Cata not so MB friendly

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Originally Posted by Multibocks

What should we be doing? Pre-Heroics?

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You would do normal level 85 dungeons till your pretty much geared up through them. Just like we did in burning crusade, people ran normal "70" instances for a bit, till they could get enough to do heroics. Maybe many people have forgotten that Shadow Vault, Mech, Bot, Arcatraz, Steamvaults, Shattered halls were all available for us, to do in non heroic modes and were geared towards level 70's, and later magister's terrace dropped and that was not for fresh geared 80's similar to our ICC instances. Instead the WoTLK model was ding 80 in level 76 quest greens-- and never do a single normal instance ever again. The keys kept people bound to normal instances at least for a bit; which then allowed them to get the gear they needed (blues) to clear through heroics. I mean really, I hit 80-- didn't even change gear and went and cleared heroic UK 5 box...
It's ok that you like the game easy man! There's ton of people out there like that. I however, want more instances like the last few that came out and less crap like UK.

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Originally Posted by Multibocks

What should we be doing? Pre-Heroics?

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I'm sure you remember that we needed a certain level of rep to obtain the keys to open up Heroics for most of the duration of The Burning Crusade. And yes, I would say that is the point of the "normal" dungeons [or pre-heroics], to gear you up for heroics. Heroics then, in turn, gear you up for the first raid tier. And when you hit your first raid you're wearing mostly blues, with a few greens, and maybe an epic.

The line is between normal dungeons and raiding is currently very skewed and dumbed down. I hope Blizzard can find a mix between BC and WotLK.

Lets call them Bravoics.
Not quite Heroes yet, but quite Brave already

if you've 4/5/10 boxed ICC 10 and 25 you should be able to do any heroic in cata...

"It's ok that you like the game easy man! There's ton of people out there like that. I however, want more instances like the last few that came out and less crap like UK."

That thread has become full of elietest jerks all trying to flex the E-Peen. Wow your amazing you Boxed this, that, and the other. Here is your cookie good sir. No no really here it is!

By no means am I saying I want a hand out. By no means am I saying I want a walk in the park. But I agree with multiblocks 100% in the fact that if an instance took me 2 hours to do I wouldnt play this game. Then again Multi and I seem to be the only two that are in the beta. (at least from what I can tell) You have no idea whats in store for you.

If you boxed ICC 10/25 great all that stuff is gone by 82-83 so im not really sure what you mean by this. Perhaps you mean then your good at movements and situations sure.

Look I play this game because I like the fantasy. I like to steam roll dungeons. I like to kick the crap out of people in PVP and I like to do good in raids.....

If I want to get my ass kicked I drive down to the hood with a sign around my neck that is simular to the one in Die Hard 3.....

What I don't like is how they have changed the physical mechanics of the game over time.

I went back to City of Heroes that i used to play and I was impressed with how much it hasn't changed. You can pull mobs to the corner without having to worry about the mobs shooting through the walls. they have added content without breaking what the base game mechanics. The instances or quests can be solo-ed but the whole game is geared for teaming up. you're much better off on a team of 8 than solo.

World of Warcraft is more like World of Collectioncraft and Blizzard is decided that it's better for you NOT to be on a team unless in a dungeon. They don't want anyone teaming up for any reason. All quests that used to require a team have seriously dumbed down content or eliminated.
Kill quests have nearly been eliminated.
collection quests are now more complicated, you have to use something in your bag for almost every quest and they give no support to help you keep track of these quest items.
they rob you of your natural talents for those stupid vehicle/mount quests.
And the ever-so popular "only one person on the whole server can do the quest at a time"..... so if your waiting in line for about 15k other players to finish it. (when the new content just opens up )
The game is not what it once was. it used to be 60-80% simple kill quests and now its 100% collection via bag items.

If getting rid of mboxers was the goal it seems to be working, I have no desire to upgrade my 10 accounts. Right now Blizzard will be lucky if I upgrade one.

I recently got into the beta, even though I haven't been playing wow for almost a year. I am currently deciding if I am going to start again, and have therefore looked upon Cataclysm from a multiboxers perspective. Here is what I've gathered so far.

It will most likely be a pain to travel (for mb'ers) with flying mounts because of the phased content. There is phased content pretty much everywhere.

I do not see quests as a big problem, as I don't see collection quests as a pain. There are a minor portion of the quests which most likely will be frustrating (weirdo flying mount quest in Hyjal cave etc) because of the heavy vehicle use. Otherwise phased content will most likely bother you more than the quest itself.

People seems to care about /click macros, and since the patch the other day macros and addons have been enabled again. Comma macros doesn't seem to working as of now, but I am not entirely sure as I never used those kind of macros (I did test it with some simple macros). If this change remain as of now, it will most likely bother some mb'ers.

As for the dungeons I haven't really done any of them. I am more concentrating on the quests as of now but when I ding 85 (tomorrow hopefully) I will check out the dungeons.

If you've got any questions about Cataclysm I think this is the place - I will do my best to answer any questions :-)

They have made it clear a few times in different interviews and possible posts they want the progression to be:

Ding 85
Run Normal Dungeons to get the gear required
Run Heroic Dungeons to get the gear required
Raid the first Tier of content.

I suspect CC will be required while we are in the first Tier of raid content (in the heroics) as we go up in Tier's we will outgear it and then brute force all the content and complain its 'ez-mode' and Blizzard sucks at making hard content.

When ICC 5 Mans came out everyone was whinging that they where not gonna be boxable, only the elite only the best could do it. Now a fair majority are clearing these. I too think 'heroic' difficulty should be Halls Of Reflection style hard. Perhaps not so AoE centric or chaotic but I enjoyed that challenge and only recently got co-ordinated enough to heal and dps and tank my way through Heroic mode myself.

There is nothing in Cata that says - the sky is falling.

Northrend had tonnes of collection quests, this is nothing new. We got through it.
Instances where harder at the start and got easier, this is nothing new this is just WoW Formula.

I think the main change here thats going to help boxes is the changes to Hero/Victory and Honor/Conquest points, meaning we are going to at least always have the last tier of gear no problems. So taking breaks from the game wont be a problem you'll always be able to catch up nice and easy. :)

Well those are my thoughts on it all. We'll be just fine. Even if click gets changed, we will adapt and find a way.

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Originally Posted by blbjtb

"It's ok that you like the game easy man! There's ton of people out there like that. I however, want more instances like the last few that came out and less crap like UK."

That thread has become full of elietest jerks all trying to flex the E-Peen. Wow your amazing you Boxed this, that, and the other. Here is your cookie good sir. No no really here it is!

By no means am I saying I want a hand out. By no means am I saying I want a walk in the park. But I agree with multiblocks 100% in the fact that if an instance took me 2 hours to do I wouldnt play this game. Then again Multi and I seem to be the only two that are in the beta. (at least from what I can tell) You have no idea whats in store for you.

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Not even sure what thread your talking about, so you lost me. This place is for people to show their E-peen, hell its what started it (thanks aelli!)

I cleared the Throne of the Tides without using CC, we just interrupted heals and plowed through most of it. The only thing we didn't accomplish was that damn ring event, it wasn't functioning. An instance shouldn't take you two hours, difficult does not mean long. If it's to hard for you then find another way to gear up, until its easier. Just because I can't multibox everything doesn't mean that I want the game to be a cakewalk.

I really do hope they follow that progression line of
- Normal 85 instances
- Heroic 85 Instance
- First Raid Tier

I would believe leveling using multiboxing would even be more easy than single char leveling in endgame cataclysm content (75-85).

They changed mobs to have a lot of life and to hit like a truck. So if you level 2 characters instead of one, every kind of kill quest just will be done much faster.

I only got one single account on beta, and currently leveling one of my chars in uldum. You need to use cooldowns if you pull 2 mobs, and it takes up to a minute to kill both. And they hit for 3-5k noncrit and 8-15k crit.

If you do that as a 5 toon team, it should be really easy. The collection quests are a pain in the ass, yes, but there are not many quests which need to collect a lot of items.