SO... has any lucky peoples try these babies out with multiboxing 8o ??????????????????????????
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SO... has any lucky peoples try these babies out with multiboxing 8o ??????????????????????????
I'm about to order, just waiting on an email response from vigor gaming. Anyways my setup:
SPECIAL PROMOTION 1 $100 Instant Rebate
SPECIAL PROMOTION 2 $50 Instant Rebate
PROCESSOR Intel® Core™i7-965 Extreme Edition Quad-Core Processor at 3.20GHz, 6.4GT QPI, 8M Cache
RIG Vigor Mammoth Screwless Chassis powered by Antec w/TyphoonTM Air Ventilation System
RIG COLOR Black
RIG STYLE Metal Mesh Side Window for Improved Ventilation
RIG COOLING Vigor MonsoonTM III LITE Cooling System with Dual 120MM CPU Fan
RIG POWER Cooler Master Real Power Pro nVidia-SLI Certified 1250Watt Power Supply
RIG DIMENSIONS 8.40" Width X 20.20" Depth X 22.90" Height.
MB CORE LOGIC Intel DX58SO "SmackOver" Intel X58 Triple Channel DDR3 w/1600MHz & Gen 2 Crossfire
MEMORY 3GB Kingston HyperX KHX11000D3LLK3/3GX CL7 DDR3 1375MHz Memory (3 X 1024MB)
OPERATING HARD DRIVE 1 WD VelociRaptor 150GB WD RAPTOR S-ATA 10000RPM 16MB Cache Hard Drive
OPERATING HARD DRIVE 2 WD VelociRaptor 150GB WD RAPTOR S-ATA 10000RPM 16MB Cache Hard Drive
RAID SETTING RAID 0 Performance - Striped Drives (2 or More Identical Hard Drives Only)
DATA HARD DRIVE 1 None.
HARD DRIVE COOLER 1 Vigor iSurf II Hard Drive Cooler w/dual fans
DATA HARD DRIVE 2 None.
HARD DRIVE COOLER 2 Vigor iSurf II Hard Drive Cooler w/dual fans
RAID SETTING RAID 0 Performance - Striped Drives (2 or More Identical Hard Drives Only)
VIDEO CARD CROSSFIRE SLOT 1 ATI Radeon HD4870 X 2 2GB Xtreme Edition @780MHz w/PCI Express, DVI and TV Out
VIDEO CARD CROSSFIRE SLOT 2 ATI Radeon HD4870 X 2 2GB Xtreme Edition @780MHz w/PCI Express, DVI and TV Out
OPTICAL DRIVE 1 SONY/NEC Internal SATA AD7200S 20X Dual Layer DVD+/- RW + CDRW Rewritable Drive
OPTICAL DRIVE 2 None.
RECORDING SOFTWARE Bundled DVD/CDRW Software
SOUND Digital High Definition 3D 7.1 8-Channel Sound
NETWORK PORT Onboard Gigabit (10/100/1000Mbps) PCI Network Card
WIRELESS NETWORK PORT None.
I/O PORTS 1 Parallel, 1 Game/Midi, 1 IEEE 1394 Firewire and 6 to 10 USB ports (Varies by Motherboards)
MONITOR None.
SPEAKERS None.
KEYBOARD Standard Black Internet Multimedia Keyboard
MOUSE Standard Black Optical Wheel Mouse
EXTERNAL FLOPPY DRIVE None.
OPERATING SYSTEM Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit w/Original DVD
SERVICE Standard 3 Year Limited Parts and Life-Time Labor Warranty
STORAGE MEDIA None.
SOFTWARE BUNDLE None.
ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE None.
Price: $4439.00
I run on a 30" monitor if anyone was wondering about all the money spent on the GPU setup. We will see, also they are having problems as 3GB is the only option selectable for memory.
PROCESSOR Intel® Core™i7-965 Extreme Edition Quad-Core Processor at 3.20GHz, 6.4GT QPI, 8M Cache - ok, i clock my e6750 stock 2.66 up to 3.2 and it does wonders for my multiboxing, the secrurity of running 3.2 stock is amazing. And really 8m cache, eek.
Quad core even still, my e750 is just a dual core. BUT, theres one question, im kind of out the new i7's, (lost my subscription to CPU magazine) but, is the i7 part of the nahalem series? Do the cores talk to eachother in the actualy cpu or do they have to go out to the FSB and then talk to eachother that way still, until they talk to eachother within the cores themselves im not gonna buy a quad core.
OPERATING SYSTEM Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit w/Original DVD - Dont do it!, honestly the only thing windows vista gives you is directx10 and wow dosent even use that, so meh. Vista has only been a pain in the butt for wow, errors left and right, Lord knows the amount of times ive talked to GM's and they told me my probelm was windows vista. I recommend going with XP with windows 7 comes out, or hell just go to unbunto (unbuntu??)
Price: $4439.00, i know my parts pretty well, I'm a huge comp geek, custom build and mod them myself (infact hopefully i will start to sell my mods this summer?) But, whats making that cost so high? i haven't done a new egg search for the new i7's but are they that expensive or is it that tv/monitor that has the price so high.
Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 965 3.2GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 Quad-Core Processor - Retail
Experience the New Core i7 Technology
$1,069.99
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just looked up i7's on newegg
$1,069.99 for the 3.2ghz quad, the one below that was 599.99 @ 2.93 ghz, honestly if its a difference of 400 dollars, i would learn the art of overclocking and spend 50 more on the mobo to be able to oc it as much as you want, either that or wait 2 weeks lol.
Just get a Q6600. I believe these new ones are the ones that die if you don't give them the exact right memory settings. Somehow I don't much like that feature. And they're kinda several times the cost, so they'd better be DAMN good in comparison.
Intel Core i7 920 is $300-400 8o
gief more RAM plz, ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Multibocks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=149473#p ost149473
Not worth the money, IMHO. If you have money to burn, go for it. As for me, the setup listed is overpriced and overkill in some ways, while underkill in others. (proc and 2x 4870x2 is overkill, 3gb ram is underkill)
Q6600 is $180. I assume that's the cheap i7 quad or you wouldn't have brought it up. But it still matches what I said, so what's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Nairi',index.php?page=Thread&postID=149615#post14 9615
Also, yes, 3GB RAM is wtflol small for a $4500 computer intended to multibox - you're doing it wrong. 4x2GB is like $100 these days. Excuses, you has none.
Looking at the reviews, the Core i7's will be in three basic varieties initially.
Top of the line ~$1000, middle processor ~$500, low-end ~$250.
Looking at benchmarks, there was very little difference between the 1000 and the 500 models.
The low-end, like the middle and upper needed the new motherboard.
They all used ddr3 ram exclusively, in 3's or 6's instead of pairs like the older ram.
The low-end Core i7' processors were quite a bit more powerful then the Q6600's.
And the board will support the faster chips if you upgrade down the road.
I'd personally go with the middle of the line chip around $500, but if you can afford the $1000 chip its nice to have the best.
Sounds like it will be a good upgrade in a couple years when the third WoW expansion comes out, DDR3 is cheaper, the chips are cheaper, and they fix the failure issues.
Yeah I'm getting ready to build a new PC since my c2duo is a little too slow for Wrath (i really want 5 windows with gorgeous maxed gfx), I kind of want a i7 but imo its a waste at this time. For 1/3d the cost you can get a quad coreww, 8gb of DDR2, a 4870 and you will be able to run 5 WoWs beautifully all maxxed out. With a top of the line i7 you may get maybe 20-30 fps more, but who cares, the difference between 70fps and 90fps isn't worth it to me. In one year there will be much better i7 procs, i7 mobos, graphic cards, and DDR3 will be more reasonable (16GB!) and will be a great time to upgrade again, for essentially the price difference between a quad core and a i7 now.
Now of course the i7 will do farcry2 and stuff like that much better than the quad core, but I don't even bother with that - TF2 is enough for me :) One other big advantage of the i7 is you can do 3 video cards, but wow doesn't even use 100% of one new video card, who cares about 2x or 3x.
Of course if my wife said for my birthday I could spend $4k on a new PC I'd buy a top of the line i7 in a heartbeat :) well, probably a 120" LCD first haha
Save your money and go with a Core 2 Quad... put the savings into more memory and possibly an SSD.
I bought a new core i7 system last monday. Core i7 920, Asus P6T deluxe, 6gb RAM, Asus 4850, Seagate 640MB HD, Antec nine hundred case. It runs really well - no lag on 5 instaces of WOW (60fps+) with firefox (6+tabs) and photoshop CS3 open. I haven't been able to get any one of the cores (it shows up as 8 cores in vista b/c of hyperthreading) to max out for more than a few seconds. It was a bit pricey, but I was upgrading from a 5+yr old barton athalon 2500 with 1gb of RAM - so I'm pretty happy.
2 x problems with your spec above. The Intel Motherboard only has 4 slots for RAM and 3GB RAM (as mentioned above) is too little for MBing. Ideally you want 8GB+ now with 64bit OS.
Go for either an Asus, MSI, Gigabyte mobo as they all include 6 RAM slots so you can setup 2 x groups of triple channel memory.
The new quad cores are intels first native quad cores with 4 cores on the one die. The other big plus is an onboard memory controller making the FSB redundant. Finally and best of all for us boxers, Nehalem brings back hyperthreading which means our new quad cores will have 8 virtual cores for assigning to different characters.
The motherboards have the advantage of housing 12GB RAM without going to expensive 4GB DIMMS. They can also accomodate Crossfire and SLI on the same platform. For overclockers, removing the FSB makes the northbridge much cooler for overclocking and that cheap little i7 920 can OC to 3.9GHz on air quite comfortably.
Cheers
I'll LOL @3Gb RAM too. This system will run 5box MUCH slower than old Q6600 + 8Gb RAM.
more cpu power = better for multiboxing. a 9800gt is more than enough for 4-5 sessions but will be limited by older cpus i.e q6600Quote:
Originally Posted by 'algol',index.php?page=Thread&postID=149712#post14 9712
Sigh... error on deleting
3gb of ram on a $4000+ machine makes baby jesus cry
If your thinking of 5 boxing with that they you will get smoked by a person running more ram on $1000 machine.
8 gig of ram is a must if your running Vista 64. Ram is so cheap no reason not to put in 8 gigs.
the new i7 processors use triple channel memory, so you want to do memory in x3's for best performance. The person who posted the rig said the website was having problems configuring more than 3GB, probably for this reason. Anyways 6GB or 9GB should be fine for Vista64.
For kicks I priced out two PCs on newegg, more or less what I want to buy. It was:
$100 case, $100 power supply, $20 DVD-dl drive, $100 1-TB hard drive
$260 for GTX 260 (216 core), same price just about for a 4870 instead (benchmarks show the new 260 is slightly faster than the 4870 for things like wow)
Suprisingly the processors are the same price! The Q9550 is $320 for NewEgg, the i7 920 is $309. Of course the Q9550 stock is running at 2.8ghz while the i7 is 2.66ghz.
The RAM and motherboards are huge differences though -- ddr2-800, mushkin 8GB for the Q9550 is only $140 whereas ddr3-1333, gskill 6GB for the i7 is $279 - double the price for less memory.
The motherboards are also different, the Q9550 can use a Asus P5 for $150, whereas the I7 will need a $300-400 motherboard (Asus P6T is $300 but oos).
So now I'm kind of leaning towards the i7, it should overclock a lot better and you'd be paying around $400 more for mostly DDR3 and a i7 compatible motherboard. Going to sit on the sidelines for a few days and think about it.
Either you found some fancy 3gb sticks or you meant "Anyways 6GB or 12GB should be fine for Vista64." :PQuote:
Originally Posted by 'puppychow',index.php?page=Thread&postID=150031#po st150031
EDIT: Now that I look on newegg a 6gb kit might be the best you can do for triple channel memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...sktop%20Memory
id rather a pay a bit more for something like the i7 for future proof, i.e. 6/8+ core cpus in future might come out for socket 1366.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'puppychow',index.php?page=Thread&postID=150031#po st150031
Wow, I don't check this thread for a few and everyone is dog piling on me. Ok for those that didnt read the initial post, I said that Vigor is not offering above 3GB YET, as in YES I FUCKING PLAN TO GET MORE THAN 3 FUCKING GBS. ok? Happy now you fucking pricks. 2. The hi end proc is the only one that OCs well, you can do 4gb on air. And C. Yes it's expensive, when you are the first to own you pay a shitload, Im ok with that. oh and btw for those that don't know the DDR on this comes in multiples of 3.
I hate geeks that see a build and shit all over it, if you don't like it then state why and be civil. No reason to be asshats. I especially like the ones that commented and weren't even sure what i7 is composed of.. bravo gentlemen, bravo. That says expert if I ever saw one.
edit: As for vista64, I'm extremely hesitant to go this way again. I really hate the operating system, but I installed it on a 2 year old mobo that is barely supported anymore and I imagine this is the main reason for all my troubles. I'm willing to give it one more try, after that I will wait for windows 7 and find something worthwhile in the meantime.
Not sure that 3GB is really gonna cut it for multiboxing man...
heh, way to blow a gasket eh :P
Anyway, save yourself a few hundred dollars because 920 at 4Ghz on air is easy. What you should spend your money on is a better mobo than the intel.
Linkyto 920 OCing
well I should have expected it and just replied "yes I will be buying the i7, and will tell you how it turns out." to the OP.
and as for the 965 vs 940 well,
that is why.Quote:
The clock speed is the obvious difference between the three Core i7 processors, but it goes a bit deeper. Naturally, the Core i7-965 Extreme Edition will have "overspeed protection removed" (an unlocked multiplier), but the QuickPath Interface speed will also differ. The Core i7-965 XE will have a full speed 6.4 GT/s link, while the Core i7-940 and -920 feature a lower 4.8 GT/s interface speed.
and for those of you asking why you don't go out and buy the old quad cores:
8 cores, mofakas, 8 cores! Another thing, check out how much the i7s obliterate the old quads in cpu benchmarks (which aren't all that important for say Crisis, but for running 5 instances of WoW it's awesome.)Quote:
Intel has turned Hyper-Threading loose on something far more powerful, and it allows the four cores of the Core i7 to emulate eight. Intel believes, and with good reason, that only a robust architecture like the Core i7 can fully maximize the resource sharing and multi-threaded performance offered by Hyper-Threading.
The only thing I'm not sure about is Nvidia vs AMD graphics cards.... I hope I'm not making a mistake.
no nat yet.
Hyperthreading on a multi-core CPU, now there's a niche feature. And speaking of features, I love how those chips "feature" a lower bus speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Multibocks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=150319#p ost150319
The way you OC the 920/940 is purely through bclk rather than mclk however which means your QPI speed is going to scale more with a higher OC than the unlocked 965 will. Check that link on my previous post where it says the QPI for the 4.27 OCed 965 is 177MHz whereas the 920 would be running at 217MHz at the same clock. You might get an extra 6-7% out of the core, but the QPI will be slower (still not really a limiting factor though) so the overall difference will be negligible for a $700 price difference. The 920 is the new Q6600 only better.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Multibocks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=150319#p ost150319
At this stage, the major limiting factor for OCing these babies seems to be a good motherboard with up to date bios and that has not been an intel mobo at this stage. Add to that the fact that you limit yourself to 4 DIMMs rather than the 6 found on all of the other X58 boards and you are contradicting the top end choices in every other slot of your configuration. Not sure if the company you are buying from has the option for other mobos, but IMO 965 - 920 < good mobo - intel mobo.
Cheers
The only reason I wouldn't buy the "extreme edition" is that in 1 year there will be new i7s that are 30-50% faster and cost 50% less. The shelf life for top-end CPUs is horribly short, unless you are writing it off as a business expense it usually is not a great bang for the buck.
Also keep in mind there are persistent rumors that Intel may release a new LGA pin config next year - i7 is 1366, they may release a 1066 or something slightly smaller. imo future proofing is never a good idea, I'd rather buy a new case/PS/mobo/memory/video card every 16-24 months (and sell/donate your old one) than try and jam new CPUs into old motherboards every 12 months. The $500 I'd save between a 920 and 940 right now I could use into buying a new i7 in 18 months.
The things I've read on OCP about the 920 i7 make me pretty happy, people are OCing it to near 4ghz on air and its performing great. Now of course the only real hardcore things I do on my PC are play 5 WoWs and watch blurays, both of which are fine on a core2duo and so the low end i7 will be fine for me. I probably will go that route over the q9550, since for just $400 more you get a CPU that is much better.
Multiboxed WoW is not CPU limited. I've never seen my Q9550@3.6GHz loaded higher than 80%, usually it is around 50-60%. I'm running 5 box with 2560x1600 res on main screen and 1280x1024 secondary screen, and the ONLY thing that raises my fps is lowering graphic settings. I have 4870 1Gb and even though my slaves are running at lowest possible res with lowest details (slightly lowered high settings for main), GPU load is always at 100%. I'd say that getting more GPU power is more important.
A Q9550 is a great cpu, you need a good balance of CPU/GPU. Downgrade your cpu to a Q6600 and tell me how that goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'weeep',index.php?page=Thread&postID=150394#post15 0394
are you using dualview? spanned? vista?
im currently using 8800GTS 640MB/9600GT 512MB/Q6600 to quadbox, using both videocards give me a small boost in fps but not huge.
Places with high mob/people concentration is more of a cpu limitation than gpu.
I'm still waiting for vigorgaming to introduce a new setup with more options. I was told by the end of this week we should see more stuff up there, I'm having trouble waiting. You can buy this rig on Cyberpower for about 700 less... but that's cyberpower and I really haven't had a good experience with them.
build it your self. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Multibocks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=150466#p ost150466
Cyberpower is fail, that is all.
I've been upgrading all kinds of stuff trying to reduce heavy city lag. Even purchased a GTX 280 SSC and saw no real gains, Just about the only thing left for me to upgrade is my Q6700Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Nairi',index.php?page=Thread&postID=150457#post15 0457
yes, I've read of people asking for a oc'd cpu on their setup and receiving it stock... my computer crashes about once a day (first and last cyberpower purchase).Quote:
Originally Posted by 'algol',index.php?page=Thread&postID=150483#post15 0483
after working on my current computer for 100+hours I am officially tired. I just want someone to make it work right from the start, and I'm willing to pay for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Nairi',index.php?page=Thread&postID=150468#post15 0468
The current crop of Core i7 are 4 physical cores with hyperthreading to make it look like 8 logical cores.
And previous posters are correct in that multiboxing is not cpu limited. Your current quad-core LGA775 Core 2's are more than adequate for the job. If you're experiencing slow downs, it's your graphics card and i/o.