41/10/20 shaman spec

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At level 80 Another boxer and I might try a spec like this for 10 mans. We will be having a druid in the raid so no need for elemental oath. The basic idea is you want to pick up the +5% crit from enhancement and the +5% crit from restro. I am a little weary not picking up the 3/3 lava flows (+24% critical strike bonus of lava strike). This could be pretty huge loss to dps. Lava Strike is supposed to be our new big hitter so anything the enhance that will help. Besides that I don't think we would be missing out on much else.

Thoughts and comments would be appreciated.

Not bad but you only need one ToW for the whole raid so you can spend that point elsewhere. I'm guessing you know that, just making sure.

As for Elemental Shields, unless your running 10 mans without a tank, I think you could spend these points somewhere else but your only other real options are Elemental Mastery and Unrelenting Storm. Again, assuming you have a tank, I'd put one point in Elemental Mastery and then the other would just be preference between Elemental Shields and Unrelenting Storm assuming no mana issues.

As for Lava Flows, I think you may be correct and this is something huge you are giving up since generally your Lava Burst will be critting every time you cast it since you will have Flame Shock up. On the guys without ToW though you could use that one point in Lava Flows and then only have to drop 2% crit to pick up the other two points. Only time will tell though if 1% crit across the board will be less than or greater than 6% additional crit damage on one spell.

Elemental Weapons may be another issue like Lava Flows. At level 80, Flametongue Weapon gives 211 spell damage so each point in the talent would give an additional ~21 spell damage leading to the same question as above, is 1% crit across the board less than or greater than 21 spell damage across the board. I'm thinking crit wins out here but I'm not so sure with Lava Flows.

Edit: Looked at it a little more and with all the fluff it takes to get the 5% crit in the Resto tree, you could clear all points in that tree, pick up an additional ~63 spell damage from Elemental Weapons, an additonal 24% crit damage to Lava Burst from Lava Flows, an additional free crit every 3 minutes from Elemental Mastery, an additional 50% damage on your Flame Shock ticks from Storm, Earth and Fire, and the increased damage from the ability to cast Chain Lightning more often due to the reduced cooldown from Storm, Earth and Fire. In additon, Lava Flows give you an additional 15 yard range on your Flame Shock. If you don't have that, Elemental Reach becomes pointless in my opinion. And with all that said, you would still have 8 points left over.

In my opinion, that 5% crit in Resto just cost too much as well as screws up your dps rotation unless your going to fight in close to get Flame Shock up. Granted Flame Shock isn't all that great on its own but remember Lava Burst is a guaranteed crit with Flame Shock up.

it looks like we get back most of the %crit we lost when the ToW stopped stacking.

It's a good PvE build if you ask me. thunderstorm is nice for PvP but it's not raid friendly, if you did it in kara you would probably aggro stuff from other levels of the instance. Kind of like the warlock seed of corruption does.
I miss the %crit I used to have. I may have to give this a try. thanks for the idea.

Yea I really like the look of this build... However, i'd definately still go for elemental oath (perhaps on the weakest of my shamen) on at least 1 shammy.

To be honest, you throw a way a hell of a lot of nice stuff for just 5% crit. 20 talent points for 5% crit is kind of silly, even if your crit isn't that high. There's gonna be glyphs for thundestorm so it does extra dmg but no knockbacks, so its gonna be raidfriendly (and it does _HUGE_ dmg i might add, tried it in hyjal on the trash)

The stuff before the 5% crit in resto tree are kind of useless. I'd never go with it

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thunderstorm is nice for PvP but it's not raid friendly

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Isn't it getting a glyph to remove the knockback? 8% mana restore every 45 sec seems pretty good. Evocation it's not, but still, mana.


Edit: Since my slow posting led to me being the second to respond with that, I'm gonna take that as confirmation that I'm not just imagining stuff. Nice idea with the build, but seems questionable as stated.

I won't be going any in resto... but you do gain considerable healing strength... pushback resistance, quicker healing wave, reduced mana to heal, faster Ankh's, etc.. in addition to the 5% crit.

I don't think the 20 points is worth as much as what you can gain in Enhancement, but to each their own.

5 points in Resto (last 5) or 5 points in Enhance (6-10) are the same amount of spell crit.
Enhance gets you 10% intellect, instant ghost wolf, reduced grounding totem cooldown, reduced mana on shocks etc.
Resto gets the same crit as enhance and much stronger heals.

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At level 80 Another boxer and I might try a spec like this for 10 mans. We will be having a druid in the raid so no need for elemental oath. The basic idea is you want to pick up the +5% crit from enhancement and the +5% crit from restro. I am a little weary not picking up the 3/3 lava flows (+24% critical strike bonus of lava strike). This could be pretty huge loss to dps. Lava Strike is supposed to be our new big hitter so anything the enhance that will help. Besides that I don't think we would be missing out on much else.

Thoughts and comments would be appreciated.

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Lava flows gives 5 yds. extra distance to flame strike, a 100% crit to lava burst when cast on top of flame strike and a +24% Damage bonus to the lava burst crit. this talent is Uber powerful, total OP, buff-o-matic for shaman. you can extend the flame strike to 18 seconds and lava burst has an 8 sec GCD. since flame strike is not consumed by the lava burst anymore that means you can cast lava burst twice per flame strike. at lvl80 the crits are around 7K with lava burst. so flame strike + lava burst crit + lava burst crit = 15K+ in 18 seconds. plus you can cast 4-5 lightning bolts in between the cool downs.

Also i don't understand skipping the elemental oath because you have a druid in your party. elemental oath is +5 crit chance to the party or raid when you crit. so why wouldn't you get this proc. buff off your crits. with 5 shaman having elemental oath it should be up all the time.

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Also i don't understand skipping the elemental oath because you have a druid in your party. elemental oath is +5 crit chance to the party or raid when you crit. so why wouldn't you get this proc. buff off your crits. with 5 shaman having elemental oath it should be up all the time.

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Elemental Oath doesn't stack with Moonkin aura, so if you have a Balance Druid, it's just a waste of talent points.

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Lava flows gives 5 yds. extra distance to flame strike, a 100% crit to lava burst when cast on top of flame strike and a +24% Damage bonus to the lava burst crit. this talent is Uber powerful, total OP, buff-o-matic for shaman. you can extend the flame strike to 18 seconds and lava burst has an 8 sec GCD. since flame strike is not consumed by the lava burst anymore that means you can cast lava burst twice per flame strike. at lvl80 the crits are around 7K with lava burst. so flame strike + lava burst crit + lava burst crit = 15K+ in 18 seconds. plus you can cast 4-5 lightning bolts in between the cool downs.

Also i don't understand skipping the elemental oath because you have a druid in your party. elemental oath is +5 crit chance to the party or raid when you crit. so why wouldn't you get this proc. buff off your crits. with 5 shaman having elemental oath it should be up all the time.

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Lava Flows gives 15 yards to flameshock and +24% damage.

100% crit is part of the spell itself not the talent.

The extended flameshock time is a major gyph. Not have lava flows doesn't mean that you won't be using it. It just means that it won't be hitting as hard. What will happen is you could be critting more on those 4-5 lighting bolts b/w lavashocks.

Thunderstorm = 32% mana back every 4 mins. Look at it how you want, but that mana regen seems pretty good for pve imo. Just because it dos dmg on the aoe, doesn't mean you HAVE to go up to the boss when you use it. Just use it where you stand for the mana gain.

The problem with elemental weapons is it doesn't scale.