Think I'm Done

IMHO,

If you are very skilled, have skilled friends, a great guild etc your climb up the gear ladder will be a swift one. You get there fast, the elevator ride

If you aren't quite as skilled, OR don't have skilled friends, OR aren't in a great guild and can't be in one right now you can grind up the ladder, although a little too easily. So blizz is going to take that ladder away or make it almost impossible for most. You can be really good but if you don't have good friends you are out of luck.

My suggestion would be a combination of these extremes. If you are the first group you get your gear as it is proposed quick and cheap. If you are in the other, you can still work your butt off and get most of the gear to try and compete but make it cost you 2,3 or 4 times the arena points or honor points.

1900 rating here's your helm 1875
1600 rating here's your helm 3200
1400 rating here's your helm 5000

agree it's too easy and cheap to get now, agree people need something to grind for. With PVE grind your tailoring/bs/engineering up for similiar gear to PVE with CD's it takes a long time but you will get there.

"hey look i finally got my new S4 helm", "uhm my new viking horny goat helm has better stats" "when did WotLK come out?"

Why do arena-related threads always bring the toolboxes out of the woodwork?

Because arenas fail, and beget failure. They spoil people and inflate e-peens that should never exist let alone be inflated. WoW fears Warhammer's pvp for some unknown reason and is humping arenas for all they're worth like a lovesick puppy in puberty

I guess I do not get bent on this new requirements. I spent 5 months strait (twice) getting the best gear in the game (rank 14 HWL and GM) since they changed that system for the better, I has lost my desire to have the best. the best changes every 3-6 months. I shoot for the next to best almost as good for a lot less time outlay. Now on to Miltary. Allways join the Air Force , they send their O's into combat. Training is great, assignments , base support , education etc. Why ride can you can fly :P

Unfortunately with personal rating, it's not just a matter of how good you are. You need to find anywhere from 1-4 other people who also are at least decently geared and skilled to start with. Then you need to spend the playing together to learn how to play with each other and how exactly your specific comp/spec work. It's not a week-long endeavor where you just grab some random people who're in S3 and then magically you have a 2k rating. Lest we not forget actually scheduling games themselves.

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No you dont, seasons take about 4 months, time enough to scrounge points.

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That's exactly what we're talking about--Now it doesn't matter how many points you have, it matters how high you can get your personal rating.

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My point was that if you can't do it because of work, real life, or whatever, WHY should something like for instance, ratings, be removed? The world does not circle around certain persons who are complaining and yelling to throw in a towel.

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WoW has/had one thing over virtually every other MMO out there: You could put your time in and get the exact same thing that anyone else in the game could get. If you played casually, you got it at casual speed. If you played hardcore, you got it at hardcore speed. Now they're taking that away in regards to S4/Honor gear.

And don't talk to me about skill being rewarded--As soon as they removed the attunements for BT tons of people started seeing Illidan. With arenas, skill was rewarded by being the first to each piece plus end of season honors. As I see it, that's the way it should be.

The direction WoW is taking with PvP bores the shit out of me.



Have cancelled all my accounts, pre-ordered Age Of Conan, and have GTA1V on the way. I'll wait for Warhammer or maybe just have a blast in Age Of Conan. Whatever happens right now, the treadmill is so obvious, and the pedastal being raised higher and higher - I have no desire to enjoy the 'time sinks' thrown at us to appease us till WotLK.



Will still the read the forums here - been fun to watch this comnunity grow and see all the cool videos. Peace out.

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Originally Posted by 'Slats',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56368#post563 68

The direction WoW is taking with PvP bores the shit out of me.

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I'm surprised people get as worked up about pvp in wow as they do anyways. Really, pvp is tacked on in wow. It was an afterthought. It can be fun sometimes, but it's hardly what the game was designed for.

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Originally Posted by 'Mosg2',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56357#post563 57

WoW has/had one thing over virtually every other MMO out there: You could put your time in and get the exact same thing that anyone else in the game could get. If you played casually, you got it at casual speed. If you played hardcore, you got it at hardcore speed. Now they're taking that away in regards to S4/Honor gear.

And don't talk to me about skill being rewarded--As soon as they removed the attunements for BT tons of people started seeing Illidan. With arenas, skill was rewarded by being the first to each piece plus end of season honors. As I see it, that's the way it should be.

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Im sorry but if your guild didnt get passed scc / tk and for that matter vash and kael, you do not automaticly see illidian, thats a wrong assumption. Besides, sunwell is the new black raidingwise, bt is from the past already. Same as they are doing to pvp gear, s1 will be gone, s2 is the new honor gear, s3 is new semi arena gear and s4 will be the new hip arena gear. It all scoots a point or 2.

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Im sorry but if your guild didnt get passed scc / tk and for that matter vash and kael, you do not automaticly see illidian, thats a wrong assumption. Besides, sunwell is the new black raidingwise, bt is from the past already. Same as they are doing to pvp gear, s1 will be gone, s2 is the new honor gear, s3 is new semi arena gear and s4 will be the new hip arena gear. It all scoots a point or 2.

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You need some comprehension lessons.

1. I'm not in a guild.

2. Since they removed the access quests, TONS of people have jumped straight into BT and gotten right up to Illidan. That's what I said and that's what I meant.

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Originally Posted by 'Mosg2',index.php?page=Thread&postID=56503#post565 03

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Im sorry but if your guild didnt get passed scc / tk and for that matter vash and kael, you do not automaticly see illidian, thats a wrong assumption. Besides, sunwell is the new black raidingwise, bt is from the past already. Same as they are doing to pvp gear, s1 will be gone, s2 is the new honor gear, s3 is new semi arena gear and s4 will be the new hip arena gear. It all scoots a point or 2.

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You need some comprehension lessons.

1. I'm not in a guild.

2. Since they removed the access quests, TONS of people have jumped straight into BT and gotten right up to Illidan. That's what I said and that's what I meant.

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1. Really, that comprehension bit is so pathetic, especially for a nerf caller like yourself.
2. And like I said Im calling it bullshit.

Anyways, I was talking in general, try to keep up. And what you are saying is bull. There is a big gear gap vs end bosses in bt and tk (not to mention tacticwise). There is no way in hell people have made that up by now (since the patch and the release of that attunement stuff) if they couldnt kill kael (best fight ever btw) or vashj.