Clickboxer - new key broadcasting software

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Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=135896#post 135896

That's why (at least in my post) I made it clear that it's my PERSONAL OPINION. I, PERSONALLY, would never use any product that would allow me to unwittingly stumble my way into the area of botting.

As a hardware boxer, I've pretty much taken it to the extreme. ;) There is no way I can program a delay into my setup. There is no way that I could automatically make actions with my setup.

If there's a way to accidentally trip over myself and end up with a bannable action using AHK, InnerSpace, whatever... I, personally, want no part in it. Many people use AHK, G15s, and the like without issue -- I just don't prefer not to.

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Right, and we all see how well the personal opinions of normally highly respected people in the community can cause things to shift one way or another. i.e. random famous person says they're voting for canidate X in the election. And you seriously don't think that that influnces other people? If you didn't intend for others to be swayed by your opinions, why did you bother to post them?

As for Lax's software, I DO support it. I also support Keyclone. I encourage people to try different products and see what they like best. If anyone here is in doubt as to the validity of a particular product, ask on the Blizzard forums, I'm sure sooner or later a Blue will respond. If that Blue's answer isn't good enough for you, email their support, tell them you think product X is ok to use and want them to look if it violates anything. As stated many times on the forums, 1 press, 1 action = ok.

And a GM on the forums is not what I would call Blizzard endorsing a product. True, they may work for Blizzard, but it's not the same as a press release stating 'company Q fully backs and supports product Y' they simply say it's 'OK to use at the moment.'

WinEQ2 is a Lax Product (which you PAY for) and is 100percent LEGAL in EQ.

From what I see in this thread IS, by itself, appears to be also legal.

1. It is not hidden from Warden

2. No one who has used it has been banned.

Again I just repeat that it sounds to me the argument made against it would be the exact same argument that because you CAN use the G15 programing software as a platform to violate the TOS then you should not buy any product from Logitech, an argument which I find sophistical to say the least.

Also another point about all this banning business. Its not up to us to take a wild guess at what blizzard considers legal or not. In any state of the United States you can't provide a product to the general population and refuse to provide that product to spicific individuals. Of course those who violate the TOS can be banned, but in court the burden of proof would be on Blizzard to establish that they in fact banned the person for ligit reason and not because of ILLEGAL discrimination.

Blizzard has legal counsel and obviously the best way for Blizzard to protect themselves from litigation would be to simply announce what programs are bannable and what are not.

Instead of all this wild guess talk in this thread just simply post on WoW forum and ask if IS is legal or not. They have stated that Keyclone is legal, I see no reason they would not also take a position on IS.

Blizzard obviously dosnt prevent others from makeing money from WoW as many addon sites charge money as do informational sites like allka. This is all to their advantage to have others working to make things for their game.

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=136153#p ost136153

Also another point about all this banning business. Its not up to us to take a wild guess at what blizzard considers legal or not. In any state of the United States you can't provide a product to the general population and refuse to provide that product to spicific individuals. Of course those who violate the TOS can be banned, but in court the burden of proof would be on Blizzard to establish that they in fact banned the person for ligit reason and not because of ILLEGAL discrimination. .

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This is completly untrue.

Learn to read your legal agreements:

Section 7:

Blizzard’s Absolute Right to Suspend, Terminate and/or Delete the Account.


BLIZZARD MAY SUSPEND, TERMINATE, MODIFY, OR DELETE THE ACCOUNT AT ANY TIME WITH ANY REASON OR NO REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE. For purposes of explanation and not limitation, most account suspensions, terminations and/or deletions are the result of violations of this Terms of Use or the EULA

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=136153#p ost136153

Instead of all this wild guess talk in this thread just simply post on WoW forum and ask if IS is legal or not. They have stated that Keyclone is legal, I see no reason they would not also take a position on IS.

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Still waiting on this, however IMO this will never happen.

Thats called a "contract of adhesion" in legal terms.

Its not infoceable in a court of law.

http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=2325

Notice that Blizzard is sueing Glider for COPYRIGHT violations not violations of the TOS or EULA lol ....

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=136165#p ost136165

Thats called a "contract of adhesion" in legal terms.

Its not infoceable in a court of law.

http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected=2325

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LOL, says YOU? This contract has been enforced with this clause for how long?
Hahah. Great legal advice Sam, You just told us that the ToS are void... LOL...

This "contract" has NEVER been enforced ONE TIME in a Court of Law. Cite me a copy to the decision if it has. The EULA will not be enforced by a Court in my opinion, the fact is no one is going to pay $30,000 to an attorney to fight for a $77 ban.

Correct me if I am wrong but the Glider case is NOT about TOS becuase Blizzard knows its complete garbage. Although their case from a copyright standpoint is a lot stronger.

You don't think taht because a resturant posts a sign "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" that the Court will enforce that "contract" if they refuse to serve blacks?

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Originally Posted by 'Suvega',index.php?page=Thread&postID=136163#post1 36163

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=136153#p ost136153

Instead of all this wild guess talk in this thread just simply post on WoW forum and ask if IS is legal or not. They have stated that Keyclone is legal, I see no reason they would not also take a position on IS.

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Still waiting on this, however IMO this will never happen.

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I started a thread on the US WoW boards and asked this very question several months ago in the UI and Macros forum. I never got a blue answer. I did get a green answer who suggested that Blizzard will never declare any software safe or unsafe and that they ban based on in game conduct.

Ok, we know that is bullshit. Blizzard banned several of us a few years ago for vanilla InnerSpace, just to reverse the bans and give us free time. Some of us have never trusted Blizzard since.

-j

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=136168#p ost136168

This "contract" has NEVER been enforced ONE TIME in a Court of Law. Cite me a copy to the decision if it has. The EULA will not be enforced by a Court in my opinion, the fact is no one is going to pay $30,000 to an attorney to fight for a $77 ban.

Correct me if I am wrong but the Glider case is NOT about TOS becuase Blizzard knows its complete garbage. Although their case from a copyright standpoint is a lot stronger.

You don't think taht because a resturant posts a sign "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" that the Court will enforce that "contract" if they refuse to serve blacks?

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LOL I love the analogy, because Blizzard is discriminating against whom? People who use a certain peice of software that they find to be shady?
Stop talking out of your ass Sam, you just make yourself look worse then you already do (which is a pretty hard feat imo)