Mosg's DK Manifesto Version 2.0

There's nothing in the Terms of Service or EULA that says you cannot withold sending an action.
It is up to you on whether or not you want to use it.
This is true for a lot of the stuff that is extremely common on this site and the other boxing site too.



All of the GM Quotes, over all the years, have basically said: if everything that happens is a direct result of a key or mouse event, then you're ok.
If you can push something now, and have something happen later on that is not a result of something being pushed when the action occurs then that is botting.

Going by everything they have ever said to us, pushing a key and having it set to have nothing occur on that push, does not violate anything.

As always, use what you are comfortable with.



As an aside, there hasn't been a single GM quote anywhere that says it is ok to mouse broadcast.
So while we are likely ok with that, as a lot of people have been using it for some time now, use mouse broadcasting at your own risk.

Ditto for key remapping.
If you push a key, and it sends a different key to each window, that has never been okay'd.
It is ok to push "F" and have "F" go to every window, but there's no word on pushing "F" and sending "F", "Alt + F", and "J" to three windows.
So the entire two-step mapped keys, which people are running with both IS Boxer and HKN are not okay'd by any of the GM's.
Use them at your own risk.

Ditto for the entire FTL Assist Method.
You push the key, "F" for example.
Depending on the window you're in, it sends F+Alt, F+Ctrl, F+Shift, F+Alt+Ctrl etc.
However, you are not pushing Alt/Ctrl/Shift etc, you're only pushing "F".
So, while this has been around for years, it has never been okay'd.

Also the entire priority sequences for the Manifesto.
They have us push six buttons at once, all as the result of a single key push or release.
Blizzard specifically took Castrandom out of the game.
Yet our pseudo priority system essentially randomly clicks one of six things that is spammed.

Similarly Blizzard took Click Castsequences out, which has us mindlessly spam a single key.
And have a fairly intelligent DPS system result from that mindless spam.
They did not want mindless spam to result in an intelligent DPS result.
Yet that is exactly what we have, from mindless spam.
You can get that from IS Boxer and HKN.



Compared to getting around both Castrandom and the whole Click Castsequence Priority system for DPS, pressing a key and having it not send something to a window for a few seconds seems rather minor...

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Originally Posted by TeamGrizzly

But is this addition of a mechanism to delay advancing for 4 secs legitimate? I am not using ISboxer but I guess could do something similiar using logitech macros with some delays incorporated but just wanna make sure this is not against the TOS.

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Ignoring any number of key presses for four seconds is not the same as pressing something now, and without any further input having something occur in four seconds.

If you were to use Profiler software for a Logitech Keyboard, to take advantage of delays, that most definitely is botting and will result in a ban eventually.

List of interesting things you can or can't copy:

Feel free to add any spells I missed you feel should be added. All purge, dispel and cleanse etc spells can be copied and are not listed.

The following applies to Dark Simulacrum:

-To copy a spell it REQUIRES mana to be spent.
-Physical abilities (even though they cost mana) cannot be copied (like Crusader Strike).
-You cannot copy pet summons (you can, however, copy pet abilities, same rules apply).
-Target's spell power will be copied (unsure now)
-Target's talents will NOT be copied
-Target's glyphs will NOT be copied
-Spell will be INSTANT cast, no matter what spell it is.
-Channeled spells will have to be channeled, making them poor choices for Dark Sim (although it's quite fun to copy Mind Control or Seduce for instance).
-The copied spell CAN be grounded, Dark Sim itself CANNOT.
-Dark Sim is applicable through immunities.
-Healing and Damage spells are generally very poor choices for Dark Sim, and are mostly not listed below.
-Upon using a copied spell, the cooldown on that spell will ALSO be copied (obviously only matters for spells with cooldown above 1 min.
-You can Dark Sim a Dark Simmed spell (for instance: a dk copied my druid's cyclone, druid called it out, and I copied the dk's cyclone).

:druid:
Things that work:
-Cyclone
-Entangling Roots
-Solar Beam
-Star Fall
-Typhoon
-Starsurge
Things that won't work:
-Shapeshifts
-Spells and attacks requiring shapeshifts.
-Barkskin
-Nature's Grasp
-Wild Mushroom
Things that are more or less useless:
-Swiftmend (can only be used if you have druid hots on yourself, and it will remove the hot)
-Faerie Fire

:mage:
Things that work:
-Polymorph
-Mirror Images (not really gamebreaking, but still fun)
-Dragon's Breath
-Pyroblast
-Living Bomb
-Counterspell
-Time Warp
-Ring of Frost
-Ice Block
-Blink
-Frost Nova
-Cone of Cold
-Mana Shield
-Ice Barrier
-Invisibility
-Deep freeze (you can copy this, but target will still need to be frozen, a hunter's freezing trap OR hungering cold both counts as frozen btw, so you can use that)
Things that won't work:
Things that are more or less useless:
-Icy Veins
-Slow Fall
-Deep Freeze (if you are not frost and don't have mage/hunter on team)
-Armors, Ice/Mage/Molten (unlikely this will ever be rebuffed in arena though, and they only last 1 min)

:paladin:
Things that work:
-Seals (yes you can copy this, only lasts 1 min, however)
-Hammer of Justice
-Divine Shield
-Divine Protection
-Hand of Protection
-Hand of Freedom (obviously debatable how "gamebreaking" that is)
-Avenging Wrath (aka wings)
-Holy Wrath
Things that won't work:
-Avenger's Shield (counts as a physical ability)
-Beacon of Light.
-Hammer of Wrath
-Any spell costing Holy Power (remember: requires mana to be spent)
Things that are more or less useless:
-Consecration

:priest:
Things that work:
-Pain Suppression
-Power Word: Barrier
-Power Word: Shield
-Divine Hymn
-Mass Dispel
-Fear Ward
-Psychic Scream
-Psychic Horror
-Mana Burn
-Silence
-Mind Control
-Leap of Faith (aka Life Grip)
-Guardian Spirit (unlikely you'll copy this in a proper pvp situation unless they make holy viable though)
Things that won't work:
Things that are more or less useless:
-Levitate
-Inner Fire/Inner Will (also only lasts 1 min)

:shaman:
Things that work:
-Heroism/Bloodlust
-Hex
-Earthshield
Things that won't work:
-Thunderstorm
-Ghost Wolf
-Feral Spirits
-Totems
Things that are more or less useless:
-Spiritwalker's Grace

:warlock:
Things that work:
-Fear
-Death Coil
-Shadowfury
-Howl of Terror
-Chaos Bolt
-Infernal :cool:
-Unstable Affliction
-Succubus' Seduction
-Felhunter's Spell Lock
-Haunt (will increase the damage of your own dots)
Things that won't work:
-Drain Mana
Things that are more or less useless:
-Shadow Ward
-Drain Life
-Demon Soul
-Demonic Empowerment
-Hellfire
-Hand of Guldan (good spell in itself, but we don't copy talents, so it's crap for us)
-Armors, Fel etc (unlikely this will ever be rebuffed in arena though, and they only last 1 min)
-Soul Link (doesn't work on ghoul)
-Spells that requires Metamorphosis cannot be cast and just wastes Dark Sim.
-Demonic Portal (requires the circle, QQ)

Thanks to http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/17...mulacrum-list/

It might be a good idea to macro one Frost Strike, and put /cancelaura Ice Block in it. In case you steal it, and have to click it off.

Mosg, any chance you can link me the video where you explain your dps rotation key? I never seen it and i have a hard time finding it :P

Is it worth it to buy Arena weapons when you already have 346 pve weapons? I mean as your first purchase?

What do you mean by "choice" for dark sim. If you cast it on your opponent, you dont get to choose what they cast next.

I mean: These spells are useful and not useful if you copy these spells. And you have a list of spells that can BE copied.

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Originally Posted by TeamGrizzly

But is this addition of a mechanism to delay advancing for 4 secs legitimate?

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It's the same as tapping a key for 4 seconds, toggling the key's action, then tapping it for 4 seconds.. etc..

I can't see anything immediately wrong with this...

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Originally Posted by remanz

Hybrids right now are blowing most of the pure dps out of the water post 4.0.6, except hunter.

Shadow Priest, Balance Druid, Elemental shaman, Retribution Paladin, Fury Warrior, all above mage warlock on single target dummy dps.

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That is not really correct, both parts of your statements actually.

i have my prove

http://stateofdps.com/

look at overall dps + BH boss.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/rankings/...aloth/10N/dps/

where is yours.

Fury just got a nerf. But Shadow Priest and Balance Druid are dominating.

I look through the updates. Looks like shadow priest got a nerf 10% flat. and Moonkin by 5% just now. So those two are backdown to earth. If that's what you are referring to, then yes, my statement would not apply now. The statement was made post 4.0.6 before those nerfs.