If my main dies

hey all,

I just started dual boxing last week, now i already have 4 shaman's lvl 40

All my macro's i have found on this forum, but still looking what the working one is for if my main dies :(

so i can switch in PIP and that one will be my main

My alts use this macro to follow my main: /target [target=ammada,nodead]; [target=amadas,nodead]; [target=amada,nodead]; [target=ammadas, nodead]
/focus
/follow

the rest of my macro's almost all start with /assist focus /cast ....

hope you guys can help me out here..

PS: if you would have tips how to use Keyclone with a G15 keybord, they are welcome

Focusless, targetless, 'leaderless' setup.

Read that and the wiki part with FLT setup and you'll be good to go. Takes a few to get setup but once you do you'll love it, I do.

i've read through the FLT stuff, don't like it. Seems like much more work for not much more. Ii simply use a "if main dies, start following the attacks of next in command."
zalfire is my leader.

example of attack spell macro
/assist [target=Zalfire, nodead] [target=Zalice, nodead] [target=Zalair, nodead] [target=Zalearth, nodead]
/cast Earth Shock

example of follow
/target [target=zalfire, nodead, exists] [target=zalice, nodead, exists] [target=zalair, nodead, exists] [target=zalearth, nodead, exists]
/follow

if main dies I simply hit a button to go to the next in command and switch action bars.

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Originally Posted by 'Zal',index.php?page=Thread&postID=151774#post1517 74

i've read through the FLT stuff, don't like it. Seems like much more work for not much more. Ii simply use a "if main dies, start following the attacks of next in command."
zalfire is my leader.

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And then your main gets crowd controlled and you're stuck.

The big difference between FLT (or the focus based targetting system) and these 'switch on death systems' is that FLT gives the choice of switching back to the user. Which opens up a lot more options, like switching your main when you want to do a gathering quest, when your current main gets crowd controlled or even preemptively to prevent enemy players from figuring out who your current main is.

Well i'm personaly am a big fan of the ftl and its mainly because of this reasons:

flexibility : You have no 'Main'-Toon and because of that you can switch anytime to every of your toons and let them the 'leader'.
This can be very usefull in PVP, but even when doing quests (like gathering ones) its nice.
focusfree: as i'm playing a five-class pve setup i can use focus for cc or other reasons.

If you want a fast ftl-setup I would suggest you look in the PVE-Oriented version in the wiki , as this allows you to be leaderless and focusless with only two keys to setup in an ftl way... (if you need any help, feel free to ask (i'm familar with setting it up in keyclone and hotkeynet)).
(For a general HotKEyNet-Guide see: [HotKeyNet] Guide: HowTo use HotKeyNet for boxing
for implementing an ftl with hkn see my sig)

IF you don't need focus for cc or other reasons, maybe zanthors system might be a good alternative, which bases on jamba and the use of focus.

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Originally Posted by 'Zal',index.php?page=Thread&postID=151774#post1517 74

i've read through the FLT stuff, don't like it. Seems like much more work for not much more. Ii simply use a "if main dies, start following the attacks of next in command."
zalfire is my leader.

example of attack spell macro
/assist [target=Zalfire, nodead] [target=Zalice, nodead] [target=Zalair, nodead] [target=Zalearth, nodead]
/cast Earth Shock

example of follow
/target [target=zalfire, nodead, exists] [target=zalice, nodead, exists] [target=zalair, nodead, exists] [target=zalearth, nodead, exists]
/follow

if main dies I simply hit a button to go to the next in command and switch action bars.

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It's actually not that hard to setup and, going to different characters is a matter of switching the names in the macros and the name of the spell being cast.

Dumb question and I don't know the limitations of the programming code in WOW, but with the focusless /target and /follow I have seen complaints where "what happens if the leader is not dead, but crowd controlled in some manner?" The question I have is there additional modifiers that can be placed in the macros to also accomodate a CC'd condition? For instance:

example of attack spell macro
/assist [target=Zalfire, nodead, charmed, seduced] [target=Zalice, nodead, charmed, seduced] [target=Zalair, nodead, charmed, seduced] [target=Zalearth, nodead, charmed, seduced]
/cast Earth Shock

example of follow
/target [target=zalfire, nodead, charmed, seduced, exists] [target=zalice, nodead, charmed, seduced, exists] [target=zalair, nodead, charmed, seduced, exists] [target=zalearth, charmed, seduced, nodead, exists]
/follow

If so, this would really help out and take a lot of the complexity out of the focus or "follow the leader" work arounds to this issue.

there is no conditional like 'seduced','charmed' ...
only conditionals which exists are:

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f you don't see a condition listed here, then there is no way to check for it and take a combat-related action. These are essentially non-negotiable though they may be augmented in the future.

• help — Can cast helpful spells on the target
• harm — Can cast harmful spells on the target
• exists — Target exists
• dead — Target is dead
• stance:0/1/2/.../n or form:0/.../n — In a stance
• stealth — Stealthed
• modifier:shift/ctrl/alt or mod:shift/ctrl/alt — Holding the given key
• button:1/.../5/<virtual click> or btn:1/.../5/<virtual click> — Macro activated with the given mouse button
• equipped:<item type> or worn:<item type> — item type is equipped (item type can be an inventory slot, item type, or item subtype)
• channeling:<spell name> — Channeling the given spell
• actionbar:1/.../6 or bar:1/.../6 — Given action bar page is selected
• pet:<pet name or type> — The given pet is out
• combat — In combat
• mounted — Self explanatory
• swimming — Self explanatory
• flying — Mounted or in flight form AND in the air
• flyable — In a zone where flying is allowed
• indoors — Self explanatory
• outdoors — Self explanatory
• party — Target is in your party
• raid — Target is in your raid/party
• group:party/raid — You are in the given type of group

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(from http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro#Conditionals )
..and there no..-counterpart.

i'm going to try all this...



Already thank you all for the help

i personally have found success with using a focus leader setup. there is a lot of flexibility with the macros i use

i'm going to quote a post i made in a different thread (self-quotes ftw!)where i explained my set up:

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for casting my spells i use

Code:

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/assist [target=focus, exists]
/cast (spell)

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my leader doesn't have a focus, so it ignores the /assist.

my leader-switching macros look like:

Code:

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/clearfocus
/focus toonA

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and for the leader, just

Code:

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/clearfocus

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which leaves the leader without a focus.

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this way, the only macros i really need to customize differently on each toon are my leader-swapping macros. i don't need to worry about swapping bars at all, and soloing with each toon doesn't take any adjustment provided you don't need to use focus when soloing.

just my way of doing things, it works for me and i like it, others my have a different preference 8)

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Originally Posted by phineas01',index.php?page=Thread&postID=151751#pos t151751][url='http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=11459

Focusless, targetless, 'leaderless' setup.[/url]

Read that and the wiki part with FLT setup and you'll be good to go. Takes a few to get setup but once you do you'll love it, I do.

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ok, what have i done:

4 Shammy's

i made a FLT for changing my main and andjusted the macro too:

Follow macro on nr 1


ToonA: Ammada= Ctrl-Shift

1 --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
Ctrl-] --> LBDT

ToonB: Ammadas= Ctrl-Alt

Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
1 --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
Ctrl-] --> LBDT

ToonC: Amada= Alt-Shift

Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
1 --> LBCT
Ctrl-] --> LBDT

ToonD: Amadas= Ctrl

Ctrl-Shift-] --> LBAT
Ctrl-alt-] --> LBBT
Alt-Shift-] --> LBCT
1 --> LBDT

Macro bound to ] on bar 4


/clearfocus
/target [mod:ctrl,mod:shift,nomod:alt,target=Ammada]
[mod:ctrl,mod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Ammadas]
[mod:alt,mod:shift,nomod:ctrl,target=Amada]
[mod:ctrl,nomod:alt,nomod:shift,target=Amadas]
/focus
/follow



now i do mostly play on bar 2 and because of this binding i couldn't use anything on nr 1

and on bar 2 nr2 i use something like

/assist focus

/cast Chain Lightning




Now i did had a problem:

when i switched to a main and started to attack something, my alts would attack it but my main switched to his focus to on of his group, when i started with the second cast, my main switched to the target and my alts went back to my main :( and then they couldn't target anything more then friendly's, so it was crap :(

until i tought of using the nr 1 on my bar 2 that i couldn't use before, i added a macro there just with

/clearfocus

when i now press 1 on my "activated" screen it sends the FLT to my alts and they focus him and follow and because of that the nr1 on bar 2 of the alts doesn't get pressed but on my "activated" screen it does, so the "activated" screen loses his focus .

and now everything works fine for me and hope this could help others

this could offcourse be bad for you "pro's" but if you think this is bad for playing PVP please let me know

i'm open for all sugestion's :)

BTW:

THANK YOU ALL ON THIS FORUM and offcourse THANKS too KEYCLONE, great program :)

my goal will be hard to do, but i will try to become better then AELLI (i know, KEEP ON DREAMING PAL :))

I would recomend the leaderless setup if your going to do any seriouse pvp..

It might take abit more time but i dont regret it a second!

yeah gotta agree FTL is a bit of a pain in the ass to setup initially... but it really pays dividends later on when you start getting into pvp or issues with deaths.