Ok well humm, looking hard. Well at least though if you can get epic drops every 100 or so trash killz Ill be able to get some decent loot.
As to graphics:
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/338/coaei8.th.jpg
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Ok well humm, looking hard. Well at least though if you can get epic drops every 100 or so trash killz Ill be able to get some decent loot.
As to graphics:
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/338/coaei8.th.jpg
Don't bother trying to convince Sam of anything. If this thread is a testimony of anything it is that he thinks the end game for WoW will be a cake-walk for a 20+ boxer and so much easier then EQ. Let him level his 26/27 characters with his stubborn misconception of what he'll be able to do with end game bosses and then he will understand that while leveling in EQ is harder then in WoW the end game raiding in WoW is far more challenging.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'TheBigBB',index.php?page=Thread&postID=115302#pos t115302
Experience is the best teacher. Let him learn his lesson.
Everquest's graphics were good for its time, and they did a decent job updating them as they went along, but I would not call them "real." Real jerky, maybe.
For me, as long as the look is consistent and the animations are well designed, I have no problem with it. EQ's animations weren't all that great but like many players I played it in first-person mode and it didn't seem so bad. Plus, this was years ago and true 3D in an online game was a rarity and the feeling was that they did a good job with what they had. WoW's animations are much smoother and the overall design is consistent. The more realistic you get, the harder it is to make the animation convincing, because real life is a lot more complex than the cartoony look of WoW. Invariably, you get characters that move stiffly or awkwardly, and it ruins the immersion.
One day they'll have it right, but for now I think WoW's approach works better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valleyQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=115274#po st115274
It's a common phenomena, and one of the reasons I like WoW graphics over other games like Conan.
As for BC bosses to multibox, Mag's could be very doable if you are precise and plan well. Now that the channeling debuff is gone, you could just have slaves walk backwards toward the walls to avoid the knockback and as long as there is one near enough to a cube you could interrupt each blast wave. Conflags would be the biggest problem, but if you kept 5 or 6 tight groups, you might be able to get them out of the conflags in time. With no melee, you should be able to tank Mags where everyone was in range of him at the cubes. Still would be very hit or miss, especially since you have to set up with all the channelers and the infernals at the beginning. I'd love to watch the fraps, but I'm not sure I'd wanna try it.
- Souca -
Guys,
its all good , have fun , have goals , play to win.
In most cases their is nothing new under the sun. But that's the real world. This world is not real (part of its appeal)
With RAF someone should try 10 or 25 Paladins they have unlimted aoe
5 dins would do about 500 dps on each traget in range
fear would be a problem but theirs always the bubble.
I would try to use free lvls on a din to power lvl more toons as needed
Prepared has option to power lvl each grp since he is only using grps of 4 now.
:)
Remember what you were like when you were 14 years old? When beating your friend at Super Mario Brothers was all that mattered, everything you knew about girls came from ... unreliable ... sources, and there was no filter between brain/mouth? Well, thats Sam. For the one extreme of the workaholic who works up until the second he dies, we have the other extreme of the Peter Pan videogamer who never grew up. Its charming in a weird kind of way. While I love having a wonderful wife and kids and a job I enjoy, sometimes it would be nice sitting at home playing video games all day, going to concerts at night, and spending your waking moments worrying about the strangest things like how much maximum DPS I can put out solo. Not sure about the hooker banging though 8o 8o 8o
WOTLK raiding is a step up from TBC, its going to be difficult to multibox solo. The best thing really is a group of multiboxers getting together, I'm sure there will be ways such that 4 of class X + 4 of class Y + 2 tanks will be able to brute force Naxx and other places. Blizzard also tends to release instances initially very difficult, and then slowly tune it to be easier while simultaneously making it easier to get newer gear that will make older stuff easier.
You're not top boxer until you 25 box Kael and Vashj, imo.
Less talk.. more pew pew..
I'd love to see some cool vids from the MMBs (massive multiboxers :D
); Prepared is in his 30s I think .. but Sam you gotta get out of the
starting valley dude.. get to 20 at least come on man.. all that
hardware/toons and nothing is happening.
I just wrote a program that will open wow, enter the account name, enter the password, get to the character screen, close open windows cept wow, log in the other 4 on the same computer in the same way and then close itself lol ...
So now I can press a single key and have all 26 at the character screen with the program that got them there closed before I start to play!
Ya I might be behind now but I am getting PREPARED.
Well Prepared might also be Prepared but Prepared isn't as Prepared as I'm Prepared cause I'm really Prepared in general and I'm even getting Prepared for Prepared.
grats, almost level 1
ROFLQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=115622#post1156 22
Nice. I just use Octopus to do that for me. I enter the password once from my main computer but all of the WoW screens come up from Octopus for me. Thanks to the great write up by Ughmahedhurtz, I can use the maximizer in Octopus now.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=115610#p ost115610
This is starting to turn epic. 9000+ page views.... it is almost like a cold war. Russians vs the US. This has promise, even if Sam is slow to get out of the gate.
Guys - whether you agree or disagree with what Sam is doing, please keep the dicussions civil. Trading of personal insults won't be tolerated.
Don't be like this guy!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1.../Banhammer.jpg
Cheers,
Stealthymod
Regarding boxing different raidbosses in wow, I must agree that quite a few of them simply are not feasible to box, simply because you have to (quoting my old GM) "GET OUT OF THE FECKING FIRE" - where fire can be fire, stonespikes, blizzard, green, yellow, red, blue fire, waterspouts, meteors, poison, volcanoes, termites, ticking timebombs, aoe, pbaoe, falling debris, godzilla tailswipes or otherwise.
Examples: Baron Geddon in Molten Core - fire elemental, does Hellfire type AoE around himself that ticks for a few thousand firedmg, and randomly targets a raidmember (this can be the tank aswell) and debuffs them with a living bomb, meaning they explode and deal loads of damage to themselves and those around them - you do not die from this, but you are propelled into the air, and the added falldamage will often kill you. 2 bombs in a row on top of your raid, will most likely wipe you - 25 chainheals might be enough to save it though, so perhaps the fight can simply be healed through. Then again, Molten Core is by far the easiest lvl 60 raidinstance (excluding Zul'gurub, as that actually contains more technical fights than MC).
Naxxramas has been brought up - ok, go read up on the 4 horsemen fight. There is NO way in the world you will box that fight. It's simply not possible. 4 different stacking debuffs from the bosses, that each cover 25% of the room - provided you have seperated the 4 bosses into each corner of the room. Now, the bosses themselves also has a bunch of different abilities, none too hard to deal with really. the mechanic just means, that you will have to switch tanks, healers and dps, in a circular pattern, without leaving either of the bosses untanked at any time (because of even one of them moves to the middle of the room, you're d-e-a-d). This fight is easier as lvl 70, I've done it with 21 people in raid - BUT that is only because each and every person there had above 10k health - myself as a hunter sitting @ 13k raidbuffed. This allowed for some "elbowroom" for small mistakes.
Twin Emperors in AQ40: must be tanked apart, if 1 of them dies, so does the other. One is immune to spelldmg, the other immune to physical. If they are not kept separated across the room, they heal eachother for more dps than you can muster. This again means 4 tanks - 2 physical, 2 spelldmg. Also, adds are joining the fight 2-3 at a time.
Heigan in Naxxramas: phase 1 = nuke from podium, while tank moves him back and forth between poison splashes, commonly known as "dancing". phase 2 then teleports heigan to the podium, and the raid has to run onto the floor, doing the "dance" between poison splashes. The fight switches between those 2 phases, throughout the fight. Also, as a little "twist" - in phase 1 he randomly teleports 3 people into a hallway outside the room, where those 3 then have to run a sort of gauntlet, past mindflaying worms and maggots. And then rejoin the fight between splashes.
TBC instances contain loads of fights, where the raid has to split up and do separate tasks. A real challenge(read: impossible) would be Mount Hyjal and Archimonde. Watch a video of the fight, and you will be convinced.
Actually, watching videos after reading a quick tactic on bosskillers or wowwiki can be a very good way to see which fights are simply not doable.
On the other hand, a rogue has tanked Illidan, so with the right gear and spec, people's inginuity continues to surprise.
Offtopic but:
Some bosses are even soloable, warrior tanks / tankadins can solo garr - some people in my guild do it.Quote:
Even then, that place has been 3 man'd.
be very, very careful of what you are doing with programs launching WoW. I believe you use WinEQ2, Blizzard has banned people for launchign WoW under that before (some bans were reversed, some were not). Doing stuff like auto entering passwords or auto reconnecting could be potential grounds for getting your account banned. Also while inside the game, the basic rule is that every action requires the user to type in a key/mouseclick, and you cannot "chain" actions unless its inside a wow macro (using /stopcasting, and even then that only works for specific spells and only 2 chain). Many AHK users write scripts that try to go around this, and they are just asking for trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=115610#p ost115610
I know you are going to argue and say what you are doing is not botting, automation, etc, etc. it does not matter what you or I think, all that matters is what Blizzard thinks. They are much, much harsher than SOE (EQ) in terms of bans and getting account bans reversed is very difficult. WinEQ2 imo is not a great platform to run WoW under, because it so closely shares the codebase with Innerspace and Blizzard has heavily targeted Innerspace this year for banning (multiple banwaves). The way warden works is if it detects something it doesn't like, your account is auto banned without a single human review, and then getting your account unbanned can take weeks and many emails/faxes.
Anything more than 10 is setting yourself up for disappointment.
I could easily expand my 10 into 25 (or 40), and I've considered it on many occasions, but there are no realistic goals to be accomplished in World of Warcraft for anything beyond 10 characters.
I mean if your goal is to raid cities/towns of the enemy faction, sure you can do it, but Wow wasn't designed with that as an endgame style of play to be rewarding on a longterm basis. So you get your kicks for a few days, but the fun will quickly fade. Ask Fur how often he goes to Gadget to raise hell. I read a post of his awhile back that was rather amusing, and it sounded like he had fun, but I doubt he did it more than once or twice (i believe it was in the hunter post). When you extrapolate that 5 man raid of a small town to 25+ of a player city.. it's pretty much the same and there are no tangible rewards to be had.
As many people have posted before in this thread, most raid boss encounters are incredibly complex and they are simply not doable as a single individual. I can't do Netherspite in Karazhan for this reason, and he's easy compared to some of the other mechanics that are employed to make other raid bosses difficult and exciting to fight. I 3 boxed Netherspite before, but never got him down 10-boxing the encounter solo.
It's just a guess, but I highly doubt any of the 10 mans in WotLK will be any easier than Karazhan or Zul'Aman.
Oh, and I proclaim myself as the best PVE boxer, because I've actually 10 boxed my way through a raid dungeon. :thumbup:
Keep us updated and let us know when you guys catch up.
Well said. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Nixi',index.php?page=Thread&postID=116000#post116 000
Man, I joined the RAF 2 weeks after it came out. Then I took a "casual" 2 weeks to level 4 toons.
Level 45 Shaman + 45 Warlock = 12 hours.
Level 61 Shaman + 60 Mage = 26 hours.
I kinda stopped for a bit after getting the Shaman to 61.
Oh the pain in operating a keyboard and mouse. It's too unbearable for me as you've stated Sam. You're stronger, faster and more powerful than me with your 26 characters. Oh wait, you've not started playing WoW yet! That could explain your statements up to now about the WoW raid encounters too.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114327#p ost114327
Compare apples to apples and the statement would be:Quote:
If the Giants claimed to be a better football team then the Patriats because they won the superbowl would they be "uncivil". Prepared says Octopus is better then Keyclone is he being "uncivil" to Keyclone?
If the Giants had all players on the sidelines because they were injured and lost because they couldn't operate as well as a team such as the Patriots that had all of their players operating effectively, that would be a better comparison to the two software products you've mentioned.
ugh.. getting 26 toons banned before even starting.. now THAT would suck! not sure if I should laugh or cry here.. ?(Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=116053#po st116053
WinEQ is not bannable.
ALL were reversed ... And again is does LESS then keyclone.Quote:
believe you use WinEQ2, Blizzard has banned people for launchign WoW under that before (some bans were reversed, some were not).
Thats why I shut the program off before I log in. It dosnt run after I get to the character screen ... I closes before I enter the game.
Since when is this a "WoW only multiboxing forum", all you guys claiming I'm just starting wow are right, but who here has 280 days played on their wow characters like I have on my Main EQ toons? No one here is even close to the time I have put in on EQ, why do you think I cannot do the same here? You don't think that a guy who has proven he can do 280 plus days (thats one one guy let alone 24) in EQ can't pass your 30 40 or 50 days in wow ...
Sorry, not sure who you are responding/directing this to.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=116262#p ost116262
Have you created all your toons?
Note that your paly will probably have to run all the way from his starting place to the tauren starting lands.
Actually scrap that, if you RAFd it you'll be able to summon it there directly.
also note that you'll get 'class' quests, usually every 10 levels or so (4 totem quests for shamies, others for palies (mounts+) then quests at 50 as well) and you might have to do them separately because they are class specific.
Prepared/Sam, do you guys have an ETA on when you might reach 40 / 60 / 70 ?
It's be interesting to see how the progress goes.
You guys plan on staying at 60 until the 3.0 patch hits for quicker xp 60-70?, maybe do tradeskills or pvp in the meantime or something?
Not that there's really a point, i guess levelling to 70 asap is probably the best.
I really wonder it it wouldn't be quicker to level raf-level the accounts 5 by 5 instead of 25+ byt 25.
How much downtime you got for leveling so many together? there must be alot of 'administrative' downtime (macros, people stuck, break /follow etc)
I don't know whats wrong with this thread.. Sam's arrogance and Prepared's progression makes it like watching a 2 headed baby.. it's difficult/painful to look at it, but somehow you can't keep your eyes out of it.
Side-Note - I have 2 chars with ~300 days /played from BEFORE I started multiboxing.. I find it pretty odd that you write stuff like that 0oQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=116262#p ost116262
Don't worry about it, it's just his way of making sentences (arrogant 'Better than thou" e-peen thing).Quote:
Originally Posted by 'iztehzha',index.php?page=Thread&postID=116279#pos t116279
Next i believe he'll say you probably haven't done it alone, and you should show screenshots and you're probably not telling the truth anyway.
As i said, don't worry about it. check http://samdeathwalker.com and you'll understand right away.
All i see on the site is a hippy stuck in the 60's
Kinda suits his retarded comments...
mmm played time e-peen.
A friend of mine uses his G15 to make him continuously jump removing AFK status.
Effectively nullifies any "lulz I have <insert giant number here> hours played on my char!"
My first character took almost 5 months to hit 60 when I first played, it has around 40 days played.
My rogue had about 6 days played when it hit 70, and about 12 days played when it was in full epics?
I could leave my PC on 24/7/365 jumping so that I had a ridiculous played time, but it wouldnt account to anything
I'm going to reach level 40 next week. For level 60, it will be probably sometime in October. That largely depends on the number of PvPers I run into while leveling up. It's quite interesting to see how players attack me and find they can't kill me so they get on their main level 70 on the same realm and do it with their buddies. One 70 rogue now has a difficult time killing a few of my shamans. He has to vanish and come back or he dies. I'm still only level 34. I have 8 groups of 4 in each group. So the quests I do are done 8 times. I'm skipping all collecting quests unless it's a single drop where the drop occurs for all members of the group. I'm averaging about a level a day when I play the shaman. For the today and yesterday, I was playing a new set of alts that I got to level 21. That's for the recruit-a-friend bonus levels those will be applied to. That's so that I can get at least 16 level 50's. If time permits, I will level those to 30 and ding them to 60 from the Shaman. Those are all priests and mages, except for 2 that are a paladin and a druid (for buffs).Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=116273#post1162 73
I'm planning to use up my double experience when I get to 60. I want to make level 70 as soon as possible on the PvP realm that I play on. The main reason is so that I can defend against the 70 attackers that like to cause me grief. Once I get to level 70, it's all BG's and PvP gear work until the expansion is released. I'm anticipating the expansion will be released in December. Probably around the 4th or 5th. That's just my guess on it as there has been no mention of any release date on it yet but beta testing is still going on now.
It would probably be easier in one way to level 5 at time instead of all 32 for me, however, on a PvP realm, if a 70 sees a multiboxer, he gives them no slack, at least that's what I've seen.
Time played means jack, all it represents is when you started playing the game and how much free time you have had to play the game. My main and only level 70 is a mage, i started playing a couple years ago and it took me around 2 months to get to 60. I was very casual back then, i quit the game untill 4 months after TBC came out - bought the game, leveled to 70 - my /played is 186 days and my /played @ level 70 is 137 days. Just represents how much free time i have had to play being a 17 year old college student ;).Quote:
Since when is this a "WoW only multiboxing forum", all you guys claiming I'm just starting wow are right, but who here has 280 days played on their wow characters like I have on my Main EQ toons? No one here is even close to the time I have put in on EQ, why do you think I cannot do the same here? You don't think that a guy who has proven he can do 280 plus days (thats one one guy let alone 24) in EQ can't pass your 30 40 or 50 days in wow ...
I lost any interest in what these two chimps are trying to do on about page 3. Having come back and read the last page/threads, i think i made a good choice xD
Except for not having 5 man groups seems Prepared has a solid plan indeed. Wise to level up some extra classes I thinks.
280 days is on my non bazzar toon ... I know lots have more time then me I am just commenting on everyone claiming that I am slow to get started. Getting all the "administrative" stuff out of the way at the start so that when I do exp I won't be goofing around re writing macros and what not. Oh ya I was dreading the run for the Pal to the shaman but ya RAF summoning lol ... woot!
The thing is, there is so much you dont know that you'll need to redo your macro heaps of times, like everybody else.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=116385#p ost116385
To me it seems you're basically trying to learn how to drive by reading the car manual, when really you should get in the car and give it a go.
Thanks for the recommendation. In modifying my screen configuration, I moved the screen that I had to the far right to the front as shown in this new picture of my set up:Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114327#p ost114327
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/3...p002mq8.th.jpg
So now I have 26 characters to my front and 6 to my left. Thanks Sam, you have helped me out!
Wow, 15 pages. This was an interesting read. Nice Setup Prepared! Though I dont exactly get why you box 32 :-)
There we go, two giant nerds helping each other out. After walking through 15 pages of this cesspool I am now feeling better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prepared',index.php?page=Thread&postID=116938#post 116938]
[quote='Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114327#p ost114327]
I use ONE keyboard, and ONE mouse. I never have to move my body at all, just my arms at the most to get FULL 100 percent control of any of my 26 guys in under 8 seconds.[/quote]
Thanks for the recommendation. In modifying my screen configuration, I moved the screen that I had to the far right to the front as shown in this new picture of my set up:
[url='http://img154.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mycomputersetup002mq8.jpg
sam, you may not know it, but the persistant attitudes of wow within eq is a problem you have. you think just beacause it take a LITTLE BIT longer to level, death penalty, and AA make EQ "harder".
if you somehow bevieve that the grind is what makes a game harder then i guess your right. personally i think that shits for retards. to each his own.
"in-combat" is the key word here. the mechanics and coordination required in wow to tackle a lvl 30 GROUP dungeon are about on par with a PoR RAID. in-combat, wow is significantly harder than eq on many levels. this is specifically why so many told you to atleast level 1 toon to 70 first.
I got something very important to state here:
I like cake!
My contribution to this very important thread.
-Jungle love
I think you're pretending to like cake, or maybe you do no like cake alone, as you've not showed any screenshots or details or your cake liking.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Menthu',index.php?page=Thread&postID=117446#post1 17446
On the other hand, *I* LOVE cake, and call myself the top-cake lover of wow, worldwide.
I've been cited in many forums as the top cake lover, and have been loving cake since times forgotten. I even have a cake recipe signed by Gary Gigax.
This i believe makes me by far the top-cake lover.
whats your /cakeseaten at?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=117468#post1174 68
:P sorry all couldn't resist