The main difference between Prepared and Sam from what I can see is that Prepared is actually playing the game =P
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The main difference between Prepared and Sam from what I can see is that Prepared is actually playing the game =P
Don't get all "goody goody two-shoes" on us. You're the one who made the thread about wanting to know who has the most boxed accounts in WoW was. You're not fooling anyone, bucko.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Prepared',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114393#pos t114393
@Prepared:
I know you wanted to just get on with the fun of playing the game - and I both applaud and respect that immensely - but the cat's out of the bag now, so any hope you had of a quiet life is long gone :)
So how about a Blog?
What you're doing (actually *doing*, not talking about) is unique and interesting to alot of people here. I know it's a big ask for you to invest time into writing anything up, but I bet you'd find a few fanbois around here!
Where do I sign up?
8)
Do you really think that this Sam-person is real? I still haven't ready *anything* that can convince me that he is. Every little suggestion and evidence points out he is not (his lack of knowledge of WoW, his website, his commitment, etc. etc.)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Kyudo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114542#post11 4542
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/h...rd/Hadoken.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Ken',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114574#post1145 74
Ditto! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Otlecs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114566#post1 14566
https://www.paypal.com/IntegrationCe...opayments.htmlQuote:
Even I have to lol @ the business plan that is charging $0.99 via credit card, given the state of the VISA/MC/Discover cartel. Let alone to watch somebody play WoW. Good luck with those $0.35 minimum fees and 2 - 3% on top of that. What you do is neat Sam and hopefully those two half million dollar properties have not gone down in value so much that you have to "charge for admission" because asking people to pay $0.99 per year is 1) not likely to work very well from a practical perspective and 2) not likely to actually work either.
Ya they said I was a fool in EQ for years and years also but (read down about 1/2 way):Quote:
Do you really think that this Sam-person is real? I still haven't ready *anything* that can convince me that he is. Every little suggestion and evidence points out he is not (his lack of knowledge of WoW, his website, his commitment, etc. etc.)
http://forums.station.sony.com/eq/po...opic_id=133048
and
http://www.fohguild.org/forums/retar...oxing-wow.html (I have the 3rd highest positive rateing of ALL posters at FoH plus 77 internets, click on my profile to see comments)
First people laugh at me when I say gaming is my profession, because I don't make any money at it, then when I try to make a bit of paper off the deal they say I should burn in hell. Hum... Can't please everyone I guess.Quote:
I hope you burn in hell. Your arrogant, annoying and last but not least ignorant of what WoW is for kind of a game.
If your trying to compare ego, there is no comparison. I HAVE THE SINGLE MOST DPS IN ALL OF EQ HISTORY!!!!!!!!!! RAWR!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Naysayer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114565#pos t114565
lol spare some internets for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114655#p ost114655
I don't know whats with everyone down on me for bragging or comparing here are threads on the first page of the forum right now, these people are NOT bragging, then what exactly is the purpose of any of these 4 posts?
Finally hit 70 on my squad !!!
Highest instance with 3?
Muti-Boxing "DING" Thread
I belive i'm the first linux multiboxer?
I believe Sam is real. His claims about owning a million dollars of real estate are less verified. His WHOIS points to a house worth about 120k in the suburbs of CA. Maybe he lives there and owns the property but it just seems... off. I like Sam and the idea of pushing the game to the limit and seeing how far you can go but I am not sure it all adds up.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Ken',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114574#post1145 74
Not that it matters. I think what Sam and everybody else here is doing is great. Although the hooker thing *IS* a bit odd.
I also think that Sam's concept of WoW, coming into it from EQ may be a bit skewed as to how it will translate and what his goals are. I think he will have fun but I am not sure that he understands the nuances of exactly how this will all play out. I could do 25 or 30 or even 40 accounts at once. But I don't and will not because there is no point. Tier 1 is over and the game has moved in a different direction.
It's a community for people to encourage and provide tips/advice to help each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114662#p ost114662]I don't know whats with everyone down on me for bragging or comparing here are threads on the first page of the forum right now, these people are NOT bragging, then what exactly is the purpose of any of these 4 posts?
[url='http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=12782&
Saying "Finally hit 70 on my squad !!!" is NOT bragging, it's merly an expression of excitement for the work that was involved and it serves to help others to see that lvling to 70 with not 1 but 5 toons is doable and to keep pressing on.
On the other hand, Sam, your comments are poisonous in the fact that you breath unhealthy competition and attempt to put yourself above others.
There is a very clear difference between wanting to share your success with other people who are interested in the things you do, and wanting to lord your supremacy over everyone as is clearly your goal.
I, personally, am FAAAR more impressed by the guy who just comes along one day talking about his efforts soloing Karazhan than I will ever be by your posturing and contriving ways in which you are (soon to be) "the top" at something. You steal the thunder of your own accomplishments by sitting around carping about them before hand. Not to mention that talk's cheap.
When you have characters that are actually able to do something in the game, and further have actually done something in the game, then come back and brag to us about it, k? Until then, you aren't the top two anything - except maybe braggart.
This thread is brilliant. I love it how sam really does care how he's not the "top" boxer. Although he brought in his eq accounts to prove he is. Genius! Keep it up sam please this is funny! :thumbsup:
Sam is easier to tolerate if you just recognize that he is talking to himself, out loud. Yes, it's ego-driven. But it's just his way of approaching games. It doesn't bug me because that's how I view him. Yes, he will surpass me in WORLDWIDE SINGLE TARGET DPS USING TWO BUTTONS OR LESS or whatever metric he has set for himself. He isn't trying to surpass Prepared because he wants to show us how super-cool he is, he is trying to surpass Prepared because it's a goal he set for himself.
It isn't something I have ever tried to understand. It's just Sam. As long as he isn't talking out loud in the movie theatre, he's pretty harmless.
Won't Lightning Shield proc off Arcane Explosion?
Warcraft artist emphasize and embellish certain details to make that monster/player stick out from the background texture. It's more of a style and not aiming "real world"--I sure don't want "real world" in a fantasy setting.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Zub',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114316#post1143 16
Geez give the guy a break, he might be a bit of an odd-ball by some standards (didn't see his old profile picture? ^^) but he's a nice enough guy, just with a different view on things. Typical interwebs...
Yes it would, meaning any mage that got into the middle of the shamans, would take 26-32 lightning shields for however much damage. More hps than the mage has I am sure ;). Taking insta-gib to a whole new level.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sanctume',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114725#pos t114725
ShogunQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Shogun',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114758#post1 14758
Personally, I find Sam to be the source of much amusement and have "known" about him since his Retard Rickshaw days on the FoH forums.
What is most impressive about him is his complete and utter impervious-ness (if there is such a word) to flames/insults. I mean, for heaven's sake, I would be a pile of ashes with some of the verbal abuse directed his way, but he seems completely immune to it. I think he may be a Turing machine, but of course we'll never know.
Still, if I find someone in real life to be acting like a jackass in my home or somewhere that I frequent, I have no qualms in calling him or her a jackass.
Sam has switched his focus to WoW at present because it's the most popular MMORPG around and EQ is really going nowhere. I suggest that Sam does what he does more for the "Wow" factor (pardon the pun) from onlookers than for the sake of enjoying the game as a game per se. Who cares, whatever floats your boat. Still, this forum was designed for people who enjoy playing a GAME as a GAME, only in a non-typical fashion. So, since we're not all here competing to run the most instances of WoW as compared to everyone else, I will always view Sam's posts with inherent distaste, as they seem to be more attention-whoring than anything else.
And as far as Prepared is concerned, his original post was, IMHO, a question based mostly on curiosity. I come to this site because I am interested in how other people are multi-boxing to see if I can improve my gameplay at all. I have learned a ton from the site, and I will post here for the sake of improving my gameplay and hopefully answer a few questions from others along the way that may help them out.
Sam, you win at WoW. No one will ever be better than you, because if they ever do something more than you do, you will just one-up them. So you win.
Now go away and play the game.
I'm pretty sure Sam was the all time king of the rickshaw back on the FoH message boards. Hes loud, hes arrogant, and he strokes his own epeen, but thats just who he is. Love em or hate, but don't read if you don't like what he has to say.
120K? You were off only by 398K. Whats the address then look it up here: 518K ...
http://www.zillow.com/homes/map/3908...b/san-jose_rb/
Ok one thing I been thinking about is that people are saying the boss mobs cant be boxed in WoW for some reason or other. As you saw in EQ I have a large number of entirely different classes, and EQ is harder then WoW. Can someone give me a url as to exactly why boss mobs in WoW are somehow different then EQ mobs that makes them impossible for boxers?
While I can't point you to specific articles, many boss mobs can't be effectively multiboxed because they require specific sections of the raid to perform specific functions all at the same time. For example (and I'll rely on my old-world pre-BC raiding days for this here), most of the bosses in MC/BWL etc required certain members of the raids to perform highly specific tasks (mind control of a mob, cleansing of certain debuffs) etc etc to bring down the boss. They weren't simply a tank-and-spank fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114881#p ost114881
You could wowwiki the various instances to see what I mean, but I'll be very highly impressed by anyone able to bring down a raid boss who requires them to be doing 3 or 4 things simultaneously with different parts of their raid.
It's the primary reason why I can't see any practical point to going past 10 boxing - even then I look at some of the Kara/ZA bosses one struggle to see how a multiboxer could "solo" them given the crowd control / mid-fight movement that would be required.
APN: 494-08-043Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114881#p ost114881
http://eservices.sccgov.org/ari/sear...dc=C&year=2009
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...038926463,,0,5
Tax value has it at like $140k *shrug* They are rarely accurate anyway.
I don't care one way or the other really although with the market being what it is out there in CA....
My life is not enriched or diminished eitherway. I dont really even want to bring finances into this discussion.
Looking at all these posts blinded me of the true issue: accepting people for who they are. I've been told that a million times and I STILL sometimes forget. Well said brother. Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Tonuss',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114722#post1 14722
If owning homes allows you to consider yourself rich, I'd better tell my wife to quit yappin about her "poverty".....
Wow, who would pay 500k for a house built in 1977 with only 1500 square feet?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Xzin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114942#post114 942
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_13_(1978)
Kinda nice I pay property taxs as if it were worth 140K, when in fact its worth 500K plus ...
The land is what has the value, as it is near jobs .... If you tore the house down you would still get 450plusK for the land.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highest...00000B-QINU.07
Well it seems that trash has a 1 percent or so chance to drop super items:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Leggings_of_the_Grand_Crusader
Sure 24 shaman can kill trash np. So just kill 100 trash and get a epic item ...
None of these 15 bosses can be boxed?
See Santa Clara County.
OK this seems the simplest of the 25 man instances and with level 80 around the corner..
http://www.wowwiki.com/High_King_Maulgar
Exactly whats the problem dont the 5 adds come one at a time? The council cannot be single pulled? Well doh ... Still umm these mobs have hp int eh 300K area ... well if all 5 come thats a wipe for sure, well 5 do come well humm,
One of the first real technical fights in 25 mans ( i think) need lots of classes to participate and do everything just right. Prepares you for future technical 25 person raids. IF you can box this sam, you would be da man. It would be a good test for you :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=115033#p ost115033
http://www.wowwiki.com/High_King_Maulgar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4302sPx4k-U
Forget about Maulgar ... 4 off tanks lol ... no way.
Ok what about this guy:
http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=15931
no adds.
This Naxxramas will be a 25 man encounter after WotLK, surely this guy is not "impossible" to 25 box.
This guys is also tank and spank:
http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=16028
This is a stright up fight from all I can see.
sorry I didn't make it to nax pre-tbc, my guild was late to the ball so to speak, so I won't be much help here. I'm sure there are plenty here that cleared it though, but I don't know how much anyone will be able to comment on it since it will be RE-introduced come wotlk.
Afraid grobbulus wont be multiboxable,
Mutating Injection: Injects a target with a mutagen that will do a 4,500 physical damage AOE after 10 sec, or a lower-damage AOE when cleansed. The target will create a Poison Cloud identical to those Grobbulus spawns, so the target will need to run to the side when cleansed to avoid damaging the rest of the raid.
The person who gets this disease must run to a wall on there own for it to be cleansed, maybe its doable by quickly switching , turning and enabling auto-run.
Keep inmind, naxx is being re-vamped in WoTLK whilst most of it will stay the same but just retuned for level 80 blizzard have mentioned that some fights will be changing abit
There are many fights where multiboxing will be impossible, for example thaddius - This fight works the same as the first boss in mech heroic, people with positive debuff must run to the left and people with negative debuff must run to the right - if there mixed they instantly die basically. Would be utterly impossible to separate them as just 1 person, WoTLK is going to be the same - there will be surley a few bosses you could do, but there isnt many. I think you will find most joy in worldbosses, you will also have nice competition for them agaisnt other guilds. They spawn at random times in the week, hopefully blizzard add more of them in WoTLK just like the emerald dragons.
oops double post, keep in mind these are only the entry level bosses - just imagine trying to multibox sunwell ;) utterly impossible on every single boss
Unless they nerf patchwerk into the ground from what he was pre tbc he wont be boxable either. He hits like a truck and required extremely precise break healing from every healer. Thats not to mention that he required 2-3 tanks and every consumable under the sun. I can see someone 10 boxing maybe 1 or 2 of the bosses in Naxx (Patchwerk and Maexxna) but even then I think at least the tanks would need to far outgear the fight to make it anywhere near possible. Unless they start to make tank and spank fights again in WOTLK ur best bet is world bosses or going for stuff that u vastly outlevel like pre tbc or maybe some tbc bosses.
Patchwerk would probably wipe your raid in about 20 seconds with or with out lvl 70 gear. Really, anything in Naxx would. The only things really you could kill with your setup would be things in Molten Core. Even then, that place has been 3 man'd.
You can't really brut force any raid boss in wow, due to there mechanics. That is to say with the correct raid group you can do anything.
With enough DPS, anything is possible. Having done Naxx, I doubt even at 80, you will have enough with 25/30.
The reason that most WoW bosses are difficult to multibox is that they usually require the raid to focus on various different things during the fight. Sometimes you need to off-tank one or more mobs. Sometimes you need to kite a few mobs. Sometimes you need one player to watch out for certain debuffs and remove them as soon as they can. Many bosses have phases when their DPS rate changes, and healing has to be ramped up or down to compensate (not including having to keep an eye out for spike damage). Other bosses will do periodic AoE that requires certain characters to scatter and then return as soon as they can in order to maintain DPS. And so on and so forth.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114881#p ost114881
It requires that you split your attention several ways all at once. See if you can find the thread from the guy who multiboxed Karazhan by controlling all ten characters. They were already well-geared, and thus he was able to brute-force many of the encounters (example, he ignored the "moving AoE" effect from Shade of Aran and simply healed through the damage, something that you can't get away with unless you've pretty much outgeared the event). But some encounters remained difficult or impossible to do (Netherspite and Nightbane, I think were the ones).
The way events are designed in WoW make it a lot of fun for a well-coordinated group of people, and make it very hard for a multiboxer. I would advise that you try it anyway, you've got nothing to lose and who knows what you can pull off? But the likelyhood is that you'll wipe a lot.
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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=113986#p ost113986
If i want real world I'll go outside, also given that its a fantasy game it has just cause to look like anything they wantQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Sanctume',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114738#pos t114738
WoW looks like the games it has drawn its heritage from.
I feel when im playing that im in a real place - the World of Azeroth, while knowing full well that its a virtual environment, While EQ may look "real" its still in the same category.
No idea what a EQ Raid/World boss is like but WoW ones generally require careful management of where you are, what you do or don't do.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114881#p ost114881
I recall him saying that he didn't really want much attentionQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114476#p ost114476
A URL? How about personal experience? Most bosses in WoW require players to make very precise and coordinated movements and spell choices, or it's a wipe. You can't even get past those mechanics by outleveling most of the time - though possibly if you were 20 levels ahead. The Molten Core is the only instance that resembles EQ raid design, from what I know about the games, and as such it can be 3 manned anyway. You still need 20+ INDIVIDUALS to take on level 60 Naxxramas at level 70!Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=114881#p ost114881
Some mechanics could be brute-forced by waiting for the next expansion, but not most of them. How about random, extremely deadly fires shooting all over the ground and players getting punted into the sky, where one death means the raid wipes or nearly wipes? You need to micromanage movement over ALL your characters and use special items at the exact moment to not die from fall damage. Fall damage isn't something you can mitigate with levelups. I mean, really, how can you precisely move 25 at one time in totally different directions? WoW is full of battles requiring SPLIT SECOND movement out of fire and looting special items and using them at the right time. There's even a fight where you turn into a ghost who goes and does battle with other ghosts, and you have two separate ghosts going at once. I don't even know if a level 80 squad will be able to bypass this by having enough DPS to kill the boss before you wipe. The only time you would be able to do a WoW raid boss is if you can kill it before the mechanics matter, which isn't that much of an accomplishment. People stick to 5 and a few 10 mans because many or most of those bosses can be micromanaged well enough. But even then, not even an experienced boxer has full cleared the easiest 10-man there is.
Yeah, I don't understand how it's easier to suspend your disbelief in EQ. The games are outdated and look so ugly. It's not like it makes you think you're in a real world. I don't care about graphics that much at all, but I don't see how someone can make a statement about art styles making a game distracting when you're going to be favoring the game with grainy graphics from two generations ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=115274#po st115274