Are we too harsh?

Well this is my take on things...

Are we too harsh?

First off we got to understand that this is a relative question. Are we too harsh in compared to what? the WoW forums? Umm...no, HELL NO!!!

That being said in my opinion no I don't believe overall we are too harsh. Are there at times that certain posts have a bit of harshness to them? Mmm..yea. I've seen a couple of responses in posts that were a bit curt and short with people. Nothing I've really sat back and was like, "Omg that was so uncalled for..." Just a few things here are there like "Why don't you check the stickies instead of being lazy?" or "Hmm maybe you think we have a wiki for decorations?" Those aren't exact quotes but they get the idea across.


However I would like to point one thing out. In not just interwebz forums but in life in general that things like this generally start out small and and get a tiny bit bigger

"Why don't you check out the stickies first? noob.."

and a tiny bit bigger "Why don't you check out the stickies first? L2readnoob and stop being lazy"

and bigger "OMFG!!!1! Perhap you didn't see the clearly written stickies that point out exactly what you and the last 10 noobs before you posted today?"

and bigger "Hmm if a were a lazy noob where would I be? In the wrong gd damn forums asking stupid questions instead of doing the obvious and checking the umm...STICKIES!!! or hell I don't know the WIKI!!! that clearly states all this crap that even a retarded monkey could figure out???!!! But nooooo, waste all our time making stupid posts, retard!!!"

till eventually you have the official WoW Forums... :(


Now obviously this forum is aways away from the WoW forums' level of fail but could it eventually happen? Certainly. Thankfully our moderators seem much more involved in the community than that though.

I like being nice, so I'll try to be as much as possible. But honestly, if it's something blatently obvious on other posts, stickies, or wiki, then I just won't respond.

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Originally Posted by 'antishadow',index.php?page=Thread&postID=66969#po st66969

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Originally Posted by 'Gadzooks',index.php?page=Thread&postID=66963#post 66963

Antishadow, are you under the impression this is a public forum provided as part of a larger service, or a forum you pay to access, thus have rights?

This is a private clubhouse. Them are the house rules. This is not Blizzard. This is run by the people who do it for fun, and owe you no obligations, you are a guest, and should act like one.

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I never stated that or implied that did I? I will only treat people the way I've been treated. I only stated that if people just post use the search without anything else it will clutter up the search results causing more postings that everyone dislikes so much because its harder to find what you're after. Wow. Just... Wow.

I will note that its not the "rude" person that will clutter up the results, its the person who wrote the original thread however if a link or more specific reply was given it would clean up the search results for anyone else who happened to search and got that thread.

But hey - its just a suggestion. Should I not have any interest in helping out a popular forum or site that discusses something that I enjoy?

*edit: my apologies for replying to a comment made on the first page. i didn't realize this topic was 5 pages long. doh!

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Anti - can I call you Anti? - it's very simple. You could have addressed the issue privately with the people who own this clubhouse, or been a LOT nicer in your post.

Yes, you might be right - but it's how you posted it, that made me ask you what I did. Tone down the sarcasm a bit, when asking for someone to fix something.

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Originally Posted by Buzzatronic',index.php?page=Thread&postID=66965#po st66965][quote='ken_vh',index.php?page=Thread&postID=66918# post66918]"Forums made up of mostly technically oriented people tend to be harsh", that might not have meant as an attack, still it was a negative comment that I wanted to reply on.[/quote]
If saying the forum is harsh in some way is negative, why aren't you replying to all the other posts by much more established members that say the forums are just the right amount of harsh or not harsh enough because noobs need to l2search or l2sticky?
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Anyone that claims "noobs need to l2search or l2sticky" is derogatory and being harsh, I think we can both agree on that. And I think that I am as much against that as you are. You were talking about the whole forum, not about specific people being harsh, that's why I specifically reacted on your post. It was a generalization that is in my opinion not true.
And yes, the "keyclone contains a keylogger!!111" topic was a good sample of people being harsh. But how many topics like these are there? And the case of this topic: a harsh topic start will more likely lead to harsh reactions.
Ok, then there's quite a few topics like "I'm new and need help" where people just reply "read the stickies and the wiki pages!" is that harsh? It definitely isn't to me...

[quote]You're reading WAY MORE into what I'm saying than I'm actually saying and as a result, you're spamming your wall of text key in defense of something you think I'm attacking. Take a step back, take a breath and realize that I'm agreeing with most of the people in this thread with what I'm saying, rather than assuming I'm trying to be negative or attacking someone or something you feel doesn't deserve it.[/quote]
Sometimes, to explain yourself, it takes a bit more than 1 sentence. I think I agree with you in some ways, I just disagree when you generalize certain things onto the whole community.

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Originally Posted by Buzzatronic

Ultimately it doesn't matter since the forum is what it is and the people and personalities in the forum are not going to change.

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If a whole forum has a specific personality, why should the forum change and not that one person?
[edit] I'm not saying that a whole forum can't be wrong, I'm just pointing out that it's *likely* that it's a user problem, not a forum problem.

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Where did I say anything needed to change? I simply stated things are the way they are and that's the way they'll stay. I didn't assign blame one way or another yet it appears you are assuming I did. Again, you're reading way more than I'm writing my friend. Relax.

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When someone says something along the lines of "people are not going to change" (and especially in this context) it usually implies that they'd rather see it(e.g. the behavior of people towards new people) changed. Then again, I might have interpreted it wrong that way.

Anyway, no hard feelings ;) My stress levels are pretty much ok ;P

when i first came here i used the search to find out all i can before i posted. But there is a ton out there and some things are hard to search for. Even now i have trouble finding things, like i type in av or ab or bg in the search and nothing comes up. I know that a lot of stuff is answered like 50 times but maybe instead of saying read wiki is not the best answer because they don't know where to look in the wiki. Maybe linking them to the wiki would be better or to a similar post. I remember when i first started posting, i said if there is something out there let me know, if someone had a link i would follow it. I have to say that you guys are nice when it comes to answering questions, and pretty fast too.

Here are a couple thoughs:
- If someone has a similar post link them to that post and no one else reply to that post. That way they will post on that thread instead of there thread. If 5 people are asking the same general thing in different post then someone says go to this post, that 5 just become one and even though it is a stupid post, only 1 post gets bumped instead of 5.
- Is there any way that the search can be find to make it a little more user friendly?
- Maybe we could have a couple more main forms so it is easier to find stuff?

The problem is that since this community is generally pretty helpful and responsive, the forums are starting to get full of daily posts that cross into "How do I play WoW" ground. Writing macros is not boxing-specific, fixing your graphics is not boxing-specific, understanding classes is not boxing-specific, yet we are seeing more and more of those questions.

Or, we have absolute winners like this one today: Help me :S

I mean, WTF?

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=67203#pos t67203

Anyway, love me or hate me, I don't care. Make stupid posts that cover a topic that has been beaten to death, I'm going to tell you to push the search button.

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I'd rather see you nuke the post before it has a chance to warrant any replies...

I am comming into this post kinda late but I found everyone here pretty helpful when I posted a very specific question. But multiboxing can be intimidating because there is a pretty big learning curve to it all, I would think that the average person would look at all this and say HOLY COW !!!! But bottom line is if you really want to do it, you will find a way to do it.

Thank you to everyone who has helped me out in the past !!! And i assure I will be asking many more questions in the future !!! :thumbsup:

Bottom line here (from what I can see in this and other threads) is that we're exceedingly helpful to people who ask specific questions and moderately helpful when people ask more general questions. The ones we tend to flame are the ones that absolutely fail at trying to communicate in any meaningful manner and/or have obviously spent zero time researching anything whatsoever.

Using these forums is much like using google: garbage in, garbage out. (though I will say that the built-in search function leaves much to be desired with regards to pattern matching and search result relevance)