Thinking of 25 boxing WoW - Not sure about a lot of things

It depends on the server. There are some servers where being "famous" will draw large groups out to cause as much grief as they can. However, there's a difference between wanting to grief the local 3-boxer and wanting to grief the local 25-boxer. A lot of players who would otherwise join in may decide not to bother because they're not interested in being repeatedly flattened while they wait for enough reinforcements to arrive.

Just gotta try it and see.

And I agree that a paladin may prove to be the better tank, they seem to be able to keep aggro on multiple mobs with less effort. Warriors have a number of abilities that they need to use repeatedly in order to keep a mob on them. For a paladin you just cycle through one or two and you should be okay. Plus you can bubble the character that takes aggro from you and you have another one-button-taunt ability as well.

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=94030#po st94030

Protection specced Warriors with appropriate gear are the best Boss Encounter tanks in the game. They have the best damage mitigation vs. single targets, and the largest and most versatile array of tools for tanking, which includes threat generating tools such as Revenge, Shield Slam and multiple taunts, many mitigation abilities, and finally a few panic buttons like Shield Wall and Last Stand. The only problem area for warrior tanks is aggro generation, particularly their initial aggro generation is lower. In long fights, all three main tank types actually create comparable amounts of aggro. Finally, Warriors depend more on their gear than any other class (this can also be a boon, because a warrior can increase his abilities further than the other classes with better gear).


http://www.wowwiki.com/Tank

Let me read more about the DK. Im not so sure about agro Ill be killing things kinda fasts anyways. For pvp warrior has the best damage mitigation also I assume.

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Read again, "Finally, Warriors depend more on their gear than any other class" -- this is the most overused bs I often read about class, being more/most gear dependent.

Every tanking class have certain talent trees that improves that particular role. Likewise, a Paladin Tank can also be gear dependent in order to be that role.

I think when it comes to Raid progressions, it is "easier" to gear the Warrior main tank to survive and tank said raid content. It "was" that way in the beginning of WoW because the raid concepts came from EQ. The Paladin tank class has evolved and although has a "little less" mitigation than a warrior, offers other utilities.

Last Stand from a warrior can now be obtained from gear such as the PvP trinket that mimics the Last Stand skill.

Shield Wall is a nice ability on demand, but the Paladin tank has a similar talent called Ardent Defender (it's passive, and scales as your paladin gained more health). Maybe you should check out the Talent Calculator for tanking classes.

Taunt and agro has little to do with PvP. Those "oh shit" abilities such as Last Stand and Shield wall are ok in PvP but if our warrior is focused fires, those skill my not be enough to buy you time to react. The paladin's "oh shit" abilties are much better in PvP: invulnerable bubble every 5 minutes (wtf is that invulnerable cleric spell again?), and Lay on Hand (complete heal + some mana) every hour (less with talents)

There's too much talking in this thread, not enough doing. You could theory craft for weeks, but its really a waste of time. Just go do it!

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There's too much talking in this thread, not enough doing. You could theory craft for weeks, but its really a waste of time. Just go do it!

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Do what? He rolls his 2nd idea of warrior priest 3x mages, only to find out he loses agro after the first volley of fireballs--and realized the merit of what a paladin tank can bring to the table: front loading of threat + salvation?

Ya really I am hot to get started but there are so many good ideas that I havnt settled on anything yet ... Let me read up on palidens again.

Is there any STRONG agrument against going 24 of the 33/0/38 or 34/0/37 Shamans besided they have to be still to cast heals?

OK here is a 0/54/17 build for a Prot Paliden

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

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This stops you creating a 5 man group - with a 20 man raid behind them (but not grouped with them), the 5 man group taps it, the 20 man raid also opens and you kill the mob with 25, distributing the XP from the mob kill to just 5. Or more simply, having a mate run around with their level 70 ripping up the boars after you tag them on your level 10. I'm fairly sure in this case, your XP gain (on the level 10) is based on the percentage damage done to the mob. If the level 70 was in the group, you would receive a percentage of the kill based on your level difference to your party members. The 70 would take most of the quota (and not actually get any XP due to the calculations done afterwards) and your 10 would gain an amount.

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If all 25 are at the same level the tagger group gets ALL the exp with no penalty.

My plan is to keep everyone at the same level, and not boost.

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Do what? He rolls his 2nd idea of warrior priest 3x mages, only to find out he loses agro after the first volley of fireballs--and realized the merit of what a paladin tank can bring to the table: front loading of threat + salvation?

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Remember Salvation is no more come Wrath. Pallies will still be nice because of the replacement which is a castable instant threat/damage reduction making pallies IMO still the best choice for a multiboxing tank, but there will be some things that are quite different come wrath.

Sam,

I recommend you at least single box to 70 first. Just to get a feel for the game and understand it. What if you find out you don't like it? That's a pretty big investment. On top of that the things you would learn on the way may help you define the "Perfect setup" in your eyes. Where as after allready putting in the grind you find out the hardway and have to do another group.

I'm just saying it doesn't hurt to test the waters first.

Also just wondering why wow? Your and EQ guy I figured you'd pop on up EQ2 some day :)

I kinda thinking everyone is right and going with 25 shamy (5 each computer) and if you go with shammy then Paliden (1 on 6th computer) is best tank (warrior might be better with mages).

Im only getting 6 month at a time subscriptions if I dont like it, its chump change to me. EQ I have to buy 2 years at a time.

And Keyclone looks ftw. Just hopeing autofollow dosnt break when lol I can put the Pal on the 6th computer by himself that way none autofollow will be on same computer. I can then 26 box. Wow with just one client on the 6th computer I can play in max everything full resolution and everything humm ... wow how nice ... and Ill have no lag control of the Pal. Then I can turn off all the effects on the 5 computers with 5 clients ...

Some of my guys in eq have 280 days played so Im not worried about this "16 hours a day" stuffs.

Not going to EQ2 cause WoW has 62 players for every 1 in EQ - a lot have heard of me from AoK (age of kings) and EQ, but how many have not heard of me ...

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Not going to EQ2 cause WoW has 62 players for every 1 in EQ - a lot have heard of me from AoK (age of kings) and EQ, but how many have not heard of me ...

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If that’s the reason, for the highest population to be an E-Celebrity I highly recommend going with the pink Loincloth. It will identify the quality and seriousness of your intentions.

Edit:Just one thing, with your previous E-fame I ask you not repeat some of the things you have done in the past here. I’d hate to see you ruin it for all of us, or at least paint that image for other multi-boxers. I’ll leave it at "you know what I’m talking about".

Rats I was going to go Dranie but they are allience bleh.

Looks like Troll Females for the Shaman and Blood Elf Male Paliden for tank ...

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Rats I was going to go Dranie but they are allience bleh.

Looks like Troll Females for the Shaman and Blood Elf Male Paliden for tank ...

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Look for Tehtsara's setup on pally + trolls.

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=94137#po st94137

Cant get elemental Oath with 34. Will have all 5 in Lightning Overload though.

I get improved chain heal 2, and Purification with 37, and 5 of tidel mastry, no natures blessing or blesisng of the eternals ... Maybe there is better ways:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...03530002000000

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1 important thing - you want to split you group into DPS and healers.

I would set up your DPS to assist your Pally - see if the target is hostile - if it is, set it as the kill target, then cast on the kill target.
Another button would then Heal your paladins target if its friendly (Chain heal or whatever it is) otherwise heal the paladin or themselves.

This way 5-8 of your guys would be set as healers, the rest as DPS. To have your Hybrid spec on all 25 of them won't be as effective IMO. If you decide to heal, they will all heal? Sounds like too much healing to me.

You may also want to have a button that has the "healers" attack with the DPS.

Ya I want to heal with eveyrone, maybe I should spec into elemental deep then, if you think there is to much healing. I plan to heal then attack then heal then attack all at the same time.

Here is a elemental spec 54/0/17

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...00000000000000

Big edge with the 54 elemental is that they will all have thunderstorm lol ... I can knock back tons of mellee heh.

with the kind od death and destruction you want to spread you would have been better off 24 boxing DAOC when it came out. i miss the 80 VS 80 VS 120 battles in Emain.

that would have been hella fun.



zak

Wow, if I get 25 Thunderstorms, and during moving everyone stops on top of each other or really close when I stop, with keyclone that sends keys sequentially to different clients each time you press a key I could be immune to mellee attacks by just pressing one key to knock back enemies 20 feet, by the time they get back I can knock them back again (well every 2 seconds) and by the time I get back to the first guy again the 45 second cool down will be over. Dang... thats worth going deep into elemental for with all of them. And with 25 casting non talented Chain Heals it should be "good enough", also the knock back will keep mobs off the Tank as well ... Dang ... wow. Look at that for pve. knockback, heal, knockback, chain lightning, knockback, heal, knockback, chain lightning. I could pull unlimited mobs ...

There is nowhere in the overworld where mobs will respawn fast enough for a 25 man army to chain pull anything. You will clear an area and then get xp at a pitiful rate as one mob respawns every minute or so. Instance leveling from 1-60 is the fastest, but without a 70 to boost you you cannot chain pull anything and the xp/hour slows down quickly if its just 5 even-level people pulling 3-4 mobs at a time in an instance.

The absolute fastest way to hit 70 would be to level 5 pallys, then use them to instance boost 20 other people in groups of 5. It's still going to take weeks - figure minimum 3 weeks each 5 man group, total of 15+ weeks. Trying to level all 25 simultaneously in the overworld will be insanely slow, at least 4x slower than instance boosting - you will spend a year trying to hit 70 that way. Much of the speed from instance boosting also comes from the 35-55 ST zolo trick, that will eventually get nerfed (before WOTLK, probably in the next few weeks) and that'll slow down leveling even more.

I agree with the idea of leveling one character up first. You get a much better feel for the game and for the differences between it and EQ. You can also see how PvP works from a single-character perspective, which will help you determine if world PvP will be to your liking or not. WoW is not a complicated game by any means, and it's not that hard to extrapolate figures once you've got some in-game experience.

The pally I would spec something more like:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...000000000#none

(please copy and paste all links to reduce the chance of keyloggers)

(Please dont be retarded. Learn how to spot a keylogger a mile off)

Dunno if anyone mentioned this but a couple of things that are going to mess you up.
1) You wont be able to do the 25 mans without a tank and in some cases specific classes, Your group is going to need much more variety, Multiple people that can decurse, Multiple people that can dispel, atleast 5 or 6 healers, 3 tanks (pref 4), and the rest be dps from there.
2) Leveling and gearing up for the 25 MANS will be very difficult to pull off
3) Priest cant tank


Good luck to you sir, but i think you are highly underestimating the challenge you are talking about here, learn the game first than develop a plan for this.


Edit: Read some more in this thread and I just want to emphasize what everyone else is saying about tank choice, Warrior is indeed the worst tank for multi-boxer because it requires a lot of attention to tank high level instances, especially 25 mans, It takes LOTS of button spamming that would take away from the 24 other characters you are trying to control

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The pally I would spec something more like:

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/...000000000#none

(please copy and paste all links to reduce the chance of keyloggers)

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(Please dont be retarded. Learn how to spot a keylogger a mile off)

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Look down and left, every browser I know of has it... when you mouse over a LINK it shows you the URL...

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Dunno if anyone mentioned this but a couple of things that are going to mess you up.
1) You wont be able to do the 25 mans without a tank and in some cases specific classes, Your group is going to need much more variety, Multiple people that can decurse, Multiple people that can dispel, atleast 5 or 6 healers, 3 tanks (pref 4), and the rest be dps from there.
2) Leveling and gearing up for the 25 MANS will be very difficult to pull off
3) Priest cant tank


Good luck to you sir, but i think you are highly underestimating the challenge you are talking about here, learn the game first than develop a plan for this.


Edit: Read some more in this thread and I just want to emphasize what everyone else is saying about tank choice, Warrior is indeed the worst tank for multi-boxer because it requires a lot of attention to tank high level instances, especially 25 mans, It takes LOTS of button spamming that would take away from the 24 other characters you are trying to control

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25 Elementat Shamans and ONE Blood Elf Protection Paladin as the tank/assist/lead. 26 total. The Paladin will have his own computer, the other 25 will be 5 clients on 5 computers.

Sam if you don't start until the WOTLK , you will be playing catch up for months and months. The thing is you need to level up your pally as fast as possible NOW. Then that will give you the option to boost whatever you want later. If you want to go with the shammy option, might as well dual or 5 box them together. (4 sham 1 pal) That way you will learn about 5 mans, class strengths/weaknesses, how to play them, and so on. Otherwise it seems like you are jerking us around if you don't follow through with anything.

Get started and I think you'll find that this community will help you along the way if you have questions about best ways to do things.

Im looking for wholesaler to sell me 26 wow battlechest copies. I am anxous to start lol .. Im not boosting.

If you have EVERYONE at about the same level and you have a group of 5 who getst the tag, it does not matter how many outside the tag group help you kill the mob (you only lose exp if those outside are to high to get exp for the mob). I wont be doing instances, Ill be out in the world killing mobs insantly after the tag. Ill get 1.4 for the group bonus and 1.2 for the high con bonus and 2.0 if i can find elits.

1.2 X 1.4 X 2.0 is whatever times normal exp for every elite kill that (in outlands I think) is 4 levels above the tag group.

if you go around with 10+toons in an area, you'll run out of mobs to kill very quickly and spend most your time waiting for the new spawns, or travelling to a new zone to clear i reckon.
Also, you'll need some 'main' toon to be able to somewhat finance the rest of the group. killing mobs with 10+ (let alone 25) will not net you with alot of gold per toon, even if only focusing on the 5 in the tag-group. eventually you'll not be able to buy all your skills as you level.

if i were to do this, i think i would either
- level 5 separate groups of 5, each with 4 shamies + 1 other class (healer or tank for example) and grind those groups of 5 toons in instances.
or
- level a first group of 5 to 70 as fast as possible, then use those new 70s to each boost a group with 4 new toons.

my 2 coppers

I really look forward to see your progress on this Sam.

I think it's going to be staggeringly difficult to do, but more power to you for it. :D

If you are talking about just mob grinding to get to 70, you might just want to stab yourself in the eyes with daggers now. The penalty for being in a raid will slow you down sooo much, and you can't complete kill quests while in a raid.

Ok so you don't want to boost or do instances. So that leaves grinding mobs or quests. I'm sure you've read that kill quests are a MBers best friend so maybe what you need to do is figure out every kill quest in the game(which would be a nice wiki for us!!!), and just grind them out. That will cure some of the boredom, and you will level much faster than just killing the mobs and getting that exp. You would have to just have parties of 5, no raid, and one party would get credit for each kill. Sit out a party when it is done with the quest then move on and so on.

You will run out of quest in zones, but I bet you could find a friendly Mage to port you to the different major cities and you could go to each starting area and do the kill quests there. That's how I would do it with your limitations.

Sam is not talking about grinding mobs as a raid. What he is describing is as follows:

He has five separate groups in an area.

Group 1 tags mobs and groups 1-to-5 nuke them down. Group 1 gets the exp. Rinse and repeat until they get the level he wants.

The group 2 tags mobs and groups 1-to-5 nuke them down. Once they are done, group 3 tags mobs. Etc etc etc

Yes, it's a grind and yes, it will be awfully boring and respawn timers might make that even worse. But as has been said before, if you've leveled up in Everquest before, leveling 1-70 in WoW will seem like a breeze.

I'd really stick the paladin in with one of the shaman groups and stick to the 25 man concept.

Reason? Because with the shamans you have 16 totems for the pally... thats a LOT of wasted potential.

I really whould like to see this but I doubt it will work. Anyways, my advice (and that of a few others) is: since you don't want to start your 25 till wotlk use the time and play one character to 70 (preferably a paladin). That way you'll get experience with the game mechanics and get some ingame cash for repairs of your 25. Or you could play a group of 5 containing all characters you consider using to get a feel for those characters.
Anyways, stop reading and theorycrafting - go, pick up a few wow copies and start playing around. Then continue reading based on the experiences you made.
Bunny

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I really whould like to see this but I doubt it will work. Anyways, my advice (and that of a few others) is: since you don't want to start your 25 till wotlk use the time and play one character to 70 (preferably a paladin). That way you'll get experience with the game mechanics and get some ingame cash for repairs of your 25. Or you could play a group of 5 containing all characters you consider using to get a feel for those characters.
Anyways, stop reading and theorycrafting - go, pick up a few wow copies and start playing around. Then continue reading based on the experiences you made.
Bunny

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He's been told this about dozens of times in these threads but he doesn't seem to get it. We shall see.

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you can't complete kill quests while in a raid.

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This is what's going to kill you honestly. That and there simply aren't enough mobs in old world content to kill back to back with the kind of killing power you'd unleash with 25 characters. That being said there is a dynamic spawn rate in Outland so if you park somewhere, lets say one of the Orge areas in Nagrand, the more people you have there the faster they respawn. There I could see this as being feasible and you're also going to make a ton of cash from blues, cloth, coin drops.

Good luck to you sir, I think we're all excited to see how this turns out for you.

Got one copy yesterday. Have 21 on order, will get 4 more tommorow on order.654rfvbgt

Settled on

1 Blood Elf Female Paladin (Prot)
25 Taruen Male Shaman (elemental)

Still not sure of server though, has to be LA data center with PvP. But hard to tell which has the most alliance targets ...

PvP realms in LA are :
Aegwynn
Akama
Barthilas
Blackrock
Bloodscalp
Bonechewer
Boulderfist
Chromaggus
Crushridge
Daggerspine
Darkspear
Dragonmaw
Drak'thul
Dreadmaul
Dunemaul
Firetree
Frostmane
Frostmourne
Frostwolf
Garithos
Gurubashi
Hakkar
Jubei'Thos
Kil'jaeden
Korgath
Malorne
Mug'thol
Nathrezim
Ner'zhul
Smolderthorn
Spirestone
Stonemaul
Stormscale
Thaurissan
Tichondrius

I'm on Akama so I can speak for it, it's about a 1:1 ratio of Horde to Alliance. If you're looking to be outnumbered check out http://www.warcraftrealms.com/realms...hp?sort=server but keep in mind these can be way way off.

EDIT: Updated the list, I was missing quite a few.

You've only listed the Vengence BG

Bloodlust
Cyclone
Reckoning

are also from the LA datacenter.

Sam, before you do anything read this New Recruit a Friend Features