New Shaman Changes incoming.

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07-30-2008, 11:28 AM
Sina

New Shaman Changes incoming.

Spirit Wolves and Shaman polish soon (src)
Spirit Wolves will have abilities (like a stun, snare etc.) and will serve as a DPS timer.
We'll be working on a Shaman polish very soon.

Paralysis situation (src)
Paralysis is being replaced with something soon, along with a few other changes to deep Elemental.

Lightning Bolt Coefficient (src)
Lightning Bolt always had a higher coefficient than similar bolt spells. This was because there weren't as much/any nature damage debuffs. Now that they exist, we're restoring Lightning Bolt to it's intended coefficient. Your DPS in a raid setting will if anything be higher with these changes.

No new ranks of Chain Heal? (src)
It's not intended, we're still working on new ranks.

Enhancement Tier Gear stats reworked? (src)
We hope to retroactively change some of the gear on live so the transition is less painful for classes whose core mechanics are changing.

www.worldofraids.com
07-30-2008, 11:35 AM
Naysayer

RE: New Shaman Changes incoming.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Sina',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95351#post9535 1

Spirit Wolves and Shaman polish soon (src)
Spirit Wolves will have abilities (like a stun, snare etc.) and will serve as a DPS timer.
We'll be working on a Shaman polish very soon.

Paralysis situation (src)
Paralysis is being replaced with something soon, along with a few other changes to deep Elemental.

Lightning Bolt Coefficient (src)
Lightning Bolt always had a higher coefficient than similar bolt spells. This was because there weren't as much/any nature damage debuffs. Now that they exist, we're restoring Lightning Bolt to it's intended coefficient. Your DPS in a raid setting will if anything be higher with these changes.

No new ranks of Chain Heal? (src)
It's not intended, we're still working on new ranks.

Enhancement Tier Gear stats reworked? (src)
We hope to retroactively change some of the gear on live so the transition is less painful for classes whose core mechanics are changing.

www.worldofraids.com

Raid damage will be higher only due to the change to warlocks Curse of elements including nature damage. It's bad news for us.
07-30-2008, 11:49 AM
Nixi

that is indead incredibly bad news that COE is including nature damage. I discovered with my locks/mage first hand how DPS is balanced to include all debuffs/buffs available in a raid setting. Yep, our dmg is getting nerfed it looks like.

Hurray for my 10 boxing setup, Boo for my arena setup. :(
07-30-2008, 12:07 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

It's only 10%. :P
07-30-2008, 01:05 PM
Naysayer

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Originally Posted by 'Ughmahedhurtz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95371 #post95371

It's only 10%. :P

10% x 5

:(
07-30-2008, 01:15 PM
Sarduci

That's assuming your not pally x1, elemental x3 and resto x1. [img]../forum/images/smilies/biggrin.png[/img]
07-30-2008, 01:46 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

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Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95403#post 95403

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Ughmahedhurtz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95371 #post95371

It's only 10%. :P

10% x 5

:(

lolwut? 10% is 10%.
07-30-2008, 01:58 PM
Vyndree

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Ughmahedhurtz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95371 #post95371

It's only 10%. :P

Don't forget, along with the CoE changes, we've also got more synergy with boomkins. (Talent: "Earth and Moon")
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=48513

3x shaman 1x boomkin inc?
07-30-2008, 02:05 PM
Stabface

So... need to drop a Shaman for a Warlock for CoE. And then drop another for a Boomkin. Might as well drop a 3rd one for a Shadow Priest and 4th one for a Holy Priest at that point? :/
07-30-2008, 02:17 PM
Drizzit

great i was so planning on making 3 mages when i got my 2 teams to 70... now i just might make 3 druids or maybe 4 (respec 1 to tank when they cap). Or i could do three more teams 3 mages 1 druid, 2 hunters (already have 1 at 70) 2 druids, and three priests and warrior (have warrior at 43 now so why not finish him off). so that will cover almost all range dps :( this will take some time
07-30-2008, 02:22 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

<large friendly letters>Don't panic!</large friendly letters>

Seriously. 10% is being thrown around without much evidence to back it up in practice. Considering where elemental shammies usually sit on the raid damage meters, I can't see them doing any serious shammy nerfing for LB/CL and I'd bet that 10% number is overstated. I could be wrong, though. Which is one of the reasons I roll so many groups. While I'm guaranteed to be hit by most any nerf, I don't suffer from one single nerf affecting every toon I have. :P
07-30-2008, 03:04 PM
�eceased

RE: New Shaman Changes incoming.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Sina',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95351#post9535 1

Spirit Wolves will have abilities (like a stun, snare etc.) and will serve as a DPS timer.

what does that mean exactly? I don't understand... :S ok so they have stuns and snares.. and will time our dps? but dps is already a value independent of time itself so the service of timing is irrelevant! :P

Quote:

We'll be working on a Shaman polish very soon.

*cough* "to cover up the mess we've made"

on another note.. I don't understand what was wrong with paralysis.. yet shamans on the wow forums seem happy that it's being removed!! have I gone crazy?
07-30-2008, 06:07 PM
Naysayer

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Originally Posted by 'Ughmahedhurtz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95420 #post95420

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Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95403#post 95403

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Ughmahedhurtz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95371 #post95371

It's only 10%. :P

10% x 5

:(

lolwut? 10% is 10%.

10% of 5 is more than 10% of 1. :(
07-30-2008, 07:51 PM
Toned

Each character doing 10% less dmg would be your total group damage going down by 10%.
Reducing the damage by 50% would be like 2 1/2 boxing. Your 5 10% nerfed damage shamans will do an ASSLOAD more dmg than 2.5 shamans.

Example: 5 shamans all 5 do 1000dmg.

5x1000 = 5,000dmg

10% of 1000 is 100 so now all do 900dmg

5x 900 = 4500dmg

4500dmg is exactly 10% less than 5,000dmg not 50%.

5x10% of the total group damage = 50% of 1 shaman, so it would be like 4.5 boxing instead of 5 boxing in terms of damage. If your damage hit 2500dmg then yes you got a 50% nerf but it isn't that way. Math ftw.
07-30-2008, 08:06 PM
Stabface

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95527#pos t95527

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Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95525#post 95525

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Originally Posted by 'Ughmahedhurtz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95420 #post95420

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Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95403#post 95403

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Originally Posted by 'Ughmahedhurtz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95371 #post95371

It's only 10%. :P

10% x 5

:(

lolwut? 10% is 10%.

10% of 5 is more than 10% of 1. :(

holy jesus

seriously... get a calculator.

OK :

Standard heroic instance group has healer, tank, 3dps each doing 1000 dps on average each. Trash Mob has 30,000 HP. Normal time-to-kill (TTK) is 10 seconds of DPS, this is our baseline.
Elemental Shaman get nerfed to 900 DPS.

In a normal group, one of those DPS happens to be an Elemental Shaman, so the TTK increases to 30000/2900 = 10.34 seconds or a 3.4% increase.

In a 'classic' multibox group, all three of the DPS happens to be an Elemental Shaman, so the TTK increases to 30000/2700 = 11.11 seconds or a 11.1% increase over baseline.

In a 5 shaman group, all 5 DPS is an Elemental Shaman and your TTK increase from 30000/5000 = 6 seconds to 30000/4500 = 6.67 seconds or a 10% increase over baseline.
07-30-2008, 08:34 PM
Ughmahedhurtz

Fascinating, isn't it? Naysayer, you http://l00py.net/phpbb/images/smiles/writing.gif?
07-30-2008, 10:20 PM
Stealthy

I don't mind the dps nerf, becuase we get CC in the form of hex. And Hexed mobs don't heal like poly'd ones do! :D

Hex150 Mana 20 yd range
1.5 sec cast 45 sec cooldown

Transforms the enemy into a frog. While hexed, the target cannot attack or cast spells. Damage caused may interrupt the effect. Lasts 30 sec. Only one target can be hexed at a time. Only works on Humanoids and Beasts.

Note the word "may" there - which means its a chance to break on damage like fear.

Cheers,
S.
07-30-2008, 10:21 PM
Jaese

Castsequence Hex will be delicious.
07-30-2008, 10:53 PM
Naysayer

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Originally Posted by 'Ughmahedhurtz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95559 #post95559

Fascinating, isn't it? Naysayer, you http://l00py.net/phpbb/images/smiles/writing.gif?

wtf?

All i said was that the nerf hurts shaman multiboxers more than the average joe solo shaman, since it's a loss of 10% to each of the multiboxers 5 shaman. It's really not that confusing. If you mistook 10% x 5(shaman) as -50% damage overall, you need to go back to math class.
07-30-2008, 11:33 PM
Anozireth

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Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95424#post9 5424

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Ughmahedhurtz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95371 #post95371

It's only 10%. :P

Don't forget, along with the CoE changes, we've also got more synergy with boomkins. (Talent: "Earth and Moon")
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?spell=48513

3x shaman 1x boomkin inc?

*points to signature* Way ahead of ya! :thumbsup:
07-31-2008, 12:12 AM
Ughmahedhurtz

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Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95592#post 95592

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Ughmahedhurtz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95559 #post95559

Fascinating, isn't it? Naysayer, you http://l00py.net/phpbb/images/smiles/writing.gif?

wtf?

All i said was that the nerf hurts shaman multiboxers more than the average joe solo shaman, since it's a loss of 10% to each of the multiboxers 5 shaman. It's really not that confusing. If you mistook 10% x 5(shaman) as -50% damage overall, you need to go back to math class.

lol...settle down, Beavis. :P Just giving you grief.