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Originally Posted by 'Catamer',index.php?page=Thread&postID=154192#post 154192

they keep telling me that the content wasn't designed for or against multiboxers however I have to disagree.
the base engine that everything is (or was) based off of has always included /assist /follow /focus ( focus includes target through ).
To have these items removed from the game required effort by Bliz. You don't remove these major items without effort.
everyone has known that Bliz could easily end multiboxing by removing any combination of the /assist /follow /focus

the loss of follow while changing zones is not really a problem to me but I do have issue with the massive amounts of "mount" quests where the game doesn't work like used to.
The solo boxer will never notice the loss, it's completely transparent to the solo player.
There doesn't seem to be any point to this loss other than to be anti-boxing.

I'm still having fun so far because I just do my best to avoid these quests or get really miffed because the quest now takes 5x as long as it should have.
We shall see when I get to the higher level content how much fun I have.

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The simple explanation about why follow isn't working in vehicles is because they don't technically count as your character. Your character is still there, but not targetable anymore. When you go to follow, the game won't let you because follow is ALWAYS just a picky mechanic. Follow breaking under totally normal circumstances is nothing new to anyone. It's no stretch to imagine that without any changes whatsoever, follow would not work properly when you're phased out in limbo inside a vehicle. I doubt it has anything to do with multiboxing. The issue is that Blizzard doesn't care to program things that work for boxers. They stick follow and such things in the game for other reasons. These functionalities have never been designed to be resilient solutions to movement. They are just sort of there. Blizzard allows multiboxing, they don't and never have catered to it or cared one way or another.

This is the same fallacy as people saying that the RAF program was put in FOR multiboxers. Anything that helps us wasn't put in for us. Anything that hurts us wasn't put in to hurt us. It is what it is.

How anyone could get to 80 already is beyond me. I have worked 5 days since the expansions release and my 5 box team is 73 now, I'm starting to think I done with WoW altogether now. The first 2 days after release was pretty nice I went on a few runs with friends and did the first 3 instances. Then everyone shot up in level by the third day I couldn't do the instances my friends were doing, I didn't want to hold them back. I just feel like I'm getting no where I can't even do 1 boss in even the easiest instance with my team. I have gotten so frustrated I stopped logging in at all now. It is depressing when you see people working full time and they are 80 now and raiding after I took so much time off work and I'm 73.

Didnt read the entire thread, But for those that are still playing, I suggest you throw people off large cliffs or boats at every chance you get while multiboxing shamans.

High cliffs, boats and zepplin rides are plentiful in outlands and thunderstorm also knocks people off mounts. So... When youre high up on a hill doing a quest and someone of the opposing faction comes by... Thunderstorm them off. I cannot help myself from giggling every single time i do it. no matter how many times i do it.

yes its childish, but what the hell :P

Also since we all have 4 or 5 thunderstorms, you can also push people towards a cliff and eventually throw them off of it. /cheers :P

edit: btw I have 100% quest completed in all zones except storm peaks. Cant seem to find the last 13 quests. I want northredn loremaster! >_>

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Once they past the phase line your main vanishes and only reappears when you move your followers into his phase.

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I haven't experienced this in ANY of the phases that I've been in (I'm 78, in Storm Peaks and I have to deal with /follow breaking around that Hyld-thingy with all the giant blue chicks).

In all cases that I've tripped over a "phase-line", pressing the follow key worked fine and I could see all of my alts just fine. The only phasing that I had to press "arrow up" to get through are the portals in SW/Darn and things like the teleporter in Zul'Drak (ghoul quest chain).

*shrug* Maybe I'm just more laggy and that's what pushes me through.


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Just flying over a single zone (no phasing) and team members would constantly disappear for a few seconds and then reappear

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This? I've seen this happen in BC when you've got too much lag. Usually the solution was to equip all the alts with riding crops and not the main, but... eh... those are baibai now.

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Originally Posted by 'Hatred',index.php?page=Thread&postID=154253#post1 54253

To clear up a few things here. My being frustrated had nothing to do with quests. I had already gotten my Shaman to level 80. Breaking follow here and there was a hell of an annoyance but not impossible to overcome. I have seen over and over people replying that "oh its not supposed to be easy", are you kidding me? I took on boxing because it was fun, I took on boxing because it was a challenge and something new. Please dont act like I gave up because it was to HARD. Being hard has nothing to do with it, I simply dont like the changes that Blizzard made at this point when it comes to play for the multiboxer.

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This doesn't clear anything up at all. :( You stated three reasons for being upset: Phasing follow, AOE, and vehicles. Presumably the problem you are having with these is that they are making it too difficult to multibox and be successful in the way that you would want. I guess there's no reason to argue about it with anyone, I just haven't gotten a good reason from the people not having a good time with WOTLK why ignoring boxer-unfriendly new content is not enough. I mean, I can sit here and agree 100% about the annoyance of everything that annoys you, but this doesn't explain why the content that we are able to do still isn't good enough. I'm pretty sure that anything you could do pre-expansion is still there in the game. Actually, with the 80 level cap it's probably possible for boxers to clear Kara with even a 5-man squad. Heck, even ZA!

Maybe this disappointment is coming more from a PVP perspective on the game?

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Dont' forget you're a full-hardware boxer and all of your "alt" boxes are more then up to par.

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I've also got 10 or more PCs sharing the same intarwebz.

I've felt the lag a bit, particularly the first week. I know when we went to do the city leaders' achievement I was lagged so bad my /follow'ers would lose track of my main when running around on epic land mounts. :(

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Originally Posted by 'Vyndree',index.php?page=Thread&postID=154370#post 154370

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Once they past the phase line your main vanishes and only reappears when you move your followers into his phase.

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I haven't experienced this in ANY of the phases that I've been in (I'm 78, in Storm Peaks and I have to deal with /follow breaking around that Hyld-thingy with all the giant blue chicks).

In all cases that I've tripped over a "phase-line", pressing the follow key worked fine and I could see all of my alts just fine. The only phasing that I had to press "arrow up" to get through are the portals in SW/Darn and things like the teleporter in Zul'Drak (ghoul quest chain).

*shrug* Maybe I'm just more laggy and that's what pushes me through.

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The more you quest in icecrown and storm peaks the more phases you will see. Also, I cant stress enough to make sure all your team complete the same quest. If you dont some may be in another phase of the location than the others. For instance, one may be in a friendly town where another could be in a hostile area. Keep them all on the same phase.

The city of dalaran is beautiful. Tons of details and effort went into the design of the city. But blizzard forgot they are stuffing the majority of the high level population fo the server into the single city. remember laggy ironforge when it was the only city with an auctionhouse? Welcome back to that. but 2x since hrode is there within visible range as well.

I usually have to go get up and stretch when i hearth or zone into dalaran to wait for every player to load. far too many polygons. Dont really have a problem single boxing, but i feel bad for those people playing on really old computers that can barely handle wow. Poor guys.

shattrath at least had the expanded size and the air space so that people were a bit more spread out. blargh.

Vynd, so you are able to fly around Northrend zones with your 5/10 box setup on 280% (or 310%) mounts no problem, right? I just want to make sure there are a few multiboxers who can.

Its definitely not lag, my latency is 75-80ms on ALL 5 wow windows. My FPS is 15 or so in Dalaran (I reset to lowest gfx settings while there), and 55-65 in the world.

Actually I think /console maxfpsbk X may be the problem, by setting it too low the non-focused windows may be too slow redrawing and constantly lose the others. I've just tried

/console maxfpsbk 0

And am going to run with that today to see if it works any better. Other multiboxers who are having follow-in-flight issues, try that and see if it goes any better (if it does, remove from Keyclone/etc the maxfpsbk setting).

Wee time for the senial ole' boxers points of view (tm!)

1) IMO this QQ I'm quitting post can be summarized as follows "OMG IT'S NOT EASY ANYMORE, I HAVE TO WORK AND I DUN LIKE IT, QQ QUITTING". You then deny this in a follow-up post, but provide no change to your reasons for quitting (That other classes can counter your once uber setup). You played an overpowered combination in BC. Face it, shamans were uber easy, which is why 80% of the population on this website is here. They saw ellay owning shit in arenas and decided "I WUNT OVER POWERD TOO!!", figuring that multiboxing = easy win. For a while this was true (read: BC), now that it is not all super easy and requires work I expect a few of these people to QQuit(tm!)


2) Epic mounts + phasing = evil. When crossing phasing boundries characters first fade out, and then re-appear after the game determines that you all should be in teh same "phase". On epic mounts this time is more then enough to get your main about 60 -100 yards ahead (breaking follow). It normally requires a long arrow pressforward to get everyone into the right zone, then going back and picking up your alts.