I just read that miners guide written just after Dominion, and he was claiming to get seriously high ISK numbers, something like 51b/month or something. I'll see if I can dig it up again.
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I just read that miners guide written just after Dominion, and he was claiming to get seriously high ISK numbers, something like 51b/month or something. I'll see if I can dig it up again.
That was probably before the changes to the ice belts (when they were unlimited, literally printing isk) I haven't done the exact math but I reckon my fleet does 350+ an hour at least. If you need a home in the drone lands let me know.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1205/B..._Report_v3.pdf FOUND IT!Quote:
Originally Posted by EaTCarbS
Yeah, it was made May 2012 (in INFERNO!), so yeah, well before the ice nerfs. But from what I gathered he wasn't mucking with ice, hence my interest.
Can you take a screenshot of the anoms in one such system, including the system security status?
Yea, none of that info is valid anymore, its all been changed. its much easier now, actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by bugme143
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/The_Sp...e2b,4dh-st#sec
Plenty of hordes to go around.
Well I didn't want to break your opsec....
I was actually looking at your mining anoms. If you send me a mail or invite me to your corp / personal pub chat, I can ask what I'd like to ask in secret. I'll be the first to admit I'm utter shite at putting my thoughts into words here.
not much opsec to break tbh. Just looking at my post history here one could find who I fly with and where I live. I'll hit you up soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by bugme143
Just had this fit handed to me for AFK ratting alts in nullsec while training carrier skills:
1052 DPS, 700 EHP/s omni, 1200 EHP/s Gurista. Pricetag: 600m.Quote:
[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith C-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith C-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
'Arbalest' Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Garde I x2
Caldari Navy Wasp x5
Optimal Range Script x1
Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile x2130
Interesting note: If you upgrade one rig to T2, you can drop a flux for another damage mod and remain cap stable.
eh... I get tired of seeing sub-par rattler fits. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by bugme143
They are only subpar if you arent afk ratting with them. Thats one of the best things about being in certain highly organized areas... the people that fuck with ratters are regularly hunted so its secure.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaTCarbS
It was built by a guy who AFK rats with 8x characters, IIRC.
Slightly off topic: Has anyone here ever tried out an arty nag warping at 100km in a C5 site?
There is a vid of a solo nag in c5 sites
Wasn't Arty fit though, whole idea revolved around killing the BS as they got to their orbit ranges
Also as i understand it, the escalation rats spawn where you land?
Yeah, i know the video. It was an autocannon fit built for tracking.Quote:
Originally Posted by thedevilyouknow
I was also interested in a Solo C5 Thanny vid i saw but you have to fiddle around with the fitting or use a high-ish CPU implant.
Fairly certain that escalations don't spawn at where you land or else the whole "warp cap at 100km and warp off/cloak" trick for killing daytrippers wouldn't work. Speaking of, we got dunked by an archon who did warp in at 100km and the escalation spawned on us.
I'll have to test it on SISI one day.
the escalation wave spawns about 60k (i think its 60, would need to verify tough) straight upwards of the beacon, when you warp at 0 you just go straight up and do a bookmark, then warp dread to it and start the killing, the concept in itself is actually easy, the hard part is securing the wh's and making sure no one will gank you while you are runing the site
So if I make a bookmark about 1/2 way between the warpin spawn and the escalation spawn, and warped in at range, I could theoretically snipe the sleepers?Quote:
Originally Posted by iThirdAge Solette
I'm not sure what making a bookmark 1/2way between the points would do for you (as ive never done WH's to that extent) but you could just (if looking for range of the escalation spawn) bookmark the escalation spawn point, and warp in at range?
It was an attempt on my part to figure out if an arty naglfar would work in a solo C5 site.Quote:
Originally Posted by thedevilyouknow
TL;DR: It wouldn't really...
Considered sticking some toons into nullsec, karmafleet tax is back up to 15%, any other takers for a ratting specific toons which will just generate income if you leave them alone? - srs don't want to grind sov
If you have any friends in SMA you can angle yourself into a lowtax corp there. Most of their space is empty, especially the areas bordering GSF space.Quote:
Originally Posted by thedevilyouknow
I have no friends :( .... in 0.0 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bugme143
so i ran my first VG's last night. 2 nestors, 1 bhalgorn, 5 sentry Domi's, 3 Gecko/Accolyte's. that was... an experience. Def gonna stay overtanked till i can get the hang of things, but this is fun. Took it REAAAAALY slow. still make 500m in an hour.
this is fun.
next investment is definitely going to be to buy a booster as running without one was a little rough and I don't want to wait a year to train one up. did nothing but NCO's might try OTA's if i can get one of my buddies to send me armor links.
I haven't been running much the last couple months. Yesterday I ran for the first time in a month. I only ran 9 sites before calling it a night.
Tonight I decided to institute some of the changes I've been daydreaming about for a while now. So I call this Fleet V3.0 as it's a departure from the old fleet v2 comp I ran before.
V3.0
Loki primary DDD with 5 domis assigned
Nightmare secondary DDD with 1 domi and 2 nestors assigned
6 t2 garde Domis
2 Nestors with t2 gardes
Prospect for ore/haxor
Astarte with 4 or 5 links not set yet
Link to fits : http://i.imgur.com/GIIVPIL.jpg
I went with pulse and scorch on the nightmare for the extra tracking and simplicity involved. The NM targets the niarjas at the start then moves to cruisers. I run 2x tracking and 1x optimal scripts on the NM. The loki does the usual kill order.
Domis still run 4x tracking 1x optimal scripts
6 rep nestors are plenty of repping power. The tracking linked improved effective dps but more importantly the DLA meant that the drones were activating consistently. The nightmare tends to shoot cruisers outside of the normal control range of the nestors. The DLA means I don't have to make sure the nestor's gardes are shooting.
Prospect is running t2 data analyzers on top of a tank with prop mod. I've started hacking OTAs but I'm not 100% sure if it's improving site times or not. I need more time to get used to the current fleet comp and to get more samples.
Astarte is running 4 links because nestors are cap stable without the damage control II link. I'm thinking of putting the shield harmonizer link in as a replacement.
Videos of typical sites for this setup.
OTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJMX6ZGg-Sw
NMC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ6U3RcheC8
NCO : Short warp but a 55 AU warp would of added only 11 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL6ba3cabgo
Comments?
Nice. Have you tried a Bhaalgorn as a DDD/Webber yet? with 4 Tachs it can alpha a niarja and reach out a ways. (it's pricey, but seems to work well)
I'm just starting out and it's your vids that kindof inspired me to give it a shot. I use ISboxer on one monitor just to split my 2 nestors even down the screen (i hate how in windowed mode they overlap) and then the domi's run on the other screen just normal stacked like yours.
I'm running 2 cap stable nestors, 5 sentry Domi's, 3 gecko/accolyte Domi's and a Bhaalgorn for my webber/ddd. (I like having the extra buffer as I'm still getting used to this whole macro/micro manage. had a buddy run one of my nestors the other night just cause he wanted to see what it was like as far as how the damage application went. boy, with someone else helping with 1 logi, the ota's we were doing were 6 minute payouts. (alone i get closer to 12 now). with boosts i'm getting ~30k on the web range with the bhaal (only min BS-III on that toon) so he's running 4meta4 Tachs with multifreq, 2 fed navy webs, 2 target painters and a SeBo. had a couple other friends come along in their marauders just for fun for a couple sites to watch how things went and they were pleasantly surprised at how fast the niarja was going byebye. Everything is overtanked right now with 2 EANMs and a Plate on everything, and it's still 1-2 shotting all the frigs. I'm sure site times will improve once i can graduate to T2 guards instead of fed navy. But this is fun.
I haven't tried the bhaalgorn because I don't want to train Minmatar BS V just to have shorter webs and a longer lock time. I don't use minmatar ships so I'd have no other use for the skill.
FYI fknra, this Rapier gets 45.3k EHP no implants no boosts:
And this Loki gets 86.2k EHP no implants no boosts:Quote:
[Rapier, Webber Armor]
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Damage Control II
1600mm Steel Plates II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Target Painter II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Dual Light Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency S
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
The Loki is a modified C5 Loki fit. When I ran dual Basis + Rattlesnakes, my shield Loki only had a DC2 and Extender rigs for tank. I personally prefer the Rapier over the Loki because it gets 56km webs with FedNavy, compared to the Loki's 35km. In my entire VG life, I've only ever lost 1 DDD, which was the Loki, but it was due to mass disconnects that occurred some months back.Quote:
[Loki, Loki fit]
1600mm Steel Plates II
Energized Kinetic Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Signal Amplifier II
Signal Amplifier II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Target Painter II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Dual Light Pulse Laser I, Multifrequency S
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Loki Propulsion - Chassis Optimization
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Engineering - Supplemental Coolant Injector
The Loki has fewer midslots than the Rapier, but it makes up for that with some spare lowslots.
IMHO, the Loki is more newbie friendly than the Rapier thanks to the base resist profile and rigs, but the Rapier wins once you get comfortable.
I'll post more when I get back to the internet.
I may give the rapier/loki a shot, my current "ddd" pilot is only a temp as he finishes training into remote armor rep 5 and electronics upgrades 5 so he can fly the nestor. My main (which is stuck in the nestor till said ddd pilot is done in another 10 days) can fly all the fun stuff so i'll be trying different compositions as i get more comfortable and the fleet matures. At first i figured "ya i can have this up and going in 2 months..." 4 months later and i'm just getting into running, anyone who says this is just "too easy and an isk faucet" has obviously never tried to put together a fleet let alone actually fly one. I would put the stress levels at "riding a motorcycle at 90% of it's performance envelope" levels. it's manageable till the rear breaks loose and you get that adrenaline surge as you have to react or die.
Paging CCP Fozzie....Quote:
Originally Posted by fknra
lol who am I kidding? Nobody in CCP knows how to use ISBoxer.
I need to correct something. My current loki has 2 sig amps, tracking enhancer, 1600 t2 , Corelum C-type EANM, and A DCU II. I accidentally showed an older fit in the image.
Bugme's loki is more tanked than mine (which isn't a surprise as c5s require it). The fit I linked can handle 100% influence with relative ease if you're used to running your fleet otherwise another EANM helps. Tamas and the Nation commander are the only ones that do kinetic/exp damage and they do it with missiles that have an explosion radius of 450m. I always target Niarja > tama/commander so there really isn't much in the way of explosive/kinetic damage flying around. What missile damage is done is hindered by my fleet having smaller sig radius than the missiles.
I've been looking at the rapier ever since our conversations about the loki months ago. Since I basically had the same pre-reqs for the loki AND the rapier I always meant to give the rapier a try. The Nolak's rapier locks 1 second faster then my current loki on the smallest targets. So lock time is effectively the same. What is nice about the rapier is that the TPs get a bonus from it on top of the extra web range. My loki pilot is one of a few in the incursion fleet that can use missiles effectively. As a phoenix pilot she has almost all the related damage skills at IV and V. So I'm actually thinking of using heavy missiles with her as I sometimes fire off the arty too early. The delay in the missile hit could allow for the webs to bleed more speed before impact.
The fit I've been meaning to try is kind of similar to Nolak's. Since I don't view kinetic/exp to be much of a threat I don't bother specifically tanking against it. Also the extra Sebo is at best 1 less second in targeting but if you watch my videos that one second really is meaningless 99% of the time for me. It should always be meaningless but I'm not perfect at my rotation. I also prefer two TPs as the effective dps increase is noticeable with the second one (she has IV signature focusing).
[Rapier, VG DDD 3 web 2 TP 1 sebo]
1600mm Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Republic Fleet Target Painter
Republic Fleet Target Painter
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Nova Heavy Missile
Auto Targeting System II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
The downside on the rapier is that it has half the EHP of the loki.
As multiboxers, we're not your average 1-account-blob-until-walking-dead-comes-on type, so we tend to make this stuff look easy/OP to the casual observer. It probably IS an ISK-faucet once you get it working well, but the whole "vanishingly small numbers" perspective and time investment in getting it to the faucet stage that the WoW devs understand apparently still eludes certain companies. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by fknra
Tell that to Fozzie and CBBQuote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
I'm usually under the influence of something when I'm running. I definitely was when I was making those videos and when I had the friendly contest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ughmahedhurtz
When I first started out I couldn't even think of doing that. It's practically muscle memory at this point.
If high sec incursions aren't an isk faucet then Fozzie sov and jump fatigue are a brilliant success.
I think he means compared to WoW PVE. In EVE, you can get suicide ganked and lose your shit, or get jammed at the wrong second and lose a ship, whereas in WoW, if your tank or AOE dies, you can rez him.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaTCarbS
Add-on: all the non-boxing QQers who I've run into who complain about incursions being faucets want CCP to fix the system for them when the mechanics are already in place to shutdown incursions, both the actual constellation, and fleets.
http://imgur.com/0TvfhXU
will leave this link here for anyone who is curious on a mining setup
Self explanatory
Was that you?Quote:
Originally Posted by thedevilyouknow
i wish
I dont use ISBoxer anymore, too scared
Should still chill with us in-game.Quote:
Originally Posted by thedevilyouknow
Just lurking about and i see that screenshot, thats a blue to me :D He seems to get some kills with that setup every other day.
Oh I've swapped to EVE-O Preview, may even upload a screenshot to show my setup sometime this pay cycle.
Definitely an impressive mining setup that guy posted in reddit. I never got the returns on mining that I expected, even in null. Not enough time to try again these days.
A friend boxes a fleet of IcePicks and makes ozone and stront all day with Rorq boosts. Dunno how hard it'd be to try ninja gas-huffing in a wormhole or reverse-daytripping to nullsec to mine ice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morganti