[WoW] 5 Elemental Shamans, any heroic possible now while level 80? (Green/blue quest reward geared)

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12-02-2008, 06:58 PM
Negativ1337

[WoW] 5 Elemental Shamans, any heroic possible now while level 80? (Green/blue quest reward geared)

Hello guys,

I really wonder if there are any heroic instances i can do with 5 elemental shamans. I had no problems at all on level 70, i even did MGT HC and stuff. I tried a couple heroic instances in WotLK and they failed miserably.

It just seems that my earth elementals die in midfight, or that they just get onehitted. Bosses also one/two hit my character and bloodlust is also nerfed.
I know there were pretty much 5 elemental shaman teams on 70. What about now? At 80? Have you guys have found one HC instance you can complete? Maybe even the first two bosses or something?

I want badges for the 33 badges shield. And i just dont have anything to do now on level 80.

There is nothing similiar to level 70 Quel'Danas isle for money, and i need 5.5k gold to epic flying mounts.
There are no heroic instance i can do. (thats why im asking now).
I have been doing PvP, but already reached 75k, so i prefer playing again when i can gain points, else i will be bored a lot when i need to start farming for gear again.
I want to do arena when S5 is here, maybe if HC instances aren't something for 5 dps teams, something i can prepare now before S5 comes.

I also have my protadin sitting on level 70. Maybe it works out if i get him in heroics, altho that didn't worked out on level 70. Thats why i leveled a 5th shaman.

I hope anyone can answer my question(s).

Kind regards,

Totemic
Jaedenar EU
12-02-2008, 08:13 PM
Maxion

Earth elementals seem to be bugged stuck with their old lvl 70 stats, thats why they die so fast.

As you can see from this stie, people who run with a pally and 4 shamans have had success in heroics, so that might be the best option until the fix the elementals.
12-03-2008, 12:03 AM
Alemi

RE: [WoW] 5 Elemental Shamans, any heroic possible now while level 80? (Green/blue quest reward geared)

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Originally Posted by 'Negativ1337',index.php?page=Thread&postID=154413# post154413

There is nothing similiar to level 70 Quel'Danas isle for money, and i need 5.5k gold to epic flying mounts.

This just confused me. I've been doing dailies in Northrend waiting for some of our bug fixes to come (Command, Elementals, Scaling Damage Talents, etc.), and have farmed enough for one of my Traveler's Tundra Mammoths and gotten my Sons of Hodir and Frenzyheart reps to Revered. There are more than 25 dailies to choose from - heck if you just did the ez ones in Icecrown you could knock out 12+ easy.

Anyway, in answer to your original question, this is exactly how it was in BC. Heroics are exceptionally hard, especially in our state. I've shelved the idea of doing them since I have a million other things to do, and my best attempts have been on Prince Keleseth in Heroic UK where i've gotten him to 4%, 5%, and then 2%, before i just get overwhelmed. So, while I wait for the Savage Glad gear and our big fixes to come out, I'm busying myself doing other things. I may venture back in this weekend to try again, but that's been my experience.
12-03-2008, 12:30 AM
Maxion

Granted, the northrend dailies give less money than the lvl 70 ones. But if you want to do them for the money you can still go back to the isle and do the lvl 70 ones.
12-03-2008, 01:23 AM
Alemi

Actually, after making my post, i went back and killed Keleseth. We'll see how the rest of the instance goes.
12-03-2008, 01:51 AM
algol

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Originally Posted by 'Maxion',index.php?page=Thread&postID=154540#post1 54540

Granted, the northrend dailies give less money than the lvl 70 ones. But if you want to do them for the money you can still go back to the isle and do the lvl 70 ones.

Which give less gold at 80 than they did at 70, no?
12-03-2008, 02:13 AM
jimbobobb

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Originally Posted by 'algol',index.php?page=Thread&postID=154558#post15 4558

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Maxion',index.php?page=Thread&postID=154540#post1 54540

Granted, the northrend dailies give less money than the lvl 70 ones. But if you want to do them for the money you can still go back to the isle and do the lvl 70 ones.

Which give less gold at 80 than they did at 70, no?

Yup, just tried the multiphase survey quest at 76 - it gave me 4.5g and zero experience - don't believe old dailies are an option for gold - just there if you want to work up old world reputations now.
12-03-2008, 06:40 AM
Negativ1337

Thanks for all the posts guys,

I am going to try UK HC like you said, maybe i can kill the first one or two bosses :)

I didnt knew that about our fire and earth elementals, i hope they get fixed soon.
Im thinking about leveling my Paladin to 80 with retribution, now i heard its cool, maybe its a fun thing to play in the next 3 weeks.

I was also thinking about dual-specs. I always hated the idea to make one of my shamans resto, because i didnt want to respecc 24/7 or only do PvE. But with dual specs i can just make one of my shammies restoration, and heal my paladin, and when im done and im going to do BGs i can swap him back to elemental :D One of my shamans is on my paladin account, so he will miss the marks then. But im planning to do arena with 4/5 of my shamans, so one will miss arena points anyways.

Thanks for the responses,

Totemic
12-03-2008, 09:11 AM
zanthor

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Originally Posted by 'Negativ1337',index.php?page=Thread&postID=154413# post154413

There is nothing similiar to level 70 Quel'Danas isle for money, and i need 5.5k gold to epic flying mounts.

http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=16855

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Originally Posted by 'Maxion',index.php?page=Thread&postID=154540#post1 54540

Granted, the northrend dailies give less money than the lvl 70 ones. But if you want to do them for the money you can still go back to the isle and do the lvl 70 ones.

I'm not sure where you get this? I'm not 80 yet, but unless I'm being misinformed by my 80th buddies the payouts are averaging ~13g on the low end which is better than the low end of 9g pre Lich King...
12-03-2008, 04:49 PM
Zappy

So far, i've only been able to down two heroic bosses. The snake boss from Gundrak. For this, i had to use all 5 earth elemental totems and just nuke the crap out of him and do a chain heal or two through the poison nova. Out of three attempts, I've only gotten him down once. The other two times, i got him to under 5%, so it appears to be a massive dps race.

The easiest boss I've found so far is UT Pinnacles Svala Sorrowgrave. To get to her, i had a lot of headaches as the range for hex isn't all that far, so i would pull the adds, then attempt to hex, and usually by that time, one of my shamans already died. Worst of all, I couldn't use thunderstorm as it would break the hex. On the last set of mobs before the boss, i think i finally got a strategy down that appears to work. I set up all my hex targets, lay down my totem farm, then run my entire group forward to aggro them. As soon as they aggro, I hex every one of them, and then back them up beyond the totems. This gives me a chance to heal up if needed, or just sit back and solo dps each target.

The boss fight is amazingly simple. Lay down your totem farm and go to town. She seems to transform rather quickly, so i only had to cast one LHW the entire fight, then after that I just stayed on her dpsing her. When she did the sacrafice to one of my shamans, i ignored it and stayed dpsing on her. She died right about the same time the one was sacraficed.

How are you guys doing UT Keep? I seem to do just fine up until I get to the room with the protos dragons and those things just eat me alive causing me to wipe on nearly every pull. What's the special tactic for these? I didn't try using a fire resistance totem, and maybe that'll be the difference.

All i need now is for my daughter to level her druid a little quicker, then I'll have me a tank where I can swap out a shammy here and there.

I'm sitting about 14.5k HP and on beta in the blue pvp gear, i was right @ 19k, so I do believe that with gear, these heroics will be a little easier.
12-03-2008, 06:01 PM
Schwarz

If you are getting a boss to within 5% have you tried going in with consumables? +spell damage food and elixir can get you ~100sp damage which might put you over the top.

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22839 might help you also

Also are you equiping 2 clicky +spelldamage trinkets. I think you can pop these back to back so you are doing more spell damage for a longer amount of time. ie 30 seconds of the spell damage boost vs 15 seconds of the spell damage boost.
12-03-2008, 06:03 PM
Alemi

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Originally Posted by 'Zappy',index.php?page=Thread&postID=154794#post15 4794

How are you guys doing UT Keep? I seem to do just fine up until I get to the room with the protos dragons and those things just eat me alive causing me to wipe on nearly every pull. What's the special tactic for these? I didn't try using a fire resistance totem, and maybe that'll be the difference.

I had the biggest issue with them at first, now I may loose 1 shaman if any at all.

Set up a focus target on the thrower with them to hex, if he gets close enough, if not, just nuke. Spread out so that you all won't die. Here's the key, after you spread out (line is easiest to make sure if one get's knocked back it won't get knocked back into another group), face you two who are at the ends at a 90 degree angle, and the two on the other sides of you main at a 45. This makes sure that no matter who the drake is on, and if they get knocked back, you'll have at least 3 shaman who can continue dps while he moves around. I'll lead off with 2 lightning bolts, flame shock, lava burst, and then chain lightning. This'll get them really close to dead.

Also, a tip for hexxing multiples that really works for me... it's imperative to find out what mobs are hex immune or enrage and break hex. They're always my first targets. Pull with double lightning bolts (as the first one hits, the 2nd one is flying) then FS/LB. This'll put all the mobs on top of you. Then I thunderstorm. This knocks them all back 20 yards, which is exactly hex range. Then I hex. This gets everything hexed, one target dead. And then I run back 30 yards and dps them down, and thunderstorm as needed on some of the hard hitting melee. I'll earthbind drop to on the frogs to buy me even more time if I have 3+, since hex will invariably break early. For all the trash past the protodrakes, I had 0 issues.

I've also started using a /cast [target=targettarget] Lesser Healing Wave macro, for simplicity, so I don't have to use my normal F1-F5 heal keys.

Skarvald and Dalronn are a pain. Best attempt last night was one dead and the other at 5%. To which I wanted to cry. Biggest problem I've found is the unpredictable nature of the earth eles, and you NEED them on Skarvald. They're useless on Dalronn. But they have a mind of their own. I'm not sure if his Enfeeble goes through groundings, or if I'm just being a tard and not regrounding enough. It's a hard fight since it's pretty imperative to keep the earth eles alive, but even with 2k dps per shaman, which mathemically will kill Darlonn in 10 seconds, I'm down to 1-2 earth eles left.

I may go into DK tonight and Gundrak to play around.

Oh - and on Prince, I was so close to getting the On the Rocks achievement (to not shatter any frost tombs), but I thunderstormed - for the mana regen - right as he cast one and shattered it at <10%. Damn bastard. :)

Oh, and to clarify. Earth Elementals DO scale. They just scale HORRIBLY. You can test it out by summoning one when you're naked. WIth 14.7k hp, I get an earth ele with 10k hp. With 7.1k hp I get an elemental with 7.4k hp. That's what people refer to when they say, poor scaling. Whether or not this will be truly addressed will remain to be seen.