Multiboxing and twinking - How much prejudice will I encounter.

After rolling a 19 twink and having fun running BG's with my son and daughters twinks I've decided that I want to multibox 3 hunters. (hunters being the only class that can make a rogues life miserable).

Hunters seem to be the most multibox friendly twinks (I've got the setup in my head).

I'm a bit concerned about the level of abuse I'm going to get for it though.

1. Hunters seem to be quite a hated class

2. I'll be multiboxing which brings it's own abusers

3. I'll be a twink.

(about the only thing I could do to make myself more hated would be to roll blood elves - but I'm going with Taurens for the warstomp).

Personally I think I will be able to ship a load of damage and pay my way in the BG's. I'll be supportive of flag runs - I'll be there concussive shotting enemy flag carriers or their healers. (I've played a hunter to 70 so have all the kiting skills down).

Searching through this forum I've even seen negative attitudes towards twinks from multiboxers. (which did surprise me. You'd think multiboxers would be more tolerant of those that choose their own path, and face hatred for it - don't knock it unless you've tried it)

I know there will be some that will have tried this before - How did this work out for you?

Did the grief just ruin your enjoyment - or did you just go in and manage to have fun?

Or did you find people accepting of you? Either straight away or after you proved your skills.

You'll most likely be more hated than the average Joe boxer. I'm a boxer and I'd dislike it. I don't like twinks in general though. If there were a BG dedicated to twinks which kept them out of the battlegrounds against new players, sure I could care less about them, but I doubt 99% of all twinks would even queue for it. They'd stick to what they're good at, killing players with 1/10th their own health due to high level enchants and kits.

Just my own opinion, nothing personal.

It is your opinion and of course you are entitled to it.

It is funny though - twinks are one of those things that people hate when they are up against them - but love them when they are on their own team and get the WSG marks and honour for it.

Of all the Bg's I go into I've never ever, ever seen anyone complain about having too many twinks on their own side.

That's because people usually only complain about something being unfair, when its being used against them.

Since BGs are owned by the twinks anyways why not have a twink MB team. You will get more grief than normal, especially all the twinks crying in the wow forums about how evil multiboxing is but who cares. I say twink away.

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Originally Posted by 'shaeman',index.php?page=Thread&postID=97427#post9 7427

It is your opinion and of course you are entitled to it.

It is funny though - twinks are one of those things that people hate when they are up against them - but love them when they are on their own team and get the WSG marks and honour for it.

Of all the Bg's I go into I've never ever, ever seen anyone complain about having too many twinks on their own side.

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I think a lot of people who dislike it don't even bother to queue, so you wouldn't hear much from them anyway anymore. Others are new and really have no idea that you're twinked or what it is. Then you have those who are just there for the honor and marks and most of them don't care how they get it as long as it's fast so they're happy when they have twinks and whine when they're against them. Finally, half the BG is made up of twinks anyway because there's little to no point for non-twinks to queue, so you won't hear any negative opinions about twinks from them unless they are losing and then it's the non-twinks fault they are losing...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to persuede you not to do it. You just asked what people would think, and sisnce I can't really answer for other people I gave you my opinion and what I think many others will feel. Like they say, you're playing for your own enjoyment, so do what you want.

what is the point for twinks? is it just to own? You are never going to lvl past 19 or 29 so the badges do nothing for you and the honor also does nothing. So is it just to own?

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Originally Posted by 'Drizzit',index.php?page=Thread&postID=97445#post9 7445

what is the point for twinks? is it just to own? You are never going to lvl past 19 or 29 so the badges do nothing for you and the honor also does nothing. So is it just to own?

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Pretty much, its the same reason why the WoW forums are full of internet warriors.

Oh man. I used to box 4 hunter twinks at 19.
They are tons of fun. For a week. :)

Basically, yes.. they are THAT devastating.. so devastating that within one week of playing them, you will have gotten bored.

I could pretty much solo WSG if I had a healer companion. 4 hunters at lvl 19 simply have way too much dps, survivability and control (boar charge, improved concussive) for any other class to put up a real fight. If I wanted, I could park at the enemy graveyard and just grind them until someone capped the flags.

Edit: I got a lot of love from my teammates, and a lot of /spit and /golfclap and so on from the enemies.

i kind of want to twink, but don't know what i want to do.

- do the 10-19 or the 20-29 (The 10-19 will probably be the best but i think i will get bored as hell doing only wsg).
- single, dual, tri, quad, or 5 box (the more i add the more expensive and harder to get everyone geared)
- what class(es) to chose (4 locks would be killer, having 8 dots on someone means almost death. if i box then melee would be out of the question which leaves hunters and locks because they say that druid, sham, and mages are not that good)

i don't pvp too much, but i might after i get some twinks, plus it would be cool when my friends come over i can be let check this out.

I think that, if u have a goal, u should reach it :P Wanna twink 3 hunters lvl19? go for it!

It's funny, yesterday while doing some arenas a twink rogue came near me, and when i saw the whisper commin, i almost had it already in my head:"u suck dude, blablabla!"
But no! the guy asked me if i was interested in twinking some chars and multibox them lol :P "why dont u make a multibox twink team? And join my guild!"
lol, i kinda laughed for a while, thinking bout 5 gnome walocks or 5 hunters..but... i already got so much in mind, and so little time to play:)

I want my character to be the best it can be - does it matter if it's 70 or 19. (I've got enough 70's).

Do I want to own in battlegrounds. Damn right. And I do well no matter where I choose to do battle - 70 bg's, or 19 bg's.

I see a great deal of irony about getting all the gear and enchants at level 70 - when people are losing arenas 10 a week to get gear to make themselves tougher, or running bg after bg farming honour - why? to get better gear so they can be uber. SAme difference different bracket.

Do those who have 5 boxer pvp teams not want to win and kill alliance? Do they not get hate because others dont like what they do.

I'm actually playing the bg's for fun - radical I know. Instead of gearing up for marks and honour. Perhaps I will grow bored of my little WSG twink group. Then I'll leave them and do some levelling. This is the beauty of wow and multiboxing. Choices. You don't just have to have one view.

Unfair advantage : response - you can multibox too.

Unfair advantage : response - you can twink too.

How much hate you get as a boxer has nothing to do with twink or non-twink. It is directly proportional to the amount of people you kill. ;)

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Originally Posted by 'shaeman',index.php?page=Thread&postID=97578#post9 7578

I want my character to be the best it can be - does it matter if it's 70 or 19. (I've got enough 70's).

Do I want to own in battlegrounds. Damn right. And I do well no matter where I choose to do battle - 70 bg's, or 19 bg's.

I see a great deal of irony about getting all the gear and enchants at level 70 - when people are losing arenas 10 a week to get gear to make themselves tougher, or running bg after bg farming honour - why? to get better gear so they can be uber. SAme difference different bracket.

Do those who have 5 boxer pvp teams not want to win and kill alliance? Do they not get hate because others dont like what they do.

I'm actually playing the bg's for fun - radical I know. Instead of gearing up for marks and honour. Perhaps I will grow bored of my little WSG twink group. Then I'll leave them and do some levelling. This is the beauty of wow and multiboxing. Choices. You don't just have to have one view.

Unfair advantage : response - you can multibox too.

Unfair advantage : response - you can twink too.

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You're targeting new players.

If you want your character to be the best it can be, then why aren't you obtaining the best possible spells and talents for him? You purposely stop at a low level bracket to hold a gear advantage over players who generally have no idea or means to counter you. Picking on newbs. If gear wasn't the issue, you'd level to 70 to compete or not bother with the level 70 enchants/kits.

Here is some more of your apples and oranges.

"Unfair advantage : response - you can multibox too. "
The unfair advantage is just a matter of one side having more than the other. A group of 6-10 people have an advantage over a 5boxer... In BG's no side has more players than the other.

"Unfair advantage : response - you can twink too."
Yes, I do. At level 70. I don't care for picking on new players at level 19 who just bought the game not too long ago, and there aren't enough skills and abilities at level 19 to hold my interest. You need more skill and coordination to play a game of checkers than you do playing the 19 bracket. What is it, like two or three buttons? If that's your game, so be it. I'm still going to think you're a guy who needs to pick on the children at the kiddie table so to speak when it comes to pvp. The only proper twinks do it at 70.

IMO, you will get MORE QQ from twinks.

Why do people make a twink? To easily wtfpwn people with lesser gear.
Why would twinks have a problem with multiboxers? Because often, even if they're NOT twinked, they will wtfpwn the single twink.
Why would they QQ about that? Because they dumped alot of $$$ to ensure that they get insta-wins against other folks. Twinking is first about $$$. Twinking has little to do with skill unless you face an equivalently geared twink.

So twinks will QQ because you are "ruining their fun". In essence, you are ruining their insta-win that they "paid" for by gearing out their twink. They will not like you. They will not welcome you unless you are on their side -- and even so, they may hate you because you're ruining their HK epeen stroking streak.

There have been QQ posts on the Stormstrike battlegroup about multiboxers in the twink brackets. Were the multiboxers twinked? I don't know. But the twinks were up in arms about how "unfair" multiboxing is compared to twinking, which is "honorable" since you "roll a twink to fight other twinks".... Yeah... right...

So - If i multibox my hunters but don't twink them will that make me a better person? Will that meet with your approval.

If i say I'll pvp for a while and will level these guys up at a later date will that be better?

Will it stop me from being a nasty person who picks on poor little children who don't know how to play their class? I mean obviously everyone who is in BG's with a 10-19 character has never, ever, ever played another character and are all poor little children who don't know what they are doing?

Should I run into the battleground, find all the 10-18 characters and let them kill me so they can feel better about themselves.

If i own all the twinks without making my hunters twinks themselves will that be okay? Will I suddenly be a beacon of light, shining brightly amongst all those nasty, emotionally stunted people called twinks (I mean let's not consider that there are individuals involved here - that there might actually be any number of reasons why they want to twink).

I am slightly confused though - if my 3 hunters kill 10-18 characters that don't have brilliant gear will that make me bad again?

Is it just the gearing out at max bracket level and putting enchants on that will suddenly turn me from an honourable multiboxer into a big sad bully? Is it okay to just get the best gear but not put enchants on?

As usual with prejudice it relies on grouping lots of people together and assuming they are all the same - and inferior to yourself.

I can't blame you though - it was until recently pretty much the attitude I had towards twinks. It took watching my children twink up and watching the epic battles they had to realise there was more to level 19 bg's - that there is actually a large amount of skill involved in fighting an equally geared twink, and a joy in taking down better geared twinks. And for your information my children are two of the sweetest most caring kids you would ever have the privilege of meeting (probably doesn't conform to your blinkered view of twinks but never let the facts get in the way).

Still I have my answer - I will encounter prejudice, I will encounter people that don't care, and I will encounter people that will approve.

Ultimately the only opinion that matters is my own - as that is based on actual experience.

Thanks all.

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Originally Posted by 'shaeman',index.php?page=Thread&postID=98580#post9 8580

So - If i multibox my hunters but don't twink them will that make me a better person? Will that meet with your approval.

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well, i kinda think thats not the issue here.
If u multibox lvl19 chars and twink them, u'll be harassed by twinks, not by us. Ur always approved here :P

Thanks Merujo.

I think I took the anti twink hatred personally. I respect vyndree and naysayer a lot from their posts on the forum (don't alway agree with their opinions on all things) but I guess when you get a bit of flak from folks you respect it gets to you more.

Suffice it to say fighting in the 19 bgs has it's challenges and fun that don't involve getting enjoyment from killing newbs. I've had epic battles. I've had epic tussles 1 vs 1.

I'll roll my hunters - will twink them out to a degree and then see how it goes in the bg's. I suspect as another poster said I will find it becomes boring. (If indeed it is that easy to cut through the opposition then what's the point, and where's the challenge). I know that when I stopped in the 19 bg bracket on my hunter I didn't have to twink out to take twink rogues out (and that was before I even knew how to kite properly). 3 hunters may make it a bit too much like easy mode.

I'll see if i can work out fraps and video uploading and put it on this site for those that want to see it.

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Originally Posted by 'shaeman',index.php?page=Thread&postID=98675#post9 8675

Thanks Merujo.

I think I took the anti twink hatred personally. I respect vyndree and naysayer a lot from their posts on the forum (don't alway agree with their opinions on all things) but I guess when you get a bit of flak from folks you respect it gets to you more.

Suffice it to say fighting in the 19 bgs has it's challenges and fun that don't involve getting enjoyment from killing newbs. I've had epic battles. I've had epic tussles 1 vs 1.

I'll roll my hunters - will twink them out to a degree and then see how it goes in the bg's. I suspect as another poster said I will find it becomes boring. (If indeed it is that easy to cut through the opposition then what's the point, and where's the challenge). I know that when I stopped in the 19 bg bracket on my hunter I didn't have to twink out to take twink rogues out (and that was before I even knew how to kite properly). 3 hunters may make it a bit too much like easy mode.

I'll see if i can work out fraps and video uploading and put it on this site for those that want to see it.

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I'd suggest making a twink guild, recruit on your server, and queuing as a premade. Post on your battlegroup forums and find other twink guilds to queue up against and at what times they commonly play. There are a few twink communities just like the boxing community, and they do have premade vs premade quite often, which even those who are passionately against twinks can agree is respectful and actually kinda cool. It's a much different aspect than just the average joe twink queuing to poon pug noobz. Hell, start your own league in your battlegroup if there isn't one. If you build it, they will come.

I've not had a great deal of luck with guilds (either pve or pvp).

They invariably seem to be full of inactives (With next to no one on). heck my own guild has been slowly dying off over a period of months, to the point where I only keep it going so me and my kids have a massive shared bank facility.

I have hestiated about running in premades. My experience of them has been on the receiving end only which with a mixed team was generally a complete whitewash. Unfortunately when I did encounter a premade I've seen them do 2 quick flag caps, then sit either at the bottom of the graveyard with the third flag (which at least shows some honour) or graveyard camping. Personally If the battle was overwhelmingly one sided like that I wouldn't be getting any enjoyment from it even if i was on the winning team.

Does anyone have experience in premades - what sort of percentages of your battles turn out to be premade vs premade?

I guess I should try it and see myself - as battlegroups may vary widely.

Thanks for the suggestion.

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Originally Posted by 'shaeman',index.php?page=Thread&postID=98707#post9 8707

I've not had a great deal of luck with guilds (either pve or pvp).

They invariably seem to be full of inactives (With next to no one on). heck my own guild has been slowly dying off over a period of months, to the point where I only keep it going so me and my kids have a massive shared bank facility.

I have hestiated about running in premades. My experience of them has been on the receiving end only which with a mixed team was generally a complete whitewash. Unfortunately when I did encounter a premade I've seen them do 2 quick flag caps, then sit either at the bottom of the graveyard with the third flag (which at least shows some honour) or graveyard camping. Personally If the battle was overwhelmingly one sided like that I wouldn't be getting any enjoyment from it even if i was on the winning team.

Does anyone have experience in premades - what sort of percentages of your battles turn out to be premade vs premade?

I guess I should try it and see myself - as battlegroups may vary widely.

Thanks for the suggestion.

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Well, ever since group queuing for AV was implemented Blizzard also added a system that really does a good job of matching premade vs premade. It's not very popular among premade mostly because the majority of premades were looking for that easy win and not really interested in facing other premades. So, the people looking for easy wins just stopped creating premades because they weren't easy wins anymore and lots of the legit premades looking for good fights have to sit in queue for quite a bit now while the system tries to match them against another premade, but if the wait begins to get too long it will just throw them against a pug with a small amount of pregrouped characters (think dualboxers and friends who group). This is bad news for those "easy win" guys, but great news for people who are actually looking for a premade vs premade, which I've seen every so often posted by twink guilds in the battlegroup forums. Get about 3-4 twink guilds queuing as premades, post the epic battles on the forums, more twink guilds arise or join current teams for more premade teams and that's a pretty sweet deal. The system is there now, and I'm sure there are a few leugues already going. Maybe I'll go look in the forums and see if I can find a decent example.

What is twinking, really? And when do you cross the line from a well-geared toon into a twink?

I have a level 19 hunter with the full Fang set and Venomstrike and some okay enchants. He's not in optimal gear, he doesn't have the fishing hat with the +100 HP enchant, but he's still geared well enough to occasionally top PUG BG damage charts. With this level of gear he can best an "average" level 19 toon.

Is my little hunter in druid gear a twink? Or am I just making a minimal effort (a few hours of boosting in WC) to make my BG experience more competitive and enjoyable?

In my opinion, twinking is merely the process of going into a competitive situation with the best tools available. The fact that an average toon in raggedy quest reward greens will get smoked by a toon geared and talented specifically for PVP seems to be working as intended.

I also have a larger question about why non-twink 19s run BGs. But that's another story.

To those saying its all about "owning" those with lesser gear, I think maybe you should check out your battlegroup forums and read the threads that are for the various brackets. Quite a few of the twinks are trying to organize premade games, they enjoy the competition of playing against other twinks. Yes i know some people its all about owning the new players, they are the same people with a 70 rogue in the guild "mayor of darkshire" sitting in darkshire ganking noobs, then laughing at there awesome battle prowess.

Hard to imagine i know. Some people don't like the grind for new gear every time a new arena season comes around, or a new expansion.

I dont have any twinks currently but i used to play some in the past and i know the most fun i had was when it was a full twink vs twink wsg. If the opposing factions twinks were not queueing then we would stop aswell, since its not much fun owning the new players all day long.


I say good luck with your twinks. Every game is harder for the new players that join 3 years in. Ever play AC and try to re roll on darktide? Or DAOC and rolling newbs on one of the dreds? Atleast in wow you dont have to queue up eh?

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Originally Posted by 'shaeman',index.php?page=Thread&postID=98675#post9 8675

I think I took the anti twink hatred personally. I respect vyndree and naysayer a lot from their posts on the forum (don't alway agree with their opinions on all things) but I guess when you get a bit of flak from folks you respect it gets to you more.

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Nah I wasn't giving you flak, I was giving some of the solo twink mentality flak for harassing multiboxers for making the low-end PvP brackets "unfair" when they should really look in the mirror.

In essence, they will want you out of "their" arena bracket because they feel you have an unfair advantage. However, if they were to look at twinked level 19's going up against non-twinked level 19's.... they're doing the exact same thing. They twink because they don't want competition -- they want easy kills without having to worry about skill -- it's all about gear. If you come in and make things challenging for them, they will QQ at you. No, it's not fair for them to do so. But they will anyway.

You see? Sorry if it came off like I didn't want you to twink, I just wanted to give you very clear expectations that you probably will get harassed by the twinks you kill. And, in my opinion, if/when they do QQ at you it will be very hypocritical for them to do so.

In any case, I wasn't making fun of you in the least -- I was making fun of the twinks you'll probably face in the future who don't actually want to work for their wins and would rather cry about how unfair it is than actually learn how to play.

i dont see whats bad about twinking i often wonder wtf thoose guys with S3/s4 maxed out marks and honor do bgs for?

It feels just the same way as playing against twinks on a normal char.