Question for those familiar with billing and names and such...

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Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84334#post8 4334

If you want to "let a friend check out the game" you can very easily get them a trial key without compromising your own account.

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I'm sorry for baiting you, but I was hoping you'd say that.

How is rolling a level 1 trial account going to sell a person on this game? 5 minutes on my T6 mage has converted dozens of friends from EQ/EQ2/SWG/Vanguard/Halo and many more. Not to mention that you have to download nearly 3gb of patches just to be able to roll that lvl1 troll, so you can go out and get a crit for 6 dmg.

This has always been one of my pet peeves about Blizzard, this game is not friendly to new installs.

But the thing is your account is the way that you want to play it, not your friend's way. If they have no clue on how stuff working they probably get confused and frustrate and not play. There is a lvl 1 so you get to learn the game easier. Plus what happens when they die on your main with t6. It just cost you a couple gold to repair your stuff, or if they sold some of your stuff by mistake then you are screwed

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Originally Posted by 'Bovidae',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84873#post8 4873

5 minutes on my T6 mage has converted dozens of friends from EQ/EQ2/SWG/Vanguard/Halo and many more.

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actually 5 minutes on a lvl 1 got me out of guild wars and FFXI. I found wow a more enjoyable game

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Originally Posted by 'Bovidae',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84873#post8 4873

How is rolling a level 1 trial account going to sell a person on this game? 5 minutes on my T6 mage has converted dozens of friends from EQ/EQ2/SWG/Vanguard/Halo and many more.

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They can still watch you play your t6 mage. After all, you'd be better at playing it than they would.

I got into WoW by watching Suvega lead MC/BWL/AQ raids. I wouldn't have known wtf to do if he would've handed me the keyboard, but I still found it enjoyable to see what the endgame would be like.


For those who don't know, my first 60 dinged 2 weeks before Burning Crusade. I still regret not being able to participate in the 40-man content.

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Not to mention that you have to download nearly 3gb of patches just to be able to roll that lvl1 troll, so you can go out and get a crit for 6 dmg.

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They can still play the trial account on your computer. They don't have to install the game+patches on their own computer unless they want to.

What Suvega did was burned all the patches he had downloaded (they get placed within your C:\program files\world of warcraft folder) onto a CD-R. He handed me his install disks and the patches and I was able to just install them straight off the disks and patch from his patches with no download time. Of course, I intended to play the game even after the trial period so it was worth it to me to install. If it's just a "hey look and see" moment, I see no reason why they couldn't log in with their trial account name/password on your computer.

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This has always been one of my pet peeves about Blizzard, this game is not friendly to new installs.

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It's only as friendly as you want it to be.

You're not telling me that you still download all WoW patches individually for all your multibox machines? Or do you download them once and xfer them over the network to the other machines?

Oh no, I've got my setup in order, and has been for many years. But when I built my new machine, or helped others set up theirs, I had to have a 20 pack, because a getting from 1.12 -> 2.4 is not for the uninitiated.

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Originally Posted by Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84854#post84 854]
[quote='Mwuanno',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84647 #post84647]Yes, if you are the legal guardian of a minor, you can setup an account for him/her to play on. BUT THAT MEANS YOU CANNOT F****** PLAY IT YOURSELF! The rule of 1 person playing an account STILL applies. You setup the account for your son to play wow ? Then it's your son who plays wow, not you. You need to buy your own account.

This misconception keeps popping up. Simply put: you CANNOT accountshare with ANYONE, not even your offspring.[/quote]

Incorrect.

Key word here is "and".

[url]http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.html[/url]
[quote='termsofuse

Eligibility.
You represent that you are an adult in your country of residence. You agree to these Terms of Use on behalf of yourself and, at your discretion, for one (1) minor child for whom you are a parent or guardian and whom you have authorized to use the account you create on the Service.

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Of course, if you're concerned you can always contact the customer service forums and get clarification on this policy. But as I read it, you are allowed to create an account for yourself AND one minor child. Not "or".[/quote]

I stand corrected. I originally found this information on the forums, however, the interpretation there was, that it was not allowed.

However: http://www.wow-europe.com/en/legal/termsofuse.html

Relevant section quoted here:

In case you establish an Account for your child, you understand and accept that, it is your responsibility as the legal guardian to determine whether World of Warcraft is appropriate for your child. You may not share the Account with anyone, except that if you are a parent or guardian, you may permit one (1) minor child to use the Account when not in use by you. You are liable for all uses of the Account that has been enabled by you. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary herein, you acknowledge and agree that you shall have no ownership or other property interest in the Account.

My mistake, your (1) child can indeed play on your account, when not in use by you.

Trust Vyndree to weed out the silly posters mistakes ;)

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Originally Posted by 'Mwuanno',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84895#post8 4895

Trust Vyndree to weed out the silly posters mistakes

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Hey, you guys fix my math mistakes. :)

I get to be your ToU/Eula proofreader and you get to smack me upside the head when I turn 0.04% into 4% by accident.

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Originally Posted by 'Talamarr',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84178#post 84178

It really wouldn't surprise me if the GMs had a tool that showed your account name when they simply moused over your toons.

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They don't, but if you're reported, and they have to investigate you, they will open the account information for all the 5 accounts you're using.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84180#pos t84180

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Originally Posted by 'Xuthus',index.php?page=Thread&postID=84170#post84 170

Yeah that 45-60 mill a month is not enough revenue to support a call center along with all the developers . Hmm um maybe it is .but it doesn't affect the blizz only thier customers

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You might want to do some research on "the cost of running a business the size of blizzards" before you say anything else. Yes, they make a butt load of cash, but the profits aren't as wide as you may think.

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As an example.. There are approximately 350 game masters covering the european market, including seniors, and the starting salary is between 19 and 22000 euro per year depending on experience. (Customer service experience, not wow or gaming experience)

Someone do the maths please.. that's not mys trongest side. :P

thats 7.7mill a year