My feedback on 3.0.2 - Farewell

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09-14-2008, 02:20 AM
Shammadin

My feedback on 3.0.2 - Farewell

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So yeah, I played a bit on 3.0.2 PTR and I was very dissapointed. I will be quitting wow at least till expansion to play warhammer (which I preordered a few months back).

Please remember that the below review is only biased on multiboxing and on shaman changes in general.

Let me start off by saying it's an awesome patch, there is tons of new stuff for everyone to keep playing for a few good months. Hunters can tame any pet now and almost everyone has something really cool now.

Shamans in general got a ton of awesome spells but not so much for us elemental shamans :(

- The only cool spell we get is Thunderstorm which is only used for damage, forget the knockback
- Pretty much if you spec 60+ into ele, you are looking at +400-500 spell dmg and +5% spell crit bonus compared to what you have right now. Yes it means more damage but I already instagib people, i don't need more damage
- Survivability is out of the question, with all of the new skills and talents classes got you are looking at 30-40% less surivavability as ele (Please remember I only have 180 resil)
- Fully buffed I was sitting @ 1200 spell damage (That was really fun, 3000 damage Thunderstorms x 4 were fun)
- Blood lust now has a debuff which means you can't cast more than 1 every 3 min
- Chain heal has a cool new animation
- Chain lightning has a cool new animation
- Healing and Mana streams pulse like mana tide now :( :( :(
- No downranking on spells anymore (no chain heal shows ;()
- BGs were not working at the time I wrote this feedback

This patch really made my decision of switching to war for a while :)

It was a lot of fun talking with everyone here, you guys are super helpful, keep up the good work!
09-14-2008, 02:58 AM
the_mad_hatta

RE: My feedback on 3.0.2 - Farewell

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Shammadin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=120995#po st120995

- The only cool spell we get is Thunderstorm which is only used for damage, forget the knockback

The thing is, this is meant to be a defensive spell as well as a offensive spell, as Elemental Shamans had little means of getting a melee'er off them.

Quote:

- Pretty much if you spec 60+ into ele, you are looking at +400-500 spell dmg and +5% spell crit bonus compared to what you have right now. Yes it means more damage but I already instagib people, i don't need more damage

They gave you more spell damage so they could tone down the spells as they are planning on giving you more to work with.

Quote:

- Survivability is out of the question, with all of the new skills and talents classes got you are looking at 30-40% less surivavability as ele (Please remember I only have 180 resil)

Well, it was expected as Elemental Shamans may as well be mages in plate with the amount of armor you have with a shield on.

Quote:

- Fully buffed I was sitting @ 1200 spell damage (That was really fun, 3000 damage Thunderstorms x 4 were fun)

And you're complaining about this?

Quote:

- Blood lust now has a debuff which means you can't cast more than 1 every 3 min

Paladins can't shield themselves more than once every 1 minute. Mages couldn't Iceblock more than once every 30 seconds. These two abilities had people screaming "OP!!!" when the Forbearance/Hypothermia debuffs weren't around. I think it's reasonable to put a debuff for Bloodlust/Heroism, as people do call "OP" on that.

Quote:

- Chain heal has a cool new animation
- Chain lightning has a cool new animation

They did say they were changing all the "Chain" looking spells (Drain Life/Mana/Soul, Mind Flay, Chain Lightning/Heal.)

Quote:

- Healing and Mana streams pulse like mana tide now :( :( :(

Blessing of Protection was changed to make it look VERY obvious. Some of the other hybrids should have to suffer as well.

Quote:

- No downranking on spells anymore (no chain heal shows ;()

They did that to all the classes.

Quote:

- BGs were not working at the time I wrote this feedback

They're known for that on the PTRs

Change is inevitable in a MMO. FFXI, Everquest, Eve, all them have had changes in there that people do and don't like. You can't have Bloodlust going off one after the other, so what? Something like that was bound to happen. All I can say is suck it up and quit whining. Other classes have had plenty of retarded changes made to them. It's called "Balancing."

Oh and as for you going to Warhammer Online, I'll see you back in WoW in a couple weeks, considering only HALF the game is getting released.

Quote:

- Pretty much if you spec 60+ into ele, you are looking at +400-500 spell dmg and +5% spell crit bonus compared to what you have right now. Yes it means more damage but I already instagib people, i don't need more damage

They gave you more spell damage so they could tone down the spells as they are planning on giving you more to work with.

Quote:

- Survivability is out of the question, with all of the new skills and talents classes got you are looking at 30-40% less surivavability as ele (Please remember I only have 180 resil)

Well, it was expected as Elemental Shamans may as well be mages in plate with the amount of armor you have with a shield on.

Quote:

- Fully buffed I was sitting @ 1200 spell damage (That was really fun, 3000 damage Thunderstorms x 4 were fun)

And you're complaining about this?

Quote:

- Blood lust now has a debuff which means you can't cast more than 1 every 3 min

Paladins can't shield themselves more than once every 1 minute. Mages couldn't Iceblock more than once every 30 seconds. These two abilities had people screaming "OP!!!" when the Forbearance/Hypothermia debuffs weren't around. I think it's reasonable to put a debuff for Bloodlust/Heroism, as people do call "OP" on that.

Quote:

- Chain heal has a cool new animation - Chain lightning has a cool new animation

They did say they were changing all the "Chain" looking spells (Drain Life/Mana/Soul, Mind Flay, Chain Lightning/Heal.)

Quote:

- Healing and Mana streams pulse like mana tide now :( :( :(

Blessing of Protection was changed to make it look VERY obvious. Some of the other hybrids should have to suffer as well.

Quote:

- No downranking on spells anymore (no chain heal shows ;()

They did that to all the classes.

Quote:

- BGs were not working at the time I wrote this feedback

They're known for that on the PTRs.

Change is inevitable in a MMO. FFXI, Everquest, Eve, all them have had changes in there that people do and don't like. You can't have Bloodlust going off one after the other, so what? Something like that was bound to happen. All I can say is suck it up and quit whining. Other classes have had plenty of retarded changes made to them. It's called "Balancing." Oh and as for you going to Warhammer Online, I'll see you back in WoW in a couple weeks, considering only HALF the game is getting released.
09-14-2008, 04:14 AM
mickske

Is thunderstorm staying a 6y range knockback? When it was reduced to 5yards there was a blue post saying that this change was not intended. Hopefully they'll increase it a bit more.
09-14-2008, 05:26 AM
Freddman

Does totems still stack, Healing Stream/Mana and Totem of Wrath?
09-14-2008, 10:14 AM
Naysayer

RE: My feedback on 3.0.2 - Farewell

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Shammadin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=120995#po st120995

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/9...8011156qp4.jpg

So yeah, I played a bit on 3.0.2 PTR and I was very dissapointed. I will be quitting wow at least till expansion to play warhammer (which I preordered a few months back).

Please remember that the below review is only biased on multiboxing and on shaman changes in general.

Let me start off by saying it's an awesome patch, there is tons of new stuff for everyone to keep playing for a few good months. Hunters can tame any pet now and almost everyone has something really cool now.

Shamans in general got a ton of awesome spells but not so much for us elemental shamans :(

- The only cool spell we get is Thunderstorm which is only used for damage, forget the knockback
- Pretty much if you spec 60+ into ele, you are looking at +400-500 spell dmg and +5% spell crit bonus compared to what you have right now. Yes it means more damage but I already instagib people, i don't need more damage
- Survivability is out of the question, with all of the new skills and talents classes got you are looking at 30-40% less surivavability as ele (Please remember I only have 180 resil)
- Fully buffed I was sitting @ 1200 spell damage (That was really fun, 3000 damage Thunderstorms x 4 were fun)
- Blood lust now has a debuff which means you can't cast more than 1 every 3 min
- Chain heal has a cool new animation
- Chain lightning has a cool new animation
- Healing and Mana streams pulse like mana tide now :( :( :(
- No downranking on spells anymore (no chain heal shows ;()
- BGs were not working at the time I wrote this feedback

This patch really made my decision of switching to war for a while :)

It was a lot of fun talking with everyone here, you guys are super helpful, keep up the good work!

If you're not happy and those are your opinions, then best of luck to ya in Warhammer. It's all about having fun. As for the weirdo fanboy reply that guy gave you, ignore it. Seems he has no effing clue what an opinion or an opinionated review is and he's going to flame you and QQ his heart out until you agree with his point of views.

Don't be a stranger to these here parts. ;)
09-14-2008, 10:21 AM
Naysayer

[quote='mickske',index.php?page=Thread&postID=12100 3#post121003]Is thunderstorm staying a 6y range knockback? When it was reduced to 5yards there was a blue post saying that this change was not intended. Hopefully they'll increase it a bit more.[/quote]Their latest change to knockback has it at 6 yards.

9-10-08
[b]Thunderstorm[/b]: Damage slightly reduced. Now knocks back 6 yards (up from 5). New ranks added. Rank 2 at level 70: deals 1074 to 1226 Nature damage. Rank 3 at level 75: deals 1226 to 1400 Nature damage. Rank 4 at level 80: deals 1450 to 1656 Nature damage.

[quote='Freddman',index.php?page=Thread&postID=1210 09#post121009]Does totems still stack, Healing Stream/Mana and Totem of Wrath?[/quote]9-10-08
[b]Totem of Wrath (Rank 4)[/b]: Now increases the damage done by spells and effects by 280
Does not stack.

You guys can stay up to date on changes at this website.
[url='http://www.wotlkwiki.info/index.php/Shaman']
Wotlkwiki[/url]
09-14-2008, 03:03 PM
Jaese

Thunderstorm is "fixed" internally, back at 20 yards.

The vertical portion of the knockback was toned down. The yardage discrepancy on the tooltip was from miscommunication.
09-14-2008, 04:14 PM
d0z3rr

RE: My feedback on 3.0.2 - Farewell

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Shammadin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=120995#po st120995

So yeah, I played a bit on 3.0.2 PTR and I was very dissapointed.

............................................

Let me start off by saying it's an awesome patch, there is tons of new stuff for everyone to keep playing for a few good months.

Contradiction meter overload!
09-14-2008, 11:06 PM
Schwarz

What was your spell damage before the patch? So I am sitting at 1056 spell damage right now. Should I expect to be getting 1500-1600 spell damage?
09-15-2008, 10:05 AM
Multibocks

Thunderstorm is gonna be the shiz if you use it on roundrobin for taking out bosses. Cheap way to tank a boss, no?
09-15-2008, 07:22 PM
Rigz

I have no evidence of this but I assume bosses are for the most part immune to being knocked back/up.
09-15-2008, 08:08 PM
twobztwop

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Multibocks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=121442#p ost121442

Thunderstorm is gonna be the shiz if you use it on roundrobin for taking out bosses. Cheap way to tank a boss, no?

bosses are usually easy. I'd guess this will be good for the trash -- at least in heroics.
09-15-2008, 08:09 PM
Mac

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Rigz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=121783#post121 783

I assume bosses are for the most part immune to being knocked back/up.

Too bad because "knocking up" a boss would be quite an achievement !

<Soandso> is a pimp and has knocked up Lady Vashj and has been awarded one level 70 multiboxing alt upon delivery :D
09-15-2008, 08:58 PM
thinus

RE: RE: My feedback on 3.0.2 - Farewell

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=121036#pos t121036

If you're not happy and those are your opinions, then best of luck to ya in Warhammer. It's all about having fun. As for the weirdo fanboy reply that guy gave you, ignore it. Seems he has no effing clue what an opinion or an opinionated review is and he's going to flame you and QQ his heart out until you agree with his point of views.

Don't be a stranger to these here parts. ;)

Actually it gets pretty tiresome when with every expansion you get all the QQers ZOMG THEY RUINED MY CLASS I AM QUITTING!!111!!! The OP apparently stated some reasons for quitting and the reply was just comments on those reasons. Some people simply don't like change or they expect too much and then end up being disappointed. If the OP said the expansion just wasn't what they expected no one would have responded as they did but trying to rationalize the decision to quit by specifying reasons obviously invites people to respond.

If you can't take the criticism, don't post your opinion.
09-18-2008, 03:22 PM
BobGnarly

You say you're disappointed, then say it's an awesome patch. Most of what you listed are actually buffs to ele shaman, and boxers in particular.

(Not directed at OP)I can't get over how many people think that the new ToW is a nerf. It's a buff! 280 spell dmg >>>> 5xlive ToW, and we have up to 4 other fire totem slots to use other totems.

Honestly, it sounds to me like you are just looking for a reason to go play WAR, and hey, there's nothing wrong with that. If that's what does it for you, have fun, and we'll see you once you realize that WAR sucks! :P