Woot! Mounts at level 20 for 5 gold, epic land at lvl 40, 150% speed normal flyers at level 60 in 3.2!!!

I feel compelled to respond to your post, as you seem to have taken an unreasonable position and tried to support it with opinion while trying to make it sound like fact. Your indignance is also crystal clear, and I have to agree with another posted that you come across like an a@@hole, whether you mean to or not.

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If you don't like me saying that people don't deserve to have things handed to them on a silver platter, so what. It's my opinion and I'm sticking to it because I feel strongly for it and have always felt strongly for it. This is exactly the same context that you are "judging me for judging them" which I don't have a problem with. Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean that I (or you) are wrong.

So, basically what you want to communicate here is that you don't care about anyone's opinion but your own, and don't want to hear any arguments to the contrary - logic and reason bedamned!

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I strongly feel that the way they are speeding up leveling and making the game "easier" is detrimental to the game. Some of the biggest complaints from people is that their isn't enough content out and they have done all the current content.

Which people? Hardcore raiders? I've been playing WoW consistently for 2+ years, and I haven't come anywhere close to seeing all the content. Are you a representative for the tiny percentage of people that have a huge amount of free time to play WoW much like a job, rather than the majority that do so when life allows?

And seriously - if you've run out of content, it's not like there aren't a gazillion other awesome games you can play to fill that time. Nope, can't do that - gotta make sure those lowbies stay put.

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If you level up an alt right now, you experience maybe HALF the content than you originally did due to xp gains and gear rewards, even less with RAF.

So, what I'm hearing is that you think every time someone levels up a character they should be forced to go through the majority of the content, even if they've done so many times before. What I'm not hearing is a good reason for why you think that's the case. Because it's not how you'd do it? Or maybe you attach sort of some special significance to grinding mobs and money so you could finally buy your first mount, and you'll be damned if others shouldn't have to grind for precisely the same amount of time and put forth the same amount of effort?

I got my very first mount's money from my guildmaster. Egad, I skipped your essential grinding! -5 level penalty! So sorry about that. If it makes you feel any better, I paid him back two weeks later from the money I earned naturally while levelling. It didn't ruin my fun or sense of accomplishment one bit.

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Not only that, but with so many of the "group" quests being converted to non-elite quests because people were having a hard time finding groups (with is a load of BS), the only real challenges were removed.

Have you tried doing some instances with a 4 or 5-box at the level for which the instance is intended? There's plenty of challenge to be had.

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So, basically, people are experiencing half the content and the content they are seeing, they are blowing through so quickly and easily that it's pointless to even really call it questing. This is how the changes that have been made to leveling are detrimental to the game. Throw in the BoA items that increase xp gains (which they are adding in another one that does stack) and it's getting even more ludicrous.

So what? What if the person playing actually enjoys the feeling of blasting through the content quickly? What if testing their speed in levelling is how they have fun? Why are you so against people having fun in a way that's works for them?

We get it, you are hardcore. Not sure why that entitles you to dictate what others do to have fun playing the game. My suggestion to you: don't use RAF, and don't buy mounts. If you enjoy running around on foot and levelling slowly, no one's stopping you. Problem solved!

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"But it's so boring"
Sorry, just because you have a lvl 80 doesn't mean that you deserve to have another max level character handed to you. It seems no one ever levels for the fun of it, all they do is level to get a max level character just so they can either do dailies or run naxx 10 and get free epics. Hey, if that's your playstyle, more power to you, but quit complaining about how the game design isn't catered to it.

This is just a mind-boggling statement. So I ask: why not? What difference does it make to you if I have 1, 2, 3, or 9 80's on my main account? Oh, right, I get it -- it's someone else having fun without going through some prescribed ritual of pain that you can't abide.

Oh, and I played the AH to make the money for my first epic flier. Oh, no! I failed to avoid tedium AGAIN!

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Shame on Blizzard for listening to the whiners. Typically the people I see complaining about it the most are people who just flat out don't know how to level. They are the people that have a friend come help them at lvl 33 to complete all the red quests in STV then complaining about not being able to find quests at lvl 40.

Perhaps you should spend less time listening to the people that constantly complain. I've not once heard of anything remotely like what you are talking about.

I'd be very curious to know how you arrived at the conclusion "Typically the people I see complaining about it the most are people who just flat out don't know how to level." My hunch is you pulled this from somewhere beneath your abdomen.

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The last comment that I am going to make is directly in response to the negative connotation you are saying about the "context of a video game". This I don't understand and I have never understood. This media driven ideology that playing a video game requires no thought, skill or brainpower is as ignorant as the reports that violent video games cause kids to be violent, rather than the parents taking the blame for not being proper parents. I would argue that certain aspects of the video game world define your character more than watching the latest episode of Grey's Anatomy, 24 or the Simpsons, as is common in a non-gaming person. In the professional world, we spend a majority of our time working through the same tools that are in game (email, texting, chatting, etc.) To say that the "real world" and the video game experience are two mutually exclusive things is just ignorant.

Dude. The second word is the key here. It's a game. You do it to ... wait for it.... have FUN! Why you don't want people to do so in a way that works well for them, I'll never understand.

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Originally Posted by 'Ualaa',index.php?page=Thread&postID=208120#post20 8120

The first (slow) flyer is currently 60%/60% ground/flying speed.
It is being changed to level 60 for availability, which means Outland quests are trivialized a lot sooner.
More importantly its being made faster for straight line travel then the Epic ground mount.
60% ground and 150% air speed is very nice.

I think the first point is a poor choice, but the second is amazing.
The whole reason to not have flyers until 70th, is because they trivialize so much content.
Avoid 90% of the mobs, land near the quest guy and kill him plus an add, then fly off again.
Cold Weather Flying, while a gold sink too, is not until 77th, to force players to actually play for most of Wrath.
Once you can fly, Wrath quests become a joke as far as difficulty goes, aside from a few group chains.
The thematic elements and story is still there for anyone that takes the time to read the lore.

Blizzard has been quoted on several occasions saying, the game was meant to be played at maximum level for 90% of your playtime.
Unlike most games in the genre, leveling up is designed to be a very small portion of that total.
I'd imagine Cold Weather Flying will be available at 71st, when the next expansion comes, and Wrath is something Blizz wants us to blow through.

Not necessarily a bad thing there.
Take EQ, where it would be two expansions before you upgraded all your gear from the current expansion if you always took the "best in-slot" item for your class.
It could take 2 years after joining a guild to have gear equivalent to current top raiders, because of DKP.
In BC, they pressed the reset switch, as they have done in Wrath.
Essentially nothing before the current expansion counts for anything, as far as gearing up.
Anyone that gets the expansion on Day 1, has as much shot as the top person in a class from the previous expansion.
Especially if a guild wipes DKP for a new expansion, as many do.

People will see more content by flying around northrend, alot of people will ground mount or grind to the next quest. Doing so I basically hit 68 by the time I leave terrokar forest , not even touching parts of nagrand, shadowmoon, BEM, or netherstorm. Flying to different quests will probably make me complete more quests with less grinding experience therefore getting more quests done and seeing more content imho.

Can't delete posts.

edit: lol in reference to a "deleted" post =)