 5.
JC is indeed the "best" profession in WOTLK, due to the big self-buffs and the easy daily that can generate hundreds of gold for dragon eyes. No other prof really comes close.
I love however having just about every profession covered on my team, and when I level my DK he will be a BS to fill in the last slot I didn't do. 90% of the drops you get are going to be boe greens so you only need one person to DE them -- blue dream shards aren't worth much, most of the time its better vendoring blues than DEing them. I love being able to make anything i need without having to look for someone in trade chat (and worry if they will rip me off) and its great harvesting herbs and mining nodes as I run around daily.
I'd recommend at minimum 1x mining, 1x herbalism, 1x enchanter, 1x Leatherworker+skinner, 1x tailor. Then maybe 3-5 JCs and throw in inscription, blacksmithing and engineering if possible.
Keep in mind as well there will be new patterns in the future, maybe that probably are faction rep based or instance drops.
youd have to expend 4x the mats to lvl it on all toons. instead, do it on one, have lots of mats leftover and enchant the other guys with instead. also, do inscription on one and enchant some vellums and sell thems on the AH for some monies.
i wouldnt say that vendoring soulbound blues is better than DE'in. you need the dream shards for two things: buy new recipes once your skill gets higher and youll need them to do some of those enchants as well.
not likely. thats somethign theyre trying to keep from doing as much as possible. i read about it somewhere and they dont have many plans (if any) for havin recipes like this in the future or WotLK.Quote:
maybe that probably are faction rep based or instance drops
Isn't it F'ing sad how worthless dream shards are? I have 5 stacks sitting in my bags... tried selling them on AH. Yea.. I just vendor the blues now.
edit: and for tanks I would suggest JC and blacksmithing/enchanting for professions, but the JC is definitely a no brainer.
Are dream shards not used for anything other than purchasing patterns? There aren't any good enchants that use them?
Edit: Actually I'm looking now and Dream shards are used in quite a few good recipes. Why not make scrolls of them and sell them on the AH? Scrolls are awesome right now - when I was leveling enchanting on my character, I made 15 scrolls of Enchant 2H Weapon - Greater Savagery, and sold them for 90g each (all 15 of them sold). Thats a crapload of money to make for about 5 minutes of work and it was a HUGE profit because I only used mats from DEing quest rewards.
I can see no need for multiple enchanters on a single team. just vendor your quest rewards on the alternate characters.
decide which field gives you the best bang for your team like blacksmithing,leatherworking,tailoring, engineering.
I have my pally as BS/mining, one leather/skin, one tailor/enchat, etc.
I've always wanted multiple tailors or special cloth or multiple BS for titansteel.
but I can barely find enough titanium to keep the one BS making titansteel anyway.
Read here about changes to dream shards =)
http://www.tardfactor.com/
I'm seriously considering this because just because of the dragon's eye. Tempted to stop running heroics and farm money just so I can level JC. The problem with it is from like 250-300 is a killer as there is barely any Thorium on the Horde AH here. I might have to look at the Alliance AH here and transfer it across because I really don't want to mine it and prospect it all. The gems and ore needed in this skill level area are very hard to come by these daysQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Niley',index.php?page=Thread&postID=161967#post16 1967
I leveled Enchanting finally on my main toon as I saved all the blue and purple items that I cannot use just so that I can sell Dream Shards like madQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Niley',index.php?page=Thread&postID=162165#post16 2165
It depends.
If you level from 1-70 with a lot of questing and instance runs where you loot, it's not so expensive to raise Enchanting on all the team. Just don't sell quest rewards or drops and you can fund a lot (but not all) of the mats you need. 200-300 skill is a pain and will cost you a lot of gold.
DEing quest rewards on all characters can be a great way to generate mats, either for yourself or for the AH. Enchanting using all the quest stuff helps mitigate the training cost dramatically. Same with old gear that gets replaced by newer dungeon drops.
However, if you powerleveled up (using RAF or friends) and/or didn't loot/quest much along the low level way, you will pay a hefty price to get your skill up on multiple characters. The ring enchants were good in TBC and will continue to be decent. I was very happy with my Shamans all having enchanting because of the ability to generate a fair amount of mats and the ring enchants.
You should definitely have enchanting on at least one of your team, if you do any kind of PvE dungeon runs. My new hunter team has the lead hunter with enchanting, and its been a piece of cake to skill him up and enchant the rest of the team's gear. Will I grab Enchanting on all the hunters? I don't know, it depends on if I stick with the team long-term.
Short story-- It's expensive, and I'd only recommend it on a team you know you're going to stay with. It gets even more expensive the faster you powerlevel through the low levels.
This will be interesting to see how much it drives up price. I don't think it will be much as peope run heroics like mad right now. Maybe later on these will be worth something, wish I could vendor the crap for like 5g each =(Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Niley',index.php?page=Thread&postID=162165#post16 2165
<<insert random just-because-you-farmed-the-mats-yourself-doesn't-make-them-any-cheaper-than-if-you-bought-them comment here>>
It does if you weren't actively farming them and just happened to pick them up as you went around doing other things :)
Wat?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Stabface',index.php?page=Thread&postID=162367#pos t162367
I run heroics daily for badges, I'm swimming in shards and unable to sell them on AH. Seriously they are maybe 4g a shard, just pathetic. I really do hope the prices go up, but currently there are too many available right now.
no economics majors here I guess.
potential income can be seen the same as income if the goods you sell are equal to the goods you buy.
Farming your own mats is the exact same as buying them on the AH. if you can spend less time farming gold instead of the mats, and farm the mats you end up with a net loss. If you can farm the mats faster then the gold it takes to buy the mats, you end up with a surplus of mats which can be liquidated into gold, but again, you are only trading potential gold (the mats) into mats, and it is often easier to farm gold to buy mats.
The problem is the market, I went to buy the mats for my enchanting on my druid and found 0, yes 0 vision dust on the AH and was forced to at least in part farm for some mats.
so, when people say "go farm mats for your profession, its cheaper" they are not telling you the truth. The truth is, mats for professions are a commodity just as gold and leather, ores and herbs are commodities. Do whatever nets you the best benefit as calculated by a common currency (gold) and use the currency to buy your mats. If the fastest way to get gold is by farming your mats, great then you save yourself a step. farming for YOUR mats may NOT be the best way to get them, you may save yourself some gold on overinflated prices on the AH, definitely, but check your economy and find out if its easier to do dailies and farm something else, liquidating it for the mats you need when the market for YOUR commodity is in good shape.
btw, I am not an economics major, this is just common sense =) (ie: anyone with better ideas are free to shut me down)
Again, as I stated in my post above, your statement is true if someone is actively farming a mat using time that COULD have been used to do something that would make as much or more money, like running dailies. However, if they are already doing something productive to accomplish something else and happen to get the mats they need/want while doing this other task, then no it doesn't cost them as much as buying from the AH, from a money or time stand point.