What are shaman groups seeing for DPS in heroics?

I spent some time at the target dummy last night and I couldn't get anywhere near 3k dps.
standard flametoung and totems, no heroism
I tried these both with manually applied flame shocks
/castrandom lvb,lb
/castsequence lvb,lb,lb,lb,lb

and compared them auto applied flame shocks and chain lightnings
/castrandom lvb,lb,cl,fs

They all had similar DPS against a single boss target dummy. the first two were almost impossible to run out of mana as compared to the last one ( 76% mana compared to an 0% mana using CL )

the best I did for DPS was apx 1900, the leatherworking with the wrist buff got closer to 2000 dps.
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I then ran an instance and found that using the first castrandom cost me a lot of DPS against trash mobs, i was only getting some 1300dps instead of 1600+ dps I used to get.

I can see that the mana efficient cast sequence is probably manditory against raid bosses like patchwerk however I just can't understand how you got the extra dps.

I did few more tests, the one below I did over 1 million damage on each shaman, my dps could had been higher but meh i forgot to re apply fs few times :P
I'm not sure what You guys are doing wrong if youre not getting similiar damage, maybe its the gearing, maybe You don't spam hard enough, or maybe its like me forgetting to re apply the flame shocks.
Or maybe its the lack of Dk tank >.>

http://www.hdimage.org/images/blopya...0709182604.jpg

http://www.hdimage.org/images/novx0c...0709182915.jpg

do you guys take into account stopping for heals on 4x elemental shamans?
or do you all have 1 resto shaman to spam heals now?

i was testing my shamans on heroic bosses during my regular runs today, and i hardly went over 1600 dps

maybe some of You guys could post Your cast sequence macros, and i could try them out on my team?

Yeah I think thats why it seems a bit low for us, I haven't tested on a dummy, just in actual heroics, and I see around 1600 dps but all my shamans stop to heal (the tank and themselves occasionally).

The real math is, what does more total DPS...

4x ele shamans @ 1600DPS each

or 3x ele shamans at ~2000 DPS each + 1 resto shaman at 0 DPS

The 2000 isn't an actual number...guess I'd have to run some tests on a boss dummy and see what my DPS came up as to see which would actually be better.

Niley, try this:

cast flameshock manually on a boss dummy
cast LvB manually on that dummy

then spam the following macro:

/castrandom Lightning Bolt,Chain Lightning,Lava Burst

Do that for 60 seconds, don't refresh flameshock at all. Just curious what that does for your DPS, because thats basically what I use on bosses for my shamans. (I use purge in the castrandom also but I guess that won't do anything on a dummy).

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Originally Posted by 'Niley',index.php?page=Thread&postID=165034#post16 5034

I did few more tests, the one below I did over 1 million damage on each shaman, my dps could had been higher but meh i forgot to re apply fs few times :P
I'm not sure what You guys are doing wrong if youre not getting similiar damage, maybe its the gearing, maybe You don't spam hard enough, or maybe its like me forgetting to re apply the flame shocks.
Or maybe its the lack of Dk tank >.>

http://www.hdimage.org/images/blopya...0709182604.jpg

http://www.hdimage.org/images/novx0c...0709182915.jpg

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Hiya Niley,

Would you be about to do some DPS tests with your Sham Phoin? Also would you be able to do tests with Phoin not in group with your DK?

I'm hoping this will show what kind of DPS shams can achieve on thier own with baseline gear, and a pure Ele spec. Phein's gear and spec are a bit too different to base an effective comparison on...

Thanks!
Stealthy

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Originally Posted by 'Hachoo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=165048#post1 65048

Niley, try this:

cast flameshock manually on a boss dummy
cast LvB manually on that dummy

then spam the following macro:

/castrandom Lightning Bolt,Chain Lightning,Lava Burst

Do that for 60 seconds, don't refresh flameshock at all. Just curious what that does for your DPS, because thats basically what I use on bosses for my shamans. (I use purge in the castrandom also but I guess that won't do anything on a dummy).

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You do realize how much dps You're losing this way? I can tell Your right now, my shamans will be lower by 600-900ish without re applying flame shock.

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Hiya Niley,

Would you be about to do some DPS tests with your Sham Phoin? Also would you be able to do tests with Phoin not in group with your DK?

I'm hoping this will show what kind of DPS shams can achieve on thier own with baseline gear, and a pure Ele spec. Phein's gear and spec are a bit too different to base an effective comparison on...

Thanks!
Stealthy

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We're not looking for single shaman dps, we are trying to figure out if cast sequence is better then cast random, and in my case for now it seem like cast random is the way to go. There is plenty of solo shaman data around ;)

I understand it will be worse, I'm just curious by how much. I am too lazy to reapply FS generally because I don't actually need it to take down any bosses. Also my casts are so far off by the time I'm ready to reapply I have to lose some DPS to spam FS while I wait for all my shamans to finish their current cast. This usually stops 2+ shamans from casting for a good 1.5s completely.

What a few shaman add to a group in terms of utility makes up for their lower damage by a lot. Heroism and totems are still the most powerful combination of buffs of any class. Don't be too down on the shaman. The only thing I continue to harp on with the shaman class is not to play them exclusively if you want to do anything good in PVE.