Scarab Lord Boxing

Well just a couple weeks ago 2 new realms came out on the EU servers, i decided as i was pretty bored with not a whole lot to do before wrath to give makeing a new team ago, my accounts were just about to have the RAF link expire (which ive had since the first day of the raf change had to buy 3 new accounts to get 5 linked). I rolled 4 troll shaman to start with (my first ever boxed team was 5 troll shaman on ghostlands eu so nothing too new about this group), i was one of the first people to get to 20 on the realm, so well ahead of everyone else i went to bed.

Btw i would just like to point out that nearly every single person on this realm is boxing, everyone is playing 2 characters to take advantage of the RAF its a good 25% of the server doing this, i saw one other multi-boxer playing 5 druids but i think he stopped in the 40s

Anyway back to the story, after a night of seriously thinking about what to do with the new realm i decided to roll a pve team of alliance (alliance like most of my newer characters/box teams all are) and make a stab at getting the scarab lord title.

I spent a while thinking about the team set up to basically tackle the oldschool raids, i figure this can be done with 5 level 80s no problem but as i have now got 9 accounts i should just as well make 9 characters and box the lot.

I made a team of 1 paladin 1 shaman and 3 hunters, BM hunters pets are pretty insanely overpowered, they have no problem tanking bosses and packs of mobs in instances and hold aggro very well, post 60 not so much though but cant see this being a problem seeing how they are simply going to be vinilla raid off tanks.

after i got the group to 60 i leveled 3 priests and a mage to 31.9 and gift leveled them up to 60.9 due to how i linked the accounts (it wasnt a nice chain) i had to use a paid character transfer on one of the characters to be able to gift him.

now with 1 day to go till wrath i have the main group nearly level 65 and the others untouched at 60.9

If i dont get the mount i feel alot of the work will probbably be in vain.

Im not sure if anyone has ever tried this before with a group but would be interesting to know if anyone has or could give some suggestions.

NEW servers that are NOT transfer servers (IE everyone starts at level 1 and you can't xfer to the server) start with the AQ gates CLOSED. This is why you see rerollers constantly crying for new servers.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=146434#po st146434

Alrighty then, thanks for the correction. What about the war effort event? Doesn't the server collectively have to acquire a (mind boggling amount) of resources to unlock the gate opening event? Or does it auto-complete after a set amount of time?

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AFAIK Its the full event that the server has to go through. Its a huge endeavor if someone has never had the chance to go through the event. It NOTHING like the SSO event.

im really hopeing that at level 80 BWL is trivial and could nearly be done 5 man

ideally i do this as a boxing project but if it comes to the crunch and i cant manage with 9-10 characters on my own then i will seek out help from guildies.

but all new realms have the gates closed for up to 90 days then they are open for character transfers to the realm and the war efforts are considered complete reguardless of how much effort players have put in, so normally what normally happens is after the 90 days are up noones ready for it and someone transfers to the realm and ninja rings the gong gets the mount and waits for transfer cooldown and then returns to their old realm.

the realms opened up on the 24th of oct so i have til late jan to get it done, provideing someone on the realm doesnt beat me to it ;(

Sorry dude, I'm going to go with it won't happen and someone will ninja it. Good luck with trying to get people to go to old raids with wotlk out. The war effort is huge if it needs to be done and the quest chain is no small thing either. BWL also isn't the easiest raid I'm afraid :(

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=146505#po st146505

I'm wondering if the first boss in BWL (as soon as you zone in) is do-able with one person? (Razorgore the Untamed).

Its a two phase encounter.

Phase 1 - One player must mind control Razorgore and run around the room destorying eggs. This takes time. The rest of the raid must kite or kill adds that spawn during phase one. There can be a total of 40 adds spawned at once.

Phase 2 - once the last egg is destroyed, Razorgore breaks free of the mind control and the tank must pick him up quickly. Its tank-n-spank from here.

2nd boss is a DPS race - Nothing too silly. You either can or can't do this one.

Then the 3rd boss encounter, the suppression room. Anyone tried this WITHOUT a pair of rogues to disable the traps? I don't think its possible honestly. (This is where you get the head, to start the rep grind to get the quest to actually get a chance to ring the AQ gong)

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I can tell you now from recently boxing BWL that the first boss is soloable (mboxer solo style that is), 2nd boss maybe if you dont get the debuff on the tank, 3rd boss not without rogues. You need movement for the 3rd boss to avoid lots of dmg (ony cloaks removes a lot of it, so with those would be possible) but cast time would be sooooooo long. Would take like an hour to down the boss haha.

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Originally Posted by 'valkry',index.php?page=Thread&postID=146471#post1 46471

someone will ninja it.

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According to WoWWiki, the title goes to the person that first gongs it and anyone else that does so within 10 hours of the first.

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Originally Posted by 'Aradar',index.php?page=Thread&postID=146539#post1 46539

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Originally Posted by 'valkry',index.php?page=Thread&postID=146471#post1 46471

someone will ninja it.

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According to WoWWiki, the title goes to the person that first gongs it and anyone else that does so within 10 hours of the first.

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Maybe we should get the entire boxing community to reroll there and help out so we all get it :D

i dont think its going to be any harder than doing anything else in this game just have to practice and make adjustments.

for the first phase of razorgore it will only spawn about 40 elites and 12 dragonkin, i would think that a level 80 prot paladin could handle tanking all of this, just concentration aura, no reflective skills want to cause no damage just be high on the aggro enough to hold all the targets and stay above the other healers while you spam heals on yourself. (killing the adds spawns more). razorgore has to open the eggs ( 1 per 10 seconds) so you only have to move him every once in a while to a new egg, so can swap between that and clearing the room.

main reason i took shadow priests over another ranged dps was to take advantage of the VE healing i think alot of encounters this will help alot, healing while dpsing is a huge plus for vael the second boss which like you said is a dps fight, and im pretty sure he can be dps'd down almost, before 45 seconds when he starts causeing problems.

granted i havent really looked into all of the encounters but its going to be fun to give them ago and try and do this.

theres nothing anyone can say on here thats going to stop me trying this i just hope that i have it ready soon as possible i have no idea what the /played time 70-80 is like and ill need to do that with all my characters, then its getting all the attunements and keys shouldnt take too long, the elementium ore could take up to 5 resets of bwl so i need to at least have razorgore down and on farm before christmas otherwise ill never stand a chance of doing this before the transfers are open, i will even try to split the group into 2 and try five maning razorgore for more chances to get the elementium ore, then i need to get the 300 skill in fishing and cooking (fun...) for another part of the chain.


atm i really dont care about what wrath has at end game as ill probably have another 2 years to play with that till the next expansion comes out this is a once off, and could really be a real achivement, which is why i want to do it.

To DPS down Vael before your tank blows up, you need something north of 60K sustained raid DPS I think. I don't think it's possible even with Essence of the Red.

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Originally Posted by 'Stabface',index.php?page=Thread&postID=146660#pos t146660

To DPS down Vael before your tank blows up, you need something north of 60K sustained raid DPS I think. I don't think it's possible even with Essence of the Red.

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Umm...no. To get down Brutallus before enrage timer, his 10 million hp in 6 mins you needed around 27k dps, which was hard with t6 geared people. Vael has no where near that amount of hp, and I managed to kill him the other week before our tank blew up, so it's very possible, and should be easy at lvl 80. This was in a raid mind you, but still lol, most of them were nubs and thre was no way we hit that high.

It would have been possible with pre 3.0 arcane blast :P

The previous opened EU PVE Blade's Edge realm was like followng:

9/7/2008 realm opened and scepter madness started
15/9/2008 players finished War efforts
17/9/2008 first guild completed scepter
20/9/2008 Gong! and gates opened

the rules were following:
- war efforts auto complete after 3 months or when players gather it (whichever comes soon)
- after completing effort there is 5 days waiting time after which gong can be banged
- after banging there is 10 hours war (anyone with scepter can use it an get mount and title as well)
- realm opens for paid transfers after 6 months or after 10 hours war (whichever comes soon)

The worst part is probably the Elementium Ore (2-3 each week from bwl), so about 4-5 weeks if fully cleared and then the timed BWL run.

These realms (Azuremist and Terrokar) seems much less populated than Blade's Edge was, so probably you have to wait until the War Efforts autofinish. (24/1/2009) and then 29/1/2009 the gong will be ready.

Good luck with that, i'm sure you can do it.

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Originally Posted by 'valkry',index.php?page=Thread&postID=146708#post1 46708

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Originally Posted by 'Stabface',index.php?page=Thread&postID=146660#pos t146660

To DPS down Vael before your tank blows up, you need something north of 60K sustained raid DPS I think. I don't think it's possible even with Essence of the Red.

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Umm...no. To get down Brutallus before enrage timer, his 10 million hp in 6 mins you needed around 27k dps, which was hard with t6 geared people. Vael has no where near that amount of hp, and I managed to kill him the other week before our tank blew up, so it's very possible, and should be easy at lvl 80. This was in a raid mind you, but still lol, most of them were nubs and thre was no way we hit that high.

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You are correct my numbers are off, I calculated to the first BA explosion. :)

Brutallus you have 6 minutes to beat, and he has ~7.3M HP now post-nerf, which gives you just north of 20K sustained raid DPS. Which is actually pretty easy now. :(

Vael by comparison has ~1M hp and will the do the following: every 15 seconds cast Burning Adrenaline on a random mana user, and every 45 seconds cast Burning Adrenaline on whoever has the highest threat.
15 seconds in, cast Burning Adrenaline on a random mana user
30 seconds in, cast Burning Adrenaline on a random mana user
45 seconds in, cast Burning Adrenaline on the highest threat

So after 35 seconds you lose a random mana user, after 50 seconds you lose another random mana user, and after ~60 seconds you lose your tank. I will assume you lose 2 Hunters to the first two BA. Then your tank blows up.
This gives an effective ~1.3x multiplier to Vael's HP since you are losing DPS during the fight, however, the double damage from BA should make up for it.

So, you will need ~17K sustained DPS, which is probably reachable.

First of all i just want to say huge thanks to everyone that has put input on this, its giveing alot of motivation to see it through.

After my bigish post last night i went away and went through all the whole quest chain and decided to make a small shopping list of everything that needs to be done. and this is what i got... Keeping in mind that im on a very new server if theres anything i want im going to have to get it myself


To cover all the mats for different items i need characters with the following proffessions, at the moment i currently have nothing on any of my characters ive been to busy raceing to 60 before the RAF link ended which i just managed to do.

• complete attument of the core quest for each toon (one brd run)

• UBRS key needed (farm LBRS for all the key stones)

• BWL attuenement for all toons (one UBRS run)

• 315 skinning (to skin ony for the scales for the cloak)

• 300 leatherworking (to make the cloak)

• 300 tailoring (to make the item needed for the cloak, also need better bags on my toons most are running off 1 10 slot and the backpack)

• 250 mineing (thorium bar for arcanite bar, also to level engineering)

• 250 engineering (to make the goblin rocket fuel)

• 250 alchemy (transmute arcanite bar, no cooldowns now)

• 250 herbalism (to level alchemy, also mats needed for goblin rocket fuel)

• kill ony for 3-5 resets one reset per 5 days (need 10 scales possible 5 resets ~ 25 days)

• make 10 cloaks for the raid so that BWL can be cleared (one for each member will try bwl soon as i have enough for the tanks and a healer)

• MC farm till all members are revered for rune water (douse runes to summon major domo and raggy)

• 300 fishing (im sure i saw somthing about needing to summon somthing in ZG might be wrong tho will check this one out)

• 300 cooking (needed to cook the 500 pound chicken)

• Broodlord head needed (starts the chain)

• farm 16800 silithid Carapace fragments (for the brood rep around 4200 - 5600 kills)

and on top of all that getting the characters to 80

i seriously doubt (hope) that noone even really seriously attempts the scepter quest, what happened on BE upset a hell of alot of people even more so when the scarab lord transfered soon as it was over. I think its made alot of people that are atempting this a guild very selfish and as you can see its alot of work needed so i think peoples selfishness is going to be what slows down the rest of the realms progression to getting a gong. I had thaught about offering out my help as a service to other guilds that are interested in getting the scepter at a cost, will help a great deal with the ever expensive new skills and mats in wrath. I have no intension of ringning the gong early i would rather wait til transfers are open and fingers crossed increase the realms population as someone has said its not very high, i mean im 9 of about 30 level 60-70s on the realm and im not exactly leveling all day and night. So i think the realm will need the gong as an incentive to get more people to transfer over.

Please continue to discuss everything, i really need to make a calender to see what levels and stages i need to be at in order to time them accordingly to the instance resets. It would be smart idea to get skinning up right away and start farming ony asap.

Thanks again for your input

Isnt there a debuff once you lose control of the orb too , keeping you from controlling it again for like 2 minutes ? I remember a lot of yelling years ago in vent "i lost the orb, SOMEONE PICK IT UP"

Ya, you have to keep mobs off the orb controller. At least that's how it use to be.

My guild just 15 manned BWL and 3 of the toons were my 3 shams. Was a blast and we 1 shot every boss. Suppression room gave us some trouble and we had a bug where infinte adds spawned after we downed razorgore.

whats going to be the fastest way to level up to 80 with 10 characters

atm all are standing 61-64

options are
level death knight or paladin to 80 and then group boost each group accordingingly to 80
make 2 teams of 5 and quest to 80
make 2 teams of 5 and instance grind to 80
level them 1 by 1 (err not going to happen)

please any input would be great

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Originally Posted by 'Svpernova09',index.php?page=Thread&postID=147045# post147045

My guild just 15 manned BWL and 3 of the toons were my 3 shams. Was a blast and we 1 shot every boss. Suppression room gave us some trouble and we had a bug where infinte adds spawned after we downed razorgore.

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Oddly enough we got the same bug. We ended up downing the second boss with continuous adds spawning lol. Decided it would be best to zone out and reset em after that :P