Nagrand = STV?

Wow.. I hadn't had a problem with world PvP in Outlands. The occasional run-in with a couple 70's or so, but no big deal. However, I took my first trip into Nagrand last night, and over the course of a few hours and a few separate log-ins, I was repeatedly getting flogged by large groups (6-12+) of PvP epic'd lvl 70's. Is this now the way Nagrand works? Feels like I'm back in STV about 3.5 years ago..
There are so many great quest rewards, so I don't really want to skip the area, but this is crazy. Maybe it's just my server, or I picked a bad time to play (Sunday afternoon..), anyone else have this experience in Nagrand?

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Originally Posted by '-silencer-',index.php?page=Thread&postID=97540#post97540

Wow.. I hadn't had a problem with world PvP in Outlands. The occasional run-in with a couple 70's or so, but no big deal. However, I took my first trip into Nagrand last night, and over the course of a few hours and a few separate log-ins, I was repeatedly getting flogged by large groups (6-12+) of PvP epic'd lvl 70's. Is this now the way Nagrand works? Feels like I'm back in STV about 3.5 years ago..
There are so many great quest rewards, so I don't really want to skip the area, but this is crazy. Maybe it's just my server, or I picked a bad time to play (Sunday afternoon..), anyone else have this experience in Nagrand?

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With the daily quests there as well as all the air motes to be farmed I plan on steering clear of this zone.

You might have better luck on a weekday, but I'd suspect you'll still run into some trouble.

I'd say yes, this happened to me all the time there as well. Some days I earned it, others I didn't. Normally within 10mins of killing a single person 8+ people come to punish you for it. I enjoy it ^^ On week nights it's normally not that bad or not even a problem however.

ON my pvp server I did not have a problem with that zone. I ran with 4 locks and 1 shadow priest. some would start but they would most likely die.

Most wait at SSO areas now. I have to say this is much worse than any other zone.


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That's why my approach on Mag is to generally level in instances or far out zones. On Saturday I had about 2 hours to play, tried to do some stuff in WPL and was camped by a 70 mage in Andorhol for almost the whole time. Its just not particularly efficient.

Not to derail this thread, but, I've read lots of posts about people with gank stories and having to go out of their way to level all because it's a PvP server. So, my question is, why roll on a PvP server? What is the appeal? Do the benefits out way the hassles?

I've never rolled on a PvP for the simple fact of these types of hassles. It would just piss me off too much.

Sincerely,
Just Curious

I was getting ganked about every three hours on average, and that was while multiboxing a 3 or 4 man group. So yea it was the worst. But on the lighter side, once you're out of there, I was never ganked in Blade's Edge or Netherstorm - presumably because 70s steer clear of those zones as the players are higher level and ganking becomes more difficult, but also because the zones are more sparse and there's less for 70s to do there.

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Originally Posted by 'Talamarr',index.php?page=Thread&postID=97582#post 97582

So, my question is, why roll on a PvP server? What is the appeal? Do the benefits out way the hassles?

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A group of folks that I know IRL play on a PvP server so we're all in a guild together, more or less. My opinion is that it conveys no benefits, unless you consider ganking a benefit which certainly can be the case. I'd prefer not to be on a PvP server, really.

We hate being ganked but we love ganking.

That's why we roll on PvP.

I honestly havent had that much trouble in nagrand on 6 lvl 70s. It might be a lot different for MBing because of the extra hate generated by doing it. Im a good ways from nagrand though :D I should hit 41 tonite with my team tonite.

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So, my question is, why roll on a PvP server? What is the appeal? Do the benefits out way the hassles?

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I rolled on a PvP server because
a) Suvega was already on one
b) I was into PvP from my Guild Wars days
c) It adds a bit of excitement into your everyday grind

That being said, now that I'm more well known, people stay far away from my alts. They know if they do anything more than a drive-by gank on my lowbies, they'll have 5 shammies raining hell down upon them.

Usually once I hit 60 or so I got less fearful. As shammies, I dropped my first 70 in my mid-50's, and my warlocks did it in their 40's. With help from city guards in darkshire, my level 30 hunters didn't do too badly at dpsing a 70 rogue, but died after he entered melee range. You have to have this sort of passive-aggressive attitude -- gankers typically pick at the low-hanging fruit. If you act like you're scared, they'll go after you. If you act defensive the moment you see them, they might think twice.

Normally, if I saw any higher level, I'd target them on all the shammies, lay a totem farm, and watch them until they left. They usually don't attack you head-on -- only when you're busy fighting other mobs.

Anyway, that air of excitement and the danger of always having to look over your shoulder is fun. I think it adds to the whole horde vs alliance atmosphere -- you'll get times when you just REALLY hate the other faction because one of "their kind" ganked you. I don't actually gank myself, but I will use the PvP server to my benefit. It's great to be able to defend "my territory" if I'm camping a spawn, or come to someone's rescue when they're being ganked, or to chase down a known ganker to teach them what it feels like.

There's a certain sense of achievement about reaching 70 on a PvP server as well, especially if you've been through your server's "gank area" -- which is usually places like STV, hellfire, southshore/tarren mill, etc. You feel like you've been forged by fire. It gives you some practice for PvP ahead, since you know how to hide when a 70 is in the area and how guard aggro works.

PVP sever is a whole different look and feel. You can be attacked at all times , you have no friends they are red , you are red. Kill or be killed.

I do not gank but I will camp a ganker.

Once you have your gold and gear(like that happens to end) then you can take more time to play the game.

Rest of game (gear, gold, rep, etc) is a grind .

PVP for me this the fun part of the game

I have toons on each server

I have to say RP pvp is just real fun

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Originally Posted by 'Talamarr',index.php?page=Thread&postID=97582#post 97582

Not to derail this thread, but, I've read lots of posts about people with gank stories and having to go out of their way to level all because it's a PvP server. So, my question is, why roll on a PvP server? What is the appeal? Do the benefits out way the hassles?

I've never rolled on a PvP for the simple fact of these types of hassles. It would just piss me off too much.

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Your last sentence there is pretty much the reason I've always enjoyed being on my pvp server. On a pve server if someone is bothering you (farming an area you need for a quest, tagging your mobs, or otherwise harassing you) you have no recourse. You just have to sit there and take it or move on. This annoyed me to no end in other games I've played where pvp wasn't an option.

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Anyway, that air of excitement and the danger of always having to look over your shoulder is fun. I think it adds to the whole horde vs alliance atmosphere -- you'll get times when you just REALLY hate the other faction because one of "their kind" ganked you.

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Stv = Nagrand, yes.

Vyndree says it best though in that having to pay attention to your surroundings really becomes important and alos i have met some great folks due to /1 General annoucements of a gank or the banter that goes with it. I am a solo hunter more often than MB, and if i see /1 General change from background text to OMG WTF!! HELP ME!!! then I start to get a bit of adrenalin and fun factor.

Good Luck in finishing quests, if you are smarter than the gankers - you will be fine, b ut sometimes it is just easier to defend yourself as best you can and then after you are running back to your corpse notice what worked. Rinse and repeat.

TTFN

Torm

I guess it comes down to the fact that I’ve ALWAYS played a Paladin as my main in just about every game since my D&D days as a 10 year old. And well, Paladins and PvP..../wrist

(DISCLAIMER: the fact that I used D&D and /wrist together in the same sentence by no means implies I'm emo, have long hair, or think black is the new khaki. I love life and people and some cute animals are ok)

EDIT: (DISCLAIMER TO DISCLAIMER: There is nothing wrong with emo kids, long hair or the color black and I apologize for those I may have offened. However, any so-called "cute" animals - i.e cats - I may have offended can STFU)

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Originally Posted by 'Talamarr',index.php?page=Thread&postID=97582#post 97582

Not to derail this thread, but, I've read lots of posts about people with gank stories and having to go out of their way to level all because it's a PvP server. So, my question is, why roll on a PvP server? What is the appeal? Do the benefits out way the hassles?

I've never rolled on a PvP for the simple fact of these types of hassles. It would just piss me off too much.

Sincerely,
Just Curious

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I rolled on Mag because there were so many other boxers there to interact with. I already have 70's on Lothar where I can raid if I want.

I do enjoy the pvp rush, its just that I'm just reaching the point where I can start to put up a fight but against a PvP-epiced mage your going to get wasted at L56. That's life.

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Originally Posted by 'Talamarr',index.php?page=Thread&postID=97613#post 97613

I guess it comes down to the fact that I’ve ALWAYS played a Paladin as my main in just about every game since my D&D days as a 10 year old. And well, Paladins and PvP..../wrist

(DISCLAIMER: the fact that I used D&D and /wrist together in the same sentence by no means implies I'm emo, have long hair, or think black is the new khaki. I love life and people and some cute animals are ok)

EDIT: (DISCLAIMER TO DISCLAIMER: There is nothing wrong with emo kids, long hair or the color black and I apologize for those I may have offened. However, any so-called "cute" animals - i.e cats - I may have offended can STFU)

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lol...I like cute animals, too. Preferably on shish-kebabs or grilled, though I've been known to enjoy sausage from them at times.

[edit] Yes, Nagrand is much like STV. Honestly, though, the gank groups on mag aren't all THAT prevalent. Some servers are worse than others, and your gank rate is usually directly proportional to how badly the other faction just got stomped in Halaa or whether you're farming motes or some other resource.

Whats nice about rolling alt toons is you can log in your main group and make them pay for killing you. I had some 70's and 60's kill my 64's so I logged in the mains and killed them. Its a very nice feeling.

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Whats nice about rolling alt toons is you can log in your main group and make them pay for killing you. I had some 70's and 60's kill my 64's so I logged in the mains and killed them. Its a very nice feeling.

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This weekend I decided to unleash my mains. So tired of the SM Cath grind I decided to head to STV. After saying “STV” you know what comes next lol. So there I was at nemmy camp not a soul in sight, in fact I haven’t seen dick all the way up to 40 as far as people to kill, just a rare few here and there.

Distracted clicking on the quest giver a 70 enhancement shaman 1 shots my pally and proceeds to finish off the lot of my 5 boxing party. No big deal, I come back and the guy had the alldasity to place a camp fire down and sit on my corpses.

Apparently this guy didn’t get the memo on why you should never camp multi-boxers. So my mains were far away. Came from hellfire, flew to shat, took the portal, waiting on the Zep then rode all the way up there, he was still there 15mins later lol. So I roll up do /wave x5. He stands up and looks around and then does /cry. I do /nod and proceed to kill him. Only wish I had a camp fire.

Turns out he pissed off a bunch of peoples alts because shortly after 4 more 70s show up asking me if I just killed that shaman and what his name was. They logged on to their mains to kill him as well. They complemented me on my mains, I then asked if they would stand guard for a bit for my alts, they said sure. I logged back on my alts and finished my quests while he was camped lol.

The thing that annoys me most however still is rogues. At 40 I decided to try out Gadgetzan, a 70 rogue continued to kill my guys. I could at least do damage to him, I feel that my alts could kill him if it wasn’t for cloak of skill.

No matter where my alts went he followed. I finally got annoyed enough to bring my mains, of course he hides then, they all do. Worst of all it was a gnome, I hate gnomes! I bet he must have been the alt of the gnome mage I chased half way across the zone to kill.

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Originally Posted by 'Bradster',index.php?page=Thread&postID=97656#post 97656

The thing that annoys me most however still is rogues. At 40 I decided to try out Gadgetzan, a 70 rogue continued to kill my guys. I could at least do damage to him, I feel that my alts could kill him if it wasn’t for cloak of skill.

No matter where my alts went he followed. I finally got annoyed enough to bring my mains, of course he hides then, they all do. Worst of all it was a gnome, I hate gnomes! I bet he must have been the alt of the gnome mage I chased half way across the zone to kill.

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Yep, this is why I'm leveling a druid group. Stealth + trees + heals = WIN. There was a druid on Mag that would log in a level 1 alt and find zerglings and camp us with his 70. Was pretty funny because as soon as we logged on our mains, he would see it and go hide.

Nagrand has lots of traffic from level 70s.
- There's Hala.
- There's the Arena to make new teams.
- There's Elemental Plats for mote farming.
- There's the IQD daily quest by Oshugun.

Levelled my level 65 guys in Nagrand for about 6 hours yesterday (guess they are now level 66). I don't attack any horde unless they attack me first. Solo players get ganked all the time - I've seen it happen to a lot of folks. But that's the great thing about MBing - no single player should be able to take you out, and most know this and don't even try. By the time you are 65/66, you should be able to take down at least two level 70s.

I had one level 70 attack me while I was killing four ogres. Took him out pretty quickly, killed the ogres, he self-rezzed (a shammy), so I killed him again. Rezzed the one guy he downed and went about my business. When he rezzed again after his corpse run, I was still close killing ogres, he attacked, I killed him again.

Some people are just stupid.

Corpse camping is the single reason I don't play on a pvp server. I work with a guy who tells stories of corpse camping someone for HOURS just because someone pissed him off. That alone is enough to let me know I don't have any business on a pvp realm.

If they'd introduce a free-for-all PvP ruleset, so I can attack my own faction if I want to (because they're mostly the ones who steal the resource node I've just cleared!), I'd have another go at rolling a PvP team in a heartbeat :)

Until then, I guess I'll stick with a consensual PvP ("normal") server.

Personally i play on Kazzak Eu wich is a pvp server but is actually pretty hardcore in pve aswell as both Forte and Last Resort had theyr homes here earlier but luckly they migrated with all the fanboys! Ganking is rare but world pvp happen alot and from what i learned from gankers is to just dont react when you know you will lose.

When you see a guy on epic mount running towards you and aparently plans to attack dont run if you know you cant get away, its actually faster just to corpse run in most cases. And belive me its totaly boring to kill someone who just stands there like a npc.. The zone has to be extremley empty to entertain a guy to corpse camp someone who just resses anyway.

When your ganked take a trip to the toilet make some snack and something to drink then 99% of the gankers are gone if you havent done anything against them.

However if you go totaly emo spitting on them and try running you entertain them because people like that find it fun. Relogging to your main brings and comming to STV is exactly what they want because most of thoose guys loves world pvp, fair or not WTF pvp is rarley fair even on 70...

Preparing is in 90% of the cases if you will win or lose, personally i always have a healthpot ready and i will keep NS for elites and pvp encounters. The chance of winning is high in most cases as good pvpers rarley attack someone they KNOW for 100% they will win and bad pvpers attack people they think they can beat.(However they are in most cases VERY wrong) :)

had 3 pvp encounters on my way to 35 so far but i been instancing alot:

First i was 21 at the hillsbrad farms and a 29 hunter came from behinde but i doubt he could see that i was 5 because he seemed pretty shocked when i turned around and took 50% of his health with a shock. Second was a ?? warlock also at the farms who came up from behinde and started using rain of fire wich ended in a epic fight were i lost two and he died. Last encounter i had was a 30 warrior who ganked another guy while i came from behinde and went down with a earthshock.

Best part of wow is to down someone who attacks you on unfair odds. :)

This kind of thread makes me really appreciate the fact that I rolled 5 Druids. :) Now you see me now you don't! kill hide kill hide.

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Originally Posted by 'Talamarr',index.php?page=Thread&postID=97582#post 97582

Not to derail this thread, but, I've read lots of posts about people with gank stories and having to go out of their way to level all because it's a PvP server. So, my question is, why roll on a PvP server? What is the appeal? Do the benefits out way the hassles?

I've never rolled on a PvP for the simple fact of these types of hassles. It would just piss me off too much.

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Your last sentence there is pretty much the reason I've always enjoyed being on my pvp server. On a pve server if someone is bothering you (farming an area you need for a quest, tagging your mobs, or otherwise harassing you) you have no recourse. You just have to sit there and take it or move on. This annoyed me to no end in other games I've played where pvp wasn't an option.

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I hated this on PVE as well. One fun thing though is (if you have fear or equivelant) is follow them around and if they attack a mob fear it. The guy will finally end up leaving you alone after they get killed by all the aggro your fear caused them. :) A guy stole a node I was mining after I got attacked by a mob so I made him regret it. :)

I'm loving PVP enough as it is at my low level of 23 (druids) and just can't wait to get to 70. You just can't compare fun on PVE servers to a PVP one.

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Originally Posted by 'Yamio',index.php?page=Thread&postID=97801#post978 01

Corpse camping is the single reason I don't play on a pvp server. I work with a guy who tells stories of corpse camping someone for HOURS just because someone pissed him off. That alone is enough to let me know I don't have any business on a pvp realm.

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I have been camped myself and after a few kills I simply rez at the grave and hearth out. There are way too many other areas I can hit to do what I need to do. Unless there is more than one person camping (one at your corpses and one at the grave) you should be able to get away fairly easy. Or roll druids and rez/cat/prowl and get away.

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Originally Posted by 'Otlecs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=97809#post97 809

If they'd introduce a free-for-all PvP ruleset, so I can attack my own faction if I want to (because they're mostly the ones who steal the resource node I've just cleared!), I'd have another go at rolling a PvP team in a heartbeat :)

Until then, I guess I'll stick with a consensual PvP ("normal") server.

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It's called Age of Conan, and that mechanic of it sucks.