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10-23-2012, 01:27 PM
remanz

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Originally Posted by valkry

Then you get kited by the mage and hunter which can hit just as hard

huh ? how can you kite me if i one shot you. plus warrior has avatar , which is a freedom for 20 seconds. If I cannot kill my target in 20 seconds, I lose anyway. Both hunter and mage are getting nerfed coming 5.1. Obviously all assumptions went away if dragon roar cannot hit for 90k + on my target due to shielding/damage reduction/heals/immunity.

Level 90 warriors now have group shield reflect for 5 seconds per warrior and an AOE root like elemental shamans. Its probably the best chance vs mage as ever been for warriors.
10-23-2012, 01:28 PM
heyaz

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Originally Posted by valkry

Then you get kited by the mage and hunter which can hit just as hard

Avatar makes you immune to snares and it'd have to be a pretty decent mage or hunter to kite all 4 of them. If they had really excellent timing they could make it so you never connect (deterrance, iceblock, blink at the right time so you can never apply a snare and get a hit).
10-23-2012, 01:47 PM
remanz

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Originally Posted by heyaz

Avatar makes you immune to snares and it'd have to be a pretty decent mage or hunter to kite all 4 of them. If they had really excellent timing they could make it so you never connect (deterrance, iceblock, blink at the right time so you can never apply a snare and get a hit).

well. that's true. Its a gimmicky surprise attack after all. Probably one shot them once, then they will learn to use defensive CDs early, prior to the charge. I played 4 warriors in season 10 during the bladestorm age. Getting kited quite a bit once bladestorm is over. Also didn't work out a good "shattering throw" scheme where I can stand still and round robin my shattering throw (pre-casted).

for a frost mage, I'd do my 1 shot macro with everything (immune to fear + root + snare), charge x 4. he blinks. I cast group spell reflect, charge again then cast AOE root, then just dragon roar his ass (in theory the mage is dead already). Right after dragon roar I cast shattering throw. Normal sane mage would IB already at this point. If Shattering throw connects, then I can kill the mage. If the mage use instant Ring of Frost, then all warriors have to trinket that.
10-23-2012, 04:30 PM
Shodokan

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Originally Posted by remanz

Ya, so in theory, I just cast all that stuff with charge. and dragon roar the moment my target is stunned by the charge. Profit! If Dragon Roar is really as good as I think it is, if it really just hit for 90k each, my target is dead the moment I charge in.

If you hit multiple targets your damage PLUMMITS to not even doing a total 50% of someone's HP (3+ targets). So theoretically you need to 1 shot someone who is not near anyone within radius of dragon's roar in order to have it work. Then you are going to eat stuns, snares, fears, polys and every other CC.

You cannot control multiple warrior's to even close to their potential in all departments...damage,control,mobility.

I have warriors at 90, trust me on the fact that it isn't as great as you might think.
10-23-2012, 05:05 PM
remanz

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Originally Posted by Shodokan

If you hit multiple targets your damage PLUMMITS to not even doing a total 50% of someone's HP (3+ targets). So theoretically you need to 1 shot someone who is not near anyone within radius of dragon's roar in order to have it work. Then you are going to eat stuns, snares, fears, polys and every other CC.

You cannot control multiple warrior's to even close to their potential in all departments...damage,control,mobility.

I have warriors at 90, trust me on the fact that it isn't as great as you might think.

Ya hitting multiple stuff will not be able to 1 shot my target. When it comes down to it, it is how fast my 4 warriors can kill. Rets can't kill at all. Back in the days when Rets are working, death grip in, hammer of justice served. Trinket or not, my target dies within 2 seconds. Now after I death grip, you can go get coffee and used bathroom, my target would still stand there. That's with 5 dps beating on him.

As for getting CCed, the whole point is to NOT get CCed and kill someone quickly.
what happened to that mass spell reflect for 5 seconds x 4. Imagine if DKs have 20 seconds anti magic shell, could the DKs kill someone with that ? Poping Avatar x 4 and round robin mass spell reflect. Then you are only just vulnerable to AOE stun (ring of frost or frost DK aoe freeze, have to trinket this) or AOE knock down (Pally blind). They can't fear/snare/root/sheep you. Not saying warriors are the solutions. Still think DK is better overall with grip. But warriors do have some stuff.
10-23-2012, 05:28 PM
heyaz

I feel like maybe we should all slow down a bit, enjoy the group(s) we raced to 90, and ride it out if it's a "rough patch" for your comp.

Work on your alt groups if you want alt groups, race them if you enjoy doing that, but don't do it solely by virtue that you're going to nail the OP, broken comp in the first season and dominate. For two reasons, one: things are going to balance out and change dramatically as they always do and your existing comp may become not just viable but amazing next seasons, and perhaps the opposite with your new theorycraft comp. And two: just because classes A, B, and C are doing crazy damage and blow up your toons, or have too much survivability and you can't kill them, doesn't automatically mean you can macro together four of them and become IDDQD.
10-23-2012, 05:37 PM
remanz

that's true. I agree. rough season for sure. Main thing is that I am looking for a reason to be excited and to get me to play the game again. No disrespect for others who do, but I can't justify my $75 to just login and do daily quests, run random heroic, or leveling alts. Wow is a 8 year old game. Gotta play what matters.
10-23-2012, 06:32 PM
heyaz

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Originally Posted by remanz

that's true. I agree. rough season for sure. Main thing is that I am looking for a reason to be excited and to get me to play the game again. No disrespect for others who do, but I can't justify my $75 to just login and do daily quests, run random heroic, or leveling alts. Wow is a 8 year old game. Gotta play what matters.

I agree. It's not even justification of cost for me, it's time and pain, leveling a bunch of alt teams hoping for a quick fix to a rough pvp season. Leveling makes me nauseous.
10-23-2012, 08:15 PM
valkry

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Originally Posted by remanz

huh ? how can you kite me if i one shot you. plus warrior has avatar , which is a freedom for 20 seconds. If I cannot kill my target in 20 seconds, I lose anyway. Both hunter and mage are getting nerfed coming 5.1. Obviously all assumptions went away if dragon roar cannot hit for 90k + on my target due to shielding/damage reduction/heals/immunity.

Level 90 warriors now have group shield reflect for 5 seconds per warrior and an AOE root like elemental shamans. Its probably the best chance vs mage as ever been for warriors.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought the other team had more than 1 member
10-23-2012, 08:42 PM
Multibocks

Oooh burn!

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