New Pc Low FPS issues (3 sessions)

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07-30-2008, 06:49 AM
ataylor20

New Pc Low FPS issues (3 sessions)

Well ive read up a bit on what to check and i feel ive done a bunch of different tests.

Current setup:

PC:
Q6600
(2) EVGA GeForce 8800GTS
8 gig ram

Using 1 video card (output 1 & 2) Prefer to use both cards
Disabled VSync in all sessions and on Nvidia
Lowered all Multisampling to 24bit color 16bit depth 1xmulti (main) 2 clones 16, 16, 8x
FPS Main 12 Clone 1 (11) Clone 2 (11-12) This is not in Shatra either.

Dual video cards seem to be the same fps. I am using keyclone and Ive tried maximizer with very little change from this. Please im open for any ideas.

-Drew :thumbdown:
07-30-2008, 08:52 AM
Naysayer

just a WoW issue or do you have problems with other games too?
07-30-2008, 09:28 AM
zanthor

RE: New Pc Low FPS issues (3 sessions)

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'ataylor20',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95247#pos t95247

Well ive read up a bit on what to check and i feel ive done a bunch of different tests.

Current setup:

PC:
Q6600
(2) EVGA GeForce 8800GTS
8 gig ram

Using 1 video card (output 1 & 2) Prefer to use both cards
Disabled VSync in all sessions and on Nvidia
Lowered all Multisampling to 24bit color 16bit depth 1xmulti (main) 2 clones 16, 16, 8x
FPS Main 12 Clone 1 (11) Clone 2 (11-12) This is not in Shatra either.

Dual video cards seem to be the same fps. I am using keyclone and Ive tried maximizer with very little change from this. Please im open for any ideas.

-Drew :thumbdown:

OS?
07-30-2008, 09:33 AM
ataylor20

Vista Business 32bit.

Something isnt setup right. with 2 cards Ive got to be getting better FPS than this.

Solo now im getting 25 if im lucky goes up and down to 11 - 24.

-Drew
07-30-2008, 09:40 AM
Otlecs

Quote:

Vista Business 32bit.

Are you really running Vista32 with 8GB RAM? If you are then, quite honestly, whoever sold it to you should be shot.

How much video RAM do your two cards have (this will reduce the total memory available to a 32bit version of Windows)?

Have you looked in the performance monitor to see if there are any clues in there (what exactly is constraining you)?

How much physical memory does the task manager / performance monitor report to be available when you're running 3 WoWs? How much in total, too?

I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that you don't have enough accessible memory.
07-30-2008, 10:04 AM
Ba�a

BTW, you won't gain any noticeable advantage in having 2 graphic cards... WoW doesn't take advantage of SLI technology. I've had it, tried it... and sold one.
How much FPS's do you get when u're running a single WoW client? W/o multi-boxing?
07-30-2008, 10:26 AM
ataylor20

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Otlecs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95302#post95 302

Quote:

Vista Business 32bit.

Are you really running Vista32 with 8GB RAM?

-Have vista 32 bit for free, thought id try it. Was told that 64 vs 32 wouldn't make any difference.

How much video RAM do your two cards have (this will reduce the total memory available to a 32bit version of Windows)?

-2 512, if using 2 1gb

Have you looked in the performance monitor to see if there are any clues in there (what exactly is constraining you)?

-Do add-ons effect this?

How much physical memory does the task manager / performance monitor report to be available when you're running 3 WoWs? How much in total, too?

-Ill check after the instance run im on now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Ba�a',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95307#post9530 7

BTW, you won't gain any noticeable advantage in having 2 graphic cards... WoW doesn't take advantage of SLI technology. I've had it, tried it... and sold one.

- Without SLI wouldnt it still provide more FPS with twice the cards and ram?

How much FPS's do you get when u're running a single WoW client? W/o multi-boxing?

- And now in single im only getting 15-25fps.

This is crap i did have it at 45ish, not sure what I changed but ill reboot and try single again.

-Drew
07-30-2008, 10:29 AM
zanthor

With 8GB of ram on a 32 bit OS he should still be seeing about 3gb which is more than enough to run 3 clients. I'd definitely suggest pulling the 2nd card out, depending on your mainboard the 2nd card could be throttled to 4 or 8 PCI-Express lanes instead of 16, which if someone sold you 8gb of ram and a 32bit OS then they likely didn't sell you a good mainboard... if you built and spec'd the system yourself it's quite possibly the cumulative noob mistakes killing you.

So from here I'd pull the 2nd card physically from the machine, see if your performance gets better. You may want to drop the memory down to 4gb and test it then. I doubt the extra 4gb would affect anything but it's possible.
07-30-2008, 10:38 AM
Otlecs

- Note that this post crossed zanthor's post in the ether, so ignore any duplication of information :) -

Quote:

> if using 2 1gb

That'll be 1Gb flat then, leaving you with a shade over 2Gb of available memory under a 32bit OS.

It doesn't matter if you actively use them, they're still "mapped" into memory unless you've physically removed them. Disabling one in device manager might have the same effect, but I couldn't swear to that.

Quote:

- Without SLI wouldnt it still provide more FPS with twice the cards and ram?

Generally not. Applications need to be specifically coded to take advantage of SLI / Crossfire technology. You might get a gain if you connected a monitor to each (i.e. drive each monitor from a separate card), but I've no experience with that myself.

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Was told that 64 vs 32 wouldn't make any difference

Ohhh no you weren't! Silencer specifically mentioned the increased memory addressing capabilities of 64 bit OSes in your thread about the machine before you ordered it :)

32 bit OSes can only address an absolute maximum combined total of 4Gb (including video RAM). It's actually a bit less, but that's a good starting point for this sort of discussion.

Quote:

-Do add-ons effect this?

Add-ons will increase the total amount of memory each WoW needs, but it's usually a small amount in the big scheme of things. Some add-ons can also cause frame rate reductions if they're hooked into lots of events and/or aren't coded very well.

It'll be interesting to see how much memory the task manager reports, but I think I see an (pain-free) migration to Vista64 in your future :D
07-30-2008, 10:56 AM
Lokked

32-bit OS only recognises 3.2GB Ram, and not 4GB.

Subtract 1 GB due to your video cards leaves you with 2.2GB Ram. Running 3 instances each taking approx 500MB leaves your OS and running progs with ~700MB, which is generally low for Vista.

I can understand how his framerates are lower then expected.

Remove a video card completely, or you could try disabling it in Device Manager.
Install a 64-bit OS immediately, be it XP 64 or Vista 64.
When using 2 monitors in Vista, choose Dual View (or Clone) and not Horizontal Stretch View. The 2 monitors should be plugged into the same card (obvious, if you followed the above steps).
The Alts should be run on 800x600 resolution, then manipulated however you like using maximizer. If you are using a widescreen, choose an appropriate widescreen res compared to 800x600.

The number 1 thing is getting a 64-bit OS. You can try to deal with your framerates using SLI, and I'm sure you will be able to get decent framerates, but the above is a recommendation that will guarentee a fix for your problem.

I run a Q6600, 4GB Ram, 512MB GT8800 w/Dual Monitor, Vista 64, 5 instances.
I run with combined 98MB addons running between the 5 instances and get 25FPS on active and 25FPS on Inactive instances in Shatt, 40FPS on Active and 30FPS (max setting as per Config.wtf) everywhere else.
07-30-2008, 11:13 AM
Otlecs

Quote:

32-bit OS only recognises 3.2GB Ram, and not 4GB.

I agree with everything you've said, and am convinced it's the "available memory problem" I mentioned in my first response, but I always talk "around" 4GB because people tend to get very picky otherwise!

For example, my wife's XP32 box reports - and uses - 3.7GB with her 256Mb graphics card. My Vista32 box reports 3.2GB. My Vista32 box with 2x1GB graphics cards reported something less than 2GB before I upgraded to Vista64.

So, yes, it's something less than 4GB, but I avoided specific figures because it does actually vary, and it's even more confusing since Vista SP1 which correctly identifies and reports 4GB of installed memory in its 32 bit editions, whilst only actually using something less than that!

:wacko:
07-30-2008, 11:20 AM
zanthor

[quote='Lokked',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95327# post95327]32-bit OS only recognises 3.2GB Ram, and not 4GB.[/quote]Edit: [url='http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=User&userID=333']Otlecs[/url] stop crossposting with me :P.

This is not exactly accurate.

32 bit windows OS's can address exactly 4GB of memory space. EVERY DEVICE takes from that. Sound card, bios, ata controller, sata controller, usb controller, etc etc etc.

On average you will end up with 3.2-3.4gb of ram addressable. Video memory has to be addressed as well, so stacking two 1gb cards into a 32bit system would have a negative impact as discussed here.
07-30-2008, 01:24 PM
Anjuna

What is the wattage of your power supply?

Only reason I ask is due to a similar issue I am having with Low FPS at times. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have heard this may be due to having an inadequate power supply. Just trying to compare issues here to maybe help you and myself out at the same time. :huh:
07-30-2008, 04:15 PM
Thulos

Anyone know of a way to see what devices are taking up addressable space in the 32 bit os's? I'm thinking there has to be a way to reclaim some of that space by disabling features in the bios such as raid controllers, on board sound, etc. On my single video card XP 32 installation i'm running into only 2.8g addressable memory which means devices are taking up 1.2g. This seems like an aweful lot when I only have a 512mb video card.
07-30-2008, 04:29 PM
Crucial

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Thulos',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95487#post95 487

Anyone know of a way to see what devices are taking up addressable space in the 32 bit os's? I'm thinking there has to be a way to reclaim some of that space by disabling features in the bios such as raid controllers, on board sound, etc. On my single video card XP 32 installation i'm running into only 2.8g addressable memory which means devices are taking up 1.2g. This seems like an aweful lot when I only have a 512mb video card.

Probably depends on your BIOS but in mine (its an Award) it shows installed memory as well as usable memory.
08-01-2008, 04:16 AM
ataylor20

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Flash',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95412#post954 12

What is the wattage of your power supply?

Only reason I ask is due to a similar issue I am having with Low FPS at times. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have heard this may be due to having an inadequate power supply. Just trying to compare issues here to maybe help you and myself out at the same time. :huh:

- I have a 750watt power supply. Hope thats more the sufficient.

I have loaded Vista 64 and im not seeing a huge difference so far although I have not done all my test scenarios.

So far using both video cards :( i am getting 15fps Main and 8-12 on Both alts on 2nd screen and card.

I will try this with one card later today and report back just ran out of time prior to work. Im curious if there are any settings or known issues with nvidia forceware versions I should know about. Just sucks that twice the memory non-SLI wouldnt give slightly better results even. Another thing is the amount of Mods I have. I will try killing them as well.

Thx for all the help guys.

-Drew
08-01-2008, 04:30 AM
Golle

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Flash',index.php?page=Thread&postID=95412#post954 12

What is the wattage of your power supply?

Only reason I ask is due to a similar issue I am having with Low FPS at times. Correct me if I am wrong, but I have heard this may be due to having an inadequate power supply. Just trying to compare issues here to maybe help you and myself out at the same time. :huh:

I believe you are wrong there. From my own experience of bad power supplys the only thing that occured was random crashes, simply because the supply couldn't give me enough power. It doesn't affect framerate at all.
08-01-2008, 04:31 AM
Golle

double post :S
08-01-2008, 06:36 AM
ataylor20

Current Verdict:

-Vista 64bit and dual monitors
-Using both video cards
-changed around a few mods so running about half of what I was.
-Made a change to config.wtf (Was at SET coresDetected "1", therefore processAffinityMask did not exist.)
Changed: SET coresDetected "4"
SET processAffinityMask = "15"
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Currently getting up to 75FPS Main screen 1 session of Wow
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3 Sessions:
Main full screen 36FPS, 2nd Screen both sessions 15-25 FPS

MUCH BETTER!!!

Thanks to all

-Drew :thumbsup: