Accounts Closed due to "Billing Discrepancy"

yeah you really have to make sure of this before you start multiboxing.

Unless you are multiboxing on magtheridon (and even there), you attract tons of attention.

When I go on a new server, and if I go to a major city, sometimes ill have 20,30,40,50 or more people gathered around me watching me.

This really attracts way to much attention to be breaking any rules.

My first group I had 5 60 warlocks, 2 of them were on accounts not in my name. Once I heard of someone getting suspended/banned on that on this forum, I threw my 2 warlocks away and started new ones because its just not worth it imo.

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Originally Posted by 'Lazzadorabcd',index.php?page=Thread&postID=76135# post76135

What do you mean "introduce a pause"

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Software or hardware that injects a pause or delay in your keystroke to simulate multiple keypresses is illegal.

I.E I press F1, my G15 sends my heal key, pauses a second to wait for GCD and sends another key press to heal again. Those types of things are considered automation.

I sort of strayed off your original question but it was naturally going to be another question you had as it was for me too =)

Here is one of many threads in the customer service forum about it
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...sid=1&pageNo=3

[quote='zanthor',index.php?page=Thread&postID=76006 #post76006]That said, everyone who reads even a little of these forums should know that this isn't up for discussion, blizzard will ban you if they can catch you (and they can), and you won't get the accounts back unless you can jump through their hoops - at which point it's a game of waiting to be banned... again.[/quote]

QFT.

While we're perfectly happy to inform our other multiboxers as to what IS the ToU/Eula, encouraging anyone to break the rules or explaining how to break the rules is against our [url='http://dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Board&boardID=31']community guidelines[/url].

As long as this conversation stays as a "this is how the rules are defined" we should be fine. :) I'm all for intelligent discussions. :)

[quote='Lazzadorabcd',index.php?page=Thread&postID= 76115#post76115]I use my real name for the registered name and weird numbers/letters for the account name.

All of my accounts will have my name as the registered person as well as the billing info[/quote]

This is perfectly acceptable. In fact, this is what you are SUPPOSED to do. As long as the registered "real name" on the account you play on is your legal and current name, you are not violating those rules. The actual ACCOUNT NAME (used for logging into the game with your password) is just for yourself to make up -- it doesn't have to match your other accounts.

Billing does not need to match on accounts. You can pay one with game cards, one with paypal, and one with a credit card. It doesn't really matter.

[quote='Lazzadorabcd',index.php?page=Thread&postID= 76126#post76126]Is there any issues with using the G15 keyboard and binding like "shift+5" to a Gkey????


I cant beleive there would be but its the only other thing i didnt think to confirm is ok[/quote]

We have a great [url='http://dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.php/GM_Conversations']GM quote wiki[/url] with some links that will help you figure this stuff out. When in doubt, make your own thread on the official customer service forums and clarify. :) While we can give you advice it is always best to have official proof before making any final decisions.

That being said...
Timers in Out-of-game Macros

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G15 Keyboard Legality
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...geNo=1&sid=1#4
Malkatorix, Blizzard Poster

"I use a G11 myself. Just don't use the macro keys to do anything a normal wow macro could not do in a single press. Think of them as extra storage for normal macros, and you're fine. "
Malkatorix, Blizzard Poster http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/th...=1&pageNo=2#27

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Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=75715#post7 5715

That's because you can let your KID play your account. KID. Nonplural. If he wants to share it with multiple KIDS then he has to either buy another account or disagree to the terms of use and return the product. I'm assuming he chose to do neither.

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You make a lot of assumptions. It's human laziness to not pull a EULA/ToS website of a box, head home to read it, then go purchase the game in store? That makes all but about a dozen of the most paranoid/OCD people in the world lazy. Most people who actually read the EULA don't do so until they're installing the game, and there's nothing terribly unethical about the EULA anyway. However, they're making assumptions about account sharing without contacting the user first. The main point here is the fact that Bliz is suspending accounts that are frequently used across different IPs without verifying if an account is actually shared or not, then make you jump through hoops to get the account back. My cousin's KID, singular, spends half the time with him, and splits partial time between two sets of grandparents with frequent visits to the rest of the family. A minimum of 3 IP addresses used on a weekly basis will appear as a shared account, even though it's *one* user on *one* laptop. Before multiboxing, my account was suspended for taking my laptop with me while I was visiting family around the country on a month long vacation, and it took weeks to get it back. My sister's account has been suspended multiple times for this same thing - constant travel for her job means she's playing from up to 12 hotel IP addresses in a given month. After about the 5th time of incompetence from Bliz customer "service" in getting the issue resolved (which is NOT done quickly), she ditched the game. My cousin doesn't want to deal with a chance of that same sort of problem, so he proved he was 'lazy' and returned the game through Bliz, and it "only" took 4-6 months to get a check back, however, they kindly included sales tax.

This whole conversation wasn't intended to be a slam on Bliz for the return policy. That's there to cover their own ass. It's about the fact that returning a videogame is much more difficult than returning most other products at a store.

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Originally Posted by -silencer-',index.php?page=Thread&postID=76363#post76363]You make a lot of assumptions. It's human laziness to not pull a EULA/ToS website of a box, head home to read it, then go purchase the game in store? [/quote]

No, it's human laziness to not return the item if you do not agree with the terms.

I'm merely pointing out that there ARE alternatives if you are VASTLY opposed to returning the item to blizzard because it will "take too long".

If you KNOW that you're too lazy to return it directly to Blizzard, which is the correct decision?
[list][*]Find another way to figure out whether the EULA/ToS is acceptable to you such that you can return the box in-store rather than to blizzard?[*]Ignore the rules, do what you want, then QQ when you get banned for breaking the rules even though you clicked "I accept"?[*]Agree and abide to the rules regardless of your personal opinion on them just because, while you may not like the rules, you'd rather not have to call Blizzard's phone # to return the product directly.[*]Claim that the product is "unreturnable" due to your human nature of wanting to open the box and because it's "too hard" to return it to Blizzard?[/list]


The point of my post wasn't "you should read the ToU/EULA before you EVER buy a product".

Nor was the point of my post "you should read the ToU/EULA before you EVER open a product".


The point of my post was a conditional. Consider it a Modus Ponens.

[list][*]IF you know that you are too lazy to return a product to the manufacturer after you open the box, then you should probably know that you want to keep the product before you open it.[*]You know that you are too lazy to return a product to the manugacturere after you open the box.
Therefore...?[*]You should probably know that you want to keep the product before you open it.[/list]


I make no assumptions. I only laid down the first premise: [b]If you know that you are too lazy to return a product to the manufacturer after you open the box, then you should probably know that you want to keep the product before you open it.[/b]

I then went on to offer advice on possible options for the person who fits that premise to be able to read the ToU/EULA before ever opening the box such that it would be impossible to return to the point of sale. It's not Blizzard's problem to bend to your will just because people are too lazy to call the number in the EULA/ToU and return the product directly.


Because it is so easy to "make assumptions" about what I did and did not say, I will quote my own post for clarification.

[quote='Vyndree

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With Bliz, you have to go through the hassle of faxing receipts, have Bliz verify with the store of a purchase, and shipping the game.. meanwhile hoping that they mail you a check before next year. They don't make it easy on purpose..

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That's human laziness then.

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Let's clarify that again.

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With Bliz, you have to go through the hassle of faxing receipts, have Bliz verify with the store of a purchase, and shipping the game.. meanwhile hoping that they mail you a check before next year. They don't make it easy on purpose..

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is human laziness.

In what other REASONABLE way should blizzard cater to your needs? They can't force the point of sale to take back the opened product due to the nature of the account key. They can't update the packaging every time there is a ToU/Eula change so that you can read it on the box prior to purchase.

They offer the only thing they can offer: return the product to them, and they will refund the purchase price.

If you KNOW you are unwilling to do that, but you BUY the product anyway (SUPPORTING the manufacturer) KNOWING that whether or not you agree to the terms you are not going to return the product either way... It is YOUR responsibility to educate yourself PRIOR to purchase.

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Originally Posted by '-silencer-',index.php?page=Thread&postID=76363#post76363

The main point here is the fact that Bliz is suspending accounts that are frequently used across different IPs without verifying if an account is actually shared or not, then make you jump through hoops to get the account back

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THIS is only the case if the IP jump went an impossible-to-travel distance within an impossible time. For example, logging in from NY and logging in 5 minutes later from China.

Yes, they make mistakes. Yes, people have gotten mistakenly banned for wintrading (playing on a formerly wintraded, or later wintraded team). Yes, people have gotten mistakenly banned for botting (linux). Yes, people have mistakenly gotten banned for 3rd party automation (multiboxers). Yes, people have mistakenly gotten banned for account sharing (when being hacked).

Blizzard is not all-knowing. Blizzard makes mistakes. Blizzard has a method to appeal their decisions and will rectify mistakes if it is right to do so. Is this process easy? No. Does this have anything to do with understanding the eula/terms? no.

You STILL have to understand the terms of use and eula BEFORE you click "I accept". THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR CLICKING "I ACCEPT" IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT OR DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE TERMS/EULA.

If you have a problem with the way Blizzard identifies and actions accounts, that's for a different thread.

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Originally Posted by '-silencer-',index.php?page=Thread&postID=76363#post76363

That's there to cover their own ass. It's about the fact that returning a videogame is much more difficult than returning most other products at a store.

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And what would you expect them to do? Allow returns at the store? Would you appreciate getting a "dud" for a account key because some turd returned the boxed game after he had used the account key and activated the account?

Would you rather they just take your word that you bought the box and sent you the money you claim to have spent without asking for you to mail them the box or the receipt? How would Blizzard deal with fraud?

How do you KNOW how long it takes to get a refund by calling their number? Have you called their number? Have you attempted to see how long it would take to get a refund? A week? A month? A year? How long did it take to get a refund via blizzard's method, since it's so "inconvenient"? Have you heard how long it took someone else to get a refund?

I mean, if we're talking about people making assumptions -- how long DOES it take and how hard IS IT to get a refund using blizzard's method? I mean, since we're claiming it's so hard it's like pulling teeth...

If you have a suggestion for them that's more in-line with your needs and equally useful for Blizzard to prevent fraudulent returns then by all means -- post it in the suggestions forum and I will support it. But at this point I can't think of one, nor do I blame Blizzard for protecting their product.

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