Sigh...Heroics are owning me...

I swear I don't know what to do...

I've tried Utgarde Keep, Stratholme, now Gundrak.

Gundrak I cleared no problem on normal but on Heroic I can't even get past Moorabi.

The guide says tank and spank. It seems to fail to mention that he does quake which does like 10k damage to everyone and stuns them for 3 seconds. My whole team is flashing red life after this and I'm lucky if my tank is still alive after one. I even read the WIKI on these guys and still no good....

I tried to stay back but to no avail the Quake is total LOS no matter what distance. I tried my best to keep him in troll form, but I never manage to keep him there.

Now I am running Uncritable Pally Tank, 3 Elemental Shammy, and 1 Resto Shammy.

Best attempt I got him to 10% life.

GRRRRRR...............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Attempts made today 30: Deaths=150....sigh.

I know there is a few pieces of crafted gear I still need for my shammies(IE Rev two piece and possibly the JC Neck/Ring) but this is stupid. One fricken move takes me from 21k HP to nothing. Quake does 10k and then he gets three extra attacks for about 3-4k each. Yes I pretty much have my resto healing him all the time and after a quake I get them all to heal him but all the time its just too much damage too fast.

How is your healing setup?

I used to run into so many issues doing heroics, that im now farming, some still with deaths to lower end gear, but im still able to do many. I had a huge issue with trying to rush dps out instead of taking it slow and easy, to a degree, to make sure my guys were healed up before certain thigns happened.

My gear on my guys isnt all that, there +dmg is around 1200, buffed up to 1500, crits usually unbuffed around 20s and mid teens. My gear is way under some of the others. My Paladin tank is semi decently geared, i had good luck with epic drops, and friends helping me with titansteel crafted stuff.

For instance, On Moorabi

For the first part of the fight, im primarily dps/trinketing, and shocking his transformation until at least 60 to 75%. After that i top my guys up, having them all heal themelves, and then poping heroism/lust. From that point forward i just DPS as much as i can, by that time hes usually 25-30% by the time he does his first quake. My guys drop to 30% life, but with 3 healing totems there usuallyup to 50% before hes either dead or does his next quake then after that he usually dead. Also beware of the Gore Debuff on your tank, you can easily bleed to death near the end of the fight becuase its stacked.

This is sad, but I didnt even know that quake damaged my guys. I have all shamans specced Elemental and I don't even interrupt the transition. I definitely think this guy must be a dps race then, he doesnt quake until I get him to about 40% and then he doesnt get it off again as none of my guys have died on him. What I do for fights I treat like a dps race is BL/trinket initially and then make paladin use his divine protection (50% less damage or 12 secs) during that time I do not heal him. I just pewpew and after that I start healing when paladin hits 60% or so to prevent quake killing him.

Heroics are crazy hard for solo multiboxers. Mostly because our gear is "on par" with the instances (or below), whereas in TBC we would run around in s2/etc gear which was 20-30 item levels above the instance gear. It does get easier with time -- I started heroics last week, died 10+ times in UK first boss and dozens in other heroics. This week I cleared UK, Gundrak, and a few others with much fewer wipes (my gear has gotten a lot better, focusing mostly on my tank).

Sadly I just don't feel like running heroics tbh as a multiboxer, they still are crazy hard, I wipe a lot, and usually I get something that nobody can use :(

I would recommend perhaps running heroics SOLO, I've been doing one a day with my prot pally slowly getting geared up (also ran naxx10/25 and VoA). Will do the same with my shaman(s) too next week. Gear definitely helps a lot.

Wrt moorabi specifically, definitely try to interrupt his transforms as much as you can. He does a lot less damage in troll form. It is a DPS race, but you can't forget to heal. I downed him with 3 ele shamans (+prot pally + mage) and would rotate between DPS, lhw on tank, and all chain healing after quake. I just respec'd one of my shamans resto, to be honest I'm finding it worse than 3 ele shamans but I'm going to play with it for a day or two and see if it improves as I tweak macros and my attack sequences.

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Originally Posted by 'Meeo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160052#post160 052

How is your healing setup?

I used to run into so many issues doing heroics, that im now farming, some still with deaths to lower end gear, but im still able to do many. I had a huge issue with trying to rush dps out instead of taking it slow and easy, to a degree, to make sure my guys were healed up before certain thigns happened.

My gear on my guys isnt all that, there +dmg is around 1200, buffed up to 1500, crits usually unbuffed around 20s and mid teens. My gear is way under some of the others. My Paladin tank is semi decently geared, i had good luck with epic drops, and friends helping me with titansteel crafted stuff.

For instance, On Moorabi

For the first part of the fight, im primarily dps/trinketing, and shocking his transformation until at least 60 to 75%. After that i top my guys up, having them all heal themelves, and then poping heroism/lust. From that point forward i just DPS as much as i can, by that time hes usually 25-30% by the time he does his first quake. My guys drop to 30% life, but with 3 healing totems there usuallyup to 50% before hes either dead or does his next quake then after that he usually dead. Also beware of the Gore Debuff on your tank, you can easily bleed to death near the end of the fight becuase its stacked.

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My shammies are pretty much on par with yours. Around 1200 Self Buffed and 1500 with Totem of Wrath. I pretty much just DPS the crap out of him from the start while keeping the tank topped up with my resto shammy. He's cake in troll form but I always seem to miss a transformation due to Earth Shock on CD or I don't have my Hammer left from an interrupt already. After a quake I know he does no damage to the others so I spam heal my tank with all 4 in order to keep him up and then chain heal the rest and let the Healing totems do the work.

I even got my Titansteel Guardians on them the other day (Still need to enchant them with +50 Spellpower) but it doesn't seem to have changed my DPS at all, even though it went up 200 points. I know its being slightly nerfed but still, its pretty much these crappy boss abilties that 1 shot my team that is frustrating me.

I farm like 1500g a day through the dailies but after that I get burned out after wiping on instances 20-30 tries. The only boss I've managed to best twice is Prince in Utgarde Keep. I think I got lucky both times. I know of things to upgrade too and I am working on the few last crafted items I can get but that still is only like another 200 Spellpower and then I still don't think it'll be enough.

Also for the suggestion about using Divine Shield. That idea caused me everytime to lose instant aggro and the bosses/mobs went for my shammies and well you know the rest.

I know you won't like this answer but you basically answered the question yourself. Do not let him transform into a mammoth, ever! Heroics have extremely tight tolerances. They're designed this way on purpose. Normal Instances have a huge leeway, and if you have a super geared tank you can sometimes accidentally pull 3-4 groups of mobs and still come out on top. In a heroic, the slightest mistake can cause a wipe. Even if you completely overgear instances sometimes a mistake can cause a wipe on a heroic. In this case, not interrupting his mammoth form is pretty much game over for you. There might still be ways to kill him after he transforms but the bottom line is it sounds like you have the means to interrupt him but miss it occasionally - you'll have to work harder on "not missing" the interruption :)

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Originally Posted by 'Gares',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160106#post16 0106

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Originally Posted by 'Meeo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160052#post160 052

How is your healing setup?

I used to run into so many issues doing heroics, that im now farming, some still with deaths to lower end gear, but im still able to do many. I had a huge issue with trying to rush dps out instead of taking it slow and easy, to a degree, to make sure my guys were healed up before certain thigns happened.

My gear on my guys isnt all that, there +dmg is around 1200, buffed up to 1500, crits usually unbuffed around 20s and mid teens. My gear is way under some of the others. My Paladin tank is semi decently geared, i had good luck with epic drops, and friends helping me with titansteel crafted stuff.

For instance, On Moorabi

For the first part of the fight, im primarily dps/trinketing, and shocking his transformation until at least 60 to 75%. After that i top my guys up, having them all heal themelves, and then poping heroism/lust. From that point forward i just DPS as much as i can, by that time hes usually 25-30% by the time he does his first quake. My guys drop to 30% life, but with 3 healing totems there usuallyup to 50% before hes either dead or does his next quake then after that he usually dead. Also beware of the Gore Debuff on your tank, you can easily bleed to death near the end of the fight becuase its stacked.

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My shammies are pretty much on par with yours. Around 1200 Self Buffed and 1500 with Totem of Wrath. I pretty much just DPS the crap out of him from the start while keeping the tank topped up with my resto shammy. He's cake in troll form but I always seem to miss a transformation due to Earth Shock on CD or I don't have my Hammer left from an interrupt already. After a quake I know he does no damage to the others so I spam heal my tank with all 4 in order to keep him up and then chain heal the rest and let the Healing totems do the work.

I even got my Titansteel Guardians on them the other day (Still need to enchant them with +50 Spellpower) but it doesn't seem to have changed my DPS at all, even though it went up 200 points. I know its being slightly nerfed but still, its pretty much these crappy boss abilties that 1 shot my team that is frustrating me.

I farm like 1500g a day through the dailies but after that I get burned out after wiping on instances 20-30 tries. The only boss I've managed to best twice is Prince in Utgarde Keep. I think I got lucky both times. I know of things to upgrade too and I am working on the few last crafted items I can get but that still is only like another 200 Spellpower and then I still don't think it'll be enough.

Also for the suggestion about using Divine Shield. That idea caused me everytime to lose instant aggro and the bosses/mobs went for my shammies and well you know the rest.

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So for the most part what i would try and pull Earth Shock out of your rotation put into an easy macro with a /stopcasting and stagger it out like a tremor totem. this will help slightly with making sure ES is up to cancel the Transformation. However, Eventually i let him shift around 60% or so, again, when he shifts to Mammoth he does do more dmg. So be ready to lust/hero and burn him.

Only healing i usually do is either Healing Wave on Tank when needed, then i have a mod key to have everyone heal themselves that usually gets them up when a quake happens.

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Originally Posted by 'Gares',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160106#post16 0106

farm like 1500g a day through the dailies but after that I get burned out after wiping on instances 20-30 tries. The only boss I've managed to best twice is Prince in Utgarde Keep. I think I got lucky both times. I know of things to upgrade too and I am working on the few last crafted items I can get but that still is only like another 200 Spellpower and then I still don't think it'll be enough.

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What exactly do you do to farm that much gold a day? im curious, i have yet to be able to farm that much in a day.

I pretty much do all the dailies listed from the Horde Icecrown Guide minus like 2. I also do 6 in Grizzly Hills that are super easy. Most of the rest is just from general questing while doing the dailes, as I made 80 and skipped the entire Storm Peaks, Crystal Song, Basin zones.

Garea - I think you should upgrade your gear a bit, your WoW Power Score is a bit low

Comparing Gareatank (Azjol-Nerub) with 480 Protection Paladins (all realms), level 80 to 80

Gareatank's Wow Power Score = 29.8 %

Data loaded on: 2008-12-21 16:39:10 (pasted XML - not from Armory)

Last played on: 12/21/2008

Jump: Key Stats Head Neck Shoulders Shirt Chest Waist Legs Feet Wrist Hands Ring1 Ring2 Trinket1 Trinket2 Back MainHand OffHand Ranged Top 10 Protection Paladins Non-Key Stats
Key Stats
Stat Average User Percentile Weight
ARMOR 21818 22273 48% x2
HEALTH 23242 20394 19% x2
DEFENSE 529 545 80% x1
STRENGTH 837 784 36% x1
BLOCK 13 11 33% x0.5
DODGE 19 18 34% x0.5
MELEEEXPERTISE 13 8 19% x0.5
PARRY 15 16 36% x0.5

http://www.wowpowerscore.com/LuaWeb....&R=Azjol-Nerub

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Originally Posted by 'bziegler',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160278#pos t160278

Garea - I think you should upgrade your gear a bit, your WoW Power Score is a bit low

Comparing Gareatank (Azjol-Nerub) with 480 Protection Paladins (all realms), level 80 to 80

Gareatank's Wow Power Score = 29.8 %

Data loaded on: 2008-12-21 16:39:10 (pasted XML - not from Armory)

Last played on: 12/21/2008

Jump: Key Stats Head Neck Shoulders Shirt Chest Waist Legs Feet Wrist Hands Ring1 Ring2 Trinket1 Trinket2 Back MainHand OffHand Ranged Top 10 Protection Paladins Non-Key Stats
Key Stats
Stat Average User Percentile Weight
ARMOR 21818 22273 48% x2
HEALTH 23242 20394 19% x2
DEFENSE 529 545 80% x1
STRENGTH 837 784 36% x1
BLOCK 13 11 33% x0.5
DODGE 19 18 34% x0.5
MELEEEXPERTISE 13 8 19% x0.5
PARRY 15 16 36% x0.5

http://www.wowpowerscore.com/LuaWeb....&R=Azjol-Nerub

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I got no idea what you just said....

Just tried Gundrak again with 30 wipes so far tonight, all on Moorabi.

I pretty much have all the good quest + crafted items you can get outside of Heroics and Naxx.

Your stats are kind of sub-par given your level (no offense). The 29% score means that 70% of protection paladins have better stats than you do. Meeo* has a score of 71%. So he's got better stats, most likely from better gear. Maybe its better enchants?

Your health is definitely low. The average protection paladin has 23.2k HP, you have 20.3.

Hope that made more sense. :)

* http://www.wowpowerscore.com/?m=Report&U=Meeo&R=Skywall

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Originally Posted by 'bziegler',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160293#pos t160293

Your stats are kind of sub-par given your level (no offense). The 29% score means that 70% of protection paladins have better stats than you do. Meeo* has a score of 71%. So he's got better stats, most likely from better gear. Maybe its better enchants?

Your health is definitely low. The average protection paladin has 23.2k HP, you have 20.3.

Hope that made more sense. :)

* http://www.wowpowerscore.com/?m=Report&U=Meeo&R=Skywall

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You probably fail to realize that Meeo also has a few pieces of HEROIC gear already and at least one Naxx piece..

I just Moorabi finally and I get one shotted by Eck when he goes Beserk at 20%.

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Originally Posted by 'bziegler',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160293#pos t160293

Your stats are kind of sub-par given your level (no offense). The 29% score means that 70% of protection paladins have better stats than you do. Meeo* has a score of 71%. So he's got better stats, most likely from better gear. Maybe its better enchants?

Your health is definitely low. The average protection paladin has 23.2k HP, you have 20.3.

Hope that made more sense. :)

* http://www.wowpowerscore.com/?m=Report&U=Meeo&R=Skywall

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I know i myself have sub-stats to a degree, but also even with sub-par stats, you still can do some of these heroics.

Minor upgrades to gear, ie: by min/max'ing, enchant your gear even if it means going back to outlands enchants. Everything will help in the long run.

BTW: Powerscore that is a pimp site!

I get Eck to like 20k HP he goes beserk and kills me team in seconds....

Ready to go back to solo play.............

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Originally Posted by 'Gares',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160299#post16 0299

I get Eck to like 20k HP he goes beserk and kills me team in seconds....

Ready to go back to solo play.............

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Here are things to consider, solo play will assist you getting tank/main char you like better geared. I ran solo with my paladin for about a week or 2 with my guild so i can get better gear to come back and make it easier in heroics. Most of my gear on my guys are crafted/quested, i have had 1 good boe epic drop for my tank.

All my Shamans/Druids are in quest/1 badge peice/heroic gear, each only have 1 or 2 epics, but then again taking it slowly increasing gear, i ended last friday with my guys around 1100 dmg, now they are self buffing up to 1.7K now, thats with just minor time invested in grinding rep, and using whatever gear i can get my hands on.

I started doing Heroic UK first and farmed that for 3 or 4 days, then i started adding in Gundrak, even with my gear and my UI setup, i still have several deaths in Gundrak, but over time it has minimized from a wipe to 1 or 2 deaths. Just takes time, it will not come all at once. I found Gundrak way more complexe then UK, UI Interface and ?Keybind make a huge difference too. I wasnt able to do heroics til i adopted Fuzzy's post of ideas and it made my response and dmg output much more stable and controllable.

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Originally Posted by 'Gares',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160299#post16 0299

I get Eck to like 20k HP he goes beserk and kills me team in seconds....

Ready to go back to solo play.............

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Here are things to consider, solo play will assist you getting tank/main char you like better geared. I ran solo with my paladin for about a week or 2 with my guild so i can get better gear to come back and make it easier in heroics. Most of my gear on my guys are crafted/quested, i have had 1 good boe epic drop for my tank.

All my Shamans/Druids are in quest/1 badge peice/heroic gear, each only have 1 or 2 epics, but then again taking it slowly increasing gear, i ended last friday with my guys around 1100 dmg, now they are self buffing up to 1.7K now, thats with just minor time invested in grinding rep, and using whatever gear i can get my hands on.

I started doing Heroic UK first and farmed that for 3 or 4 days, then i started adding in Gundrak, even with my gear and my UI setup, i still have several deaths in Gundrak, but over time it has minimized from a wipe to 1 or 2 deaths. Just takes time, it will not come all at once. I found Gundrak way more complexe then UK, UI Interface and ?Keybind make a huge difference too. I wasnt able to do heroics til i adopted Fuzzy's post of ideas and it made my response and dmg output much more stable and controllable.

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which post was that?

I do have a few upgrades to does...IE + 50 spellpower to all my weapons, the two Rev LW pieces on 3 of my shammies still. But seriously it can't be that big of a deal getting say another 100 SP on my shammies. I'm still in the same boat as I was before when I increased my Spellpower 200+ with all the Titansteel Guardians.

My macro/UI/keyboard setup (request - LONG)

Is the link from Fuzzy's Setup.

Also, even if you use the powerscore website, my tank is the only thing above 40%. both of my elemental shamans and boomkin sit around 37% and also my Resto shaman, the thing that keeps all my guys alive during these heroics is sitting at 22% per powerscore, even though powerscore and be very misleading sometimes, its information is very valuable in determining base target goals for stats and gear. With my current setup, similar to fuzzy's post, and the gear on all my guys i currently farm Heroics UK, Gundrak, and Drak'tharon. And i hope to be learning H Strat this week.

I looked at his post and although I use totally different buttons I pretty much have the exact same setup. Minor differences but the main things are there. I have my elemental shammies to almost 1500 self buffed before Totem of Wrath now.

I might try is cast sequence DPS macro out cause I had one and it was good, but I changed to /cast random, but I don't know if it really makes a difference. Guess I just gotta try it.

Cast sequence is shown to have a delay between casts - if you're using all 4 DPS as shamans its going to hurt you. I use a castrandom and it works perfect for me:

#showtooltip
/castrandom Lightning Bolt,Chain Lightning,Lava Burst,Purge

This works great and will only purge if theres something to actually purge (which if there is you almost always want it purged off anyway).

For bosses, I open with my tank then open my DPS with a special macro for just the start of the fight:

/castsequence Flame Shock,Lava Burst

Spam that until LvB casts and then just move to my castrandom. If I'm trying to conserve mana I have another key to just spam 4x LB over and over again.

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Cast sequence is shown to have a delay between casts - if you're using all 4 DPS as shamans its going to hurt you. I use a castrandom and it works perfect for me:

#showtooltip
/castrandom Lightning Bolt,Chain Lightning,Lava Burst,Purge

This works great and will only purge if theres something to actually purge (which if there is you almost always want it purged off anyway).

For bosses, I open with my tank then open my DPS with a special macro for just the start of the fight:

/castsequence Flame Shock,Lava Burst

Spam that until LvB casts and then just move to my castrandom. If I'm trying to conserve mana I have another key to just spam 4x LB over and over again.

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Yeah I read that post about /cast random and /cast sequence. I think for me personally using cast sequence is probably better only in that I hate to have to try and remember during a boss fight to apply flame shock. I'd rather just spam one button cause there is enough going on. I'm using one shammy resto ATM so that is no good.

I managed to down Eck finally when I changed to the cast sequence macro. DPS race FTW. I managed to down Collosus first try as well. Pretty easy boss there. However Saladran is who caused me problems. I just couldn't focus enough DPS on him fast enough before the snakes overwhelm my shammies (cause I ignore them) and my resto goes down first and then its game over from there. I attempt to wait as long as possible before doing my TS on my chars (cause I don't RR it) and it kills them all cause in that fight I link it with Elemental Mastery.

I realized that I can probably up my +spellpower by about 100 on all my chars through an upgrade to Rev's set and spellpower enchant to gloves and bracers as well.

Saladran move your dps to the path that goes up to the exit, make sure they are at least one level above you tank. This makes sure that your dps doesnt get hit by his poison AE. Pretty much this fight I go all out dps and sometimes let the tank die if I think I can kill the boss before he gets me. Now that my spellpower is much higher I dont die anymore. Just ignore the snakes, you should be able to kill boss before they can kill your dps. AE them at end to make sure they dont kill everyone.

Also to interject - that website listed above (powerscore or whatever) doesn't work right for DKs. Unfortunately the WoW armory does NOT adjust the DK's armor/hp based on frost presence so my power score comes out at like 7% because my armor is 13k and hp is 16k when reality its 21k and 22k lol.

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Yeah I read that post about /cast random and /cast sequence. I think for me personally using cast sequence is probably better only in that I hate to have to try and remember during a boss fight to apply flame shock. I'd rather just spam one button cause there is enough going on. I'm using one shammy resto ATM so that is no good.

I managed to down Eck finally when I changed to the cast sequence macro. DPS race FTW. I managed to down Collosus first try as well. Pretty easy boss there. However Saladran is who caused me problems. I just couldn't focus enough DPS on him fast enough before the snakes overwhelm my shammies (cause I ignore them) and my resto goes down first and then its game over from there. I attempt to wait as long as possible before doing my TS on my chars (cause I don't RR it) and it kills them all cause in that fight I link it with Elemental Mastery.

I realized that I can probably up my +spellpower by about 100 on all my chars through an upgrade to Rev's set and spellpower enchant to gloves and bracers as well.

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Just takes time to learn the best ways to do the strats, i actually wiped about 100% durability to 0% durability on the snake guy 2 times in a row, just learning the fight.

I used to fight him in his room, then i moved to the water/entrance area, now i fight him in the second room, having my shamans on the middle mound of bones halfway up, With my tank fightning him near max range. I drop my concecrete back on the slow and move up to engage him, sometimes it helps, but sometimes the snakes move right through so, after the pile of snakes is amassing, i usually Tstorm and then drop all 3 fire elementals, and 75% of the time the fire elementals concentrate on the snakes rather then the boss. also, everyone has a strat that they like. Its just a matter of you getting to a point where you have a strat that you live, over time youll get to a point where you say this encounter, and will probable be back for the drakkari colossus, where i still have problems with today, but hes still do-able even with all the movement.

heroics were (or are) killing me too.
I had to go with a resto shaman... the difference here was so huge I was stunned.
the first couple of pulls were always a team wipe until I found out how hex works.
hex has such a short range it's unbelievable but I have learned to target a different mob with each of my shaman (for hex) and to use the target=focus-target for dmg casts
As long as I minimize chain lightning hex rarely breaks before i want it to.
I put Titansteel Guardians on all of my shaman ( which has +490 spell until they nerf it ) and I enchanted them for more spell dmg.
I had to buy a lot of Titansteel @ roughly 275-300G per bar but it seems to have been well worth it.
now the trash mobs are pretty simple... I still find the bosses incredibly hard, i've only cleared the first two in Utguard but i'm getting there. I'm pretty pround of my 3 badges :)

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Originally Posted by 'Catamer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160430#post 160430

heroics were (or are) killing me too.
I had to go with a resto shaman... the difference here was so huge I was stunned.
the first couple of pulls were always a team wipe until I found out how hex works.
hex has such a short range it's unbelievable but I have learned to target a different mob with each of my shaman (for hex) and to use the target=focus-target for dmg casts
As long as I minimize chain lightning hex rarely breaks before i want it to.
I put Titansteel Guardians on all of my shaman ( which has +490 spell until they nerf it ) and I enchanted them for more spell dmg.
I had to buy a lot of Titansteel @ roughly 275-300G per bar but it seems to have been well worth it.
now the trash mobs are pretty simple... I still find the bosses incredibly hard, i've only cleared the first two in Utguard but i'm getting there. I'm pretty pround of my 3 badges :)

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^^^lol ( hes my buddy, i can tease/laugh at him if I want )

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heroics were (or are) killing me too.
I had to go with a resto shaman... the difference here was so huge I was stunned.
the first couple of pulls were always a team wipe until I found out how hex works.
hex has such a short range it's unbelievable but I have learned to target a different mob with each of my shaman (for hex) and to use the target=focus-target for dmg casts
As long as I minimize chain lightning hex rarely breaks before i want it to.
I put Titansteel Guardians on all of my shaman ( which has +490 spell until they nerf it ) and I enchanted them for more spell dmg.
I had to buy a lot of Titansteel @ roughly 275-300G per bar but it seems to have been well worth it.
now the trash mobs are pretty simple... I still find the bosses incredibly hard, i've only cleared the first two in Utguard but i'm getting there. I'm pretty pround of my 3 badges :)

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I have Titansteel Guardians as well. I did a huge Spellpower upgrade last night (Spellpower to Weapon, Legs, bracers, and got a new helm) Going to change my gloves and put the spellpower enchant on them as well and hopefully this will be enough to help.

I got 5 badges so far, but the going is slow. I'm not sure what Heroic badge item I should get first?

Also maybe I should try fighting him in the 2nd room as well. I never actually thought about this having my DPS/Healer standing on the piles of bones with my Tank down below. My only concern is wouldn't the time for him to get to my tank be bad? When I normally could be DPSing him already, won't the snakes spawn at the same time and therefore more will be up before I even have a change to start DPS?

Also for the hex I really don't use it, although I probably should on the 4-5 Humanoid/Best mobs but its the range that kills me on it. It totally sucks ass.

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Originally Posted by 'Gares',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160485#post16 0485

Also maybe I should try fighting him in the 2nd room as well. I never actually thought about this having my DPS/Healer standing on the piles of bones with my Tank down below. My only concern is wouldn't the time for him to get to my tank be bad? When I normally could be DPSing him already, won't the snakes spawn at the same time and therefore more will be up before I even have a change to start DPS?

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I dont see any timing issues will the pull, hes the snakes dont seems to be timed, i may be incorrect there, or the time could start after a certain hp %, again im not 100% sure but it definetly doesnt affect me.

You might be right in the certain hp%. In any event I will try your tactic tonight and see.

Edit: With your tactic I had no problem downing him. I even made it to final boss but after 4-5 wipes I gave up. He does just too much damage. But tonight was a vast improvement from yesterday

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Originally Posted by 'Gares',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160605#post16 0605

You might be right in the certain hp%. In any event I will try your tactic tonight and see.

Edit: With your tactic I had no problem downing him. I even made it to final boss but after 4-5 wipes I gave up. He does just too much damage. But tonight was a vast improvement from yesterday

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I wish they were my strats for the first boss, all the credit goes to Fuzzy for bringing it to the table in previous posts.

The last boss, is really similar to Moorabi to me. I Set my Totems in the center of the first circle up the stairs, post up all my guys against the left wall facing in. I pull the guy to the center of that circle around the totems, In normal form its a tank and spank, may want to move on his whirlwind if you have low HP or having issues keeping up the healing spam. When he shifts rhino, i pull him towards the casters. And way for him to impale someone, usually my guys can get impaled and live through it, but i usualyl heal them with a tri-LHW, sometimes only 2, depending on who is impaled. usually puts them at full. When he is done the impalee is usually on the opposite side from where he started and still within range to dps.

Gratz on getting further, like everyone always its takes time to learn and after the curve there pretty easy, i myself am making progress, was able to do H UK, H Gundrak, H Drak, H Strat without a wipe tonight, ill probably take a night off from instances farming to get some more good, and work on getting access to more dailies, i need to get my guys Titansteel Guardians still lol. But, i will probably start trying to add in Heroic Azjol becuase i need to farm the second boss for my tank trinket.

anyhow, Good luck on further progression!

I managed to finally clear Heroic Utgarde Keep tonight too! I even managed Ingvar which I was not able to do on normal difficulty ever before. I did have a shammy die because of the flying swords but I still managed to lay waste to him.

Still on the first and second boss I still had trouble (Wiped twice on Prince, but nothing on the pair). Its the adds that cause me so many problems.

For Prince I pulled him into the room before his and LOS so I could get him in really close. I pretty much just went to town on him there. Dropped Magma totems and just DPS him down. However usually after 1-2 deaths of the skellys they turn on my healer or DPS and wreck him. I did manage to keep him up, but it was difficult.

As for the pair, the only thing that started to get to me was that at one point there were like 10 skellys up. They always kept going for my team as I was tanking fairly far away. I guess I should just tank closer cause there really isn't any AOE to worry about or nothing in this match.

As for Ingvar I just used the usual strat I to my suprise I didn't get hit by a dark smash and viola smashed him instead.

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Originally Posted by 'Gares',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160654#post16 0654

I managed to finally clear Heroic Utgarde Keep tonight too! I even managed Ingvar which I was not able to do on normal difficulty ever before. I did have a shammy die because of the flying swords but I still managed to lay waste to him.

Still on the first and second boss I still had trouble (Wiped twice on Prince, but nothing on the pair). Its the adds that cause me so many problems.

For Prince I pulled him into the room before his and LOS so I could get him in really close. I pretty much just went to town on him there. Dropped Magma totems and just DPS him down. However usually after 1-2 deaths of the skellys they turn on my healer or DPS and wreck him. I did manage to keep him up, but it was difficult.

As for the pair, the only thing that started to get to me was that at one point there were like 10 skellys up. They always kept going for my team as I was tanking fairly far away. I guess I should just tank closer cause there really isn't any AOE to worry about or nothing in this match.

As for Ingvar I just used the usual strat I to my suprise I didn't get hit by a dark smash and viola smashed him instead.

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Consecration and Holy Wrath FTW! save your conc for when the skeletons are spawning, when there up holy wrath them to stun them all they will peel back over to the paladin, chain lightning and any other aoe totem you have on the ground will kill them, about 35% in, i usually trinket, lust, and drop all 3 fire elementals i have to finish off the skeletons as the pop, and the ice prisons.

I also position at the in the hallway before the room in the left or right corner, i usually try to keep prince in close..

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Originally Posted by 'Gares',index.php?page=Thread&postID=160339#post16 0339

Yeah I read that post about /cast random and /cast sequence. I think for me personally using cast sequence is probably better only in that I hate to have to try and remember during a boss fight to apply flame shock. I'd rather just spam one button cause there is enough going on. I'm using one shammy resto ATM so that is no good.

I managed to down Eck finally when I changed to the cast sequence macro. DPS race FTW. I managed to down Collosus first try as well. Pretty easy boss there. However Saladran is who caused me problems. I just couldn't focus enough DPS on him fast enough before the snakes overwhelm my shammies (cause I ignore them) and my resto goes down first and then its game over from there. I attempt to wait as long as possible before doing my TS on my chars (cause I don't RR it) and it kills them all cause in that fight I link it with Elemental Mastery.

I realized that I can probably up my +spellpower by about 100 on all my chars through an upgrade to Rev's set and spellpower enchant to gloves and bracers as well.

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Just takes time to learn the best ways to do the strats, i actually wiped about 100% durability to 0% durability on the snake guy 2 times in a row, just learning the fight.

I used to fight him in his room, then i moved to the water/entrance area, now i fight him in the second room, having my shamans on the middle mound of bones halfway up, With my tank fightning him near max range. I drop my concecrete back on the slow and move up to engage him, sometimes it helps, but sometimes the snakes move right through so, after the pile of snakes is amassing, i usually Tstorm and then drop all 3 fire elementals, and 75% of the time the fire elementals concentrate on the snakes rather then the boss. also, everyone has a strat that they like. Its just a matter of you getting to a point where you have a strat that you live, over time youll get to a point where you say this encounter, and will probable be back for the drakkari colossus, where i still have problems with today, but hes still do-able even with all the movement.

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The reason I suggest to move you guys to the entrance area is that if they are on a different level than the tank they don't get hit by the poison AE, which is not trivial in heroics. However one or two dps may die as the snakes ignore my tank. TS x4 usually can finish them off at end of fight.

I never had a problem with his Poison Nova it was the stupid snakes killing my team. With the above strat I wasted him no problem as most of the snakes went on my tank and I got extra DPS in with my Healer at the start which helped a ton. I even got the achievement for it.

For the snake boss in Gundrak just park your team on the stair case and the poison nova wont hit them, i pull him into the door way- balls to the wall dps i drop my fire elementals when the adds come and they take care of them. Up until now this boss and the first 2 bosses in HoL were the only 3 i could do on heroic. now that my badges have added up and have 3 titansteel guardians (working on the 4th) i can do all of UK and then some. id say just find an easy boss you can do and just farm him everyday. it will all add up along with the rep and then it will be cake. as far as rep is concerned i chose knights of the ebon blade first for the pants, 104 spelldmg with a socket, and a spellthread, plus theres a nice cloth belt which helps