Very much disappointed in Wrath

Well, ideally they shouldn't have any inventory based quest flags period. Whole thing seems silly that they'll take your word you just killed 30 quillboar, but they'll be damned if they are giving you that cloak without 30 pristine troll heads mounted on sticks forged in the fires of Blackrock mountain with facial adornments reminiscient of the three stooges. Also, make sure you break them on the anvil in Thunderbluff before you take them to the turn in guy for your reward.

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Originally Posted by 'SilverSlice',index.php?page=Thread&postID=149027# post149027

i have started to dislike woltk so much i am geting closer to feel like i migth as well uninstall wow and find another hobby

fair enough i entered woltk when i had 2x70 3x68 now i got 2x70 3x69
i tried questing.
i found the quests so booring and not enough multiboxing friendly quests so i more or less stopped questing.
i tried locating fast respawn area's and farm mobs. either the repsawns is not fast enough or its to many people in the area
i tried some tbc instances. but after a run i can see the xp bar on my 2 x 70 shammys hardly move up. i did the old hilslbrand instance. and i think my main shammys moved up 6%
my 68 got 100k xp so that means i would have had to farm that instances for a few more days.
and then i would need to farm a instance for another week or two to get to 71 on all 5

wotlk rigth now is souch a pain that after 2 hours i logg off to clean my house or watch tv or study some it stuff for work.
the guild my raid rogue is in have accepted that i can chance main and start healing as a shammy, but they will not wait forever for me to get 80

that is enough bitching from me. but i sure would like a few words in private with the idiot of the decade, that deside to make it required to get 1,5 million xp to get one level.

i never had any problems levellng in vanilja wow or in tbc. this expantion pack makes me considering uninstalling it and finding another hobby. this is not fun nor enjoyable anymore

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It sounds like the problem is that you are not mentally into leveling up again. It doesn't actually take longer to gain a level. I got 5000 experience from killing the first mob in the Nexus. Quests are giving over 20,000 experience on average. There are well over 100 quests in each new zone it looks like. You can choose from one of two zones to begin in. I've quested two 5 man teams through Borean Tundra while doing collection quests the slow way and they both gained well over 1.5 million in just two nights of play.

TheBigBB i think you are rigth. i got a course in groton/uk anyway the end of this week.
think i will spend the days before the course and study a bit. perhaps in the weekend i will be more up for some leveling :) thanks TheBigBB

Silver

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Originally Posted by 'SilverSlice',index.php?page=Thread&postID=149068# post149068

TheBigBB i think you are rigth. i got a course in groton/uk anyway the end of this week.
think i will spend the days before the course and study a bit. perhaps in the weekend i will be more up for some leveling :) thanks TheBigBB

Silver

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It's tough! The thing that drives me is the excitement of having new dungeons to try to beat and then seeing characters I RAFed 2 weeks ago in WOTLK blues.

"same with the dumb troll ears in eversong woods.each person should be able to loot two ears. since when did trolls only have one ear?"

Remember, all drops are widgets. They're abstract game 'things' with art and a name pinned to them. You're waiting for Item #X56aB to drop, not [Troll Ear]. Unlike [Troll Ear]s, nothing, not even an undeformed troll, has to have two Item #X56aBs unless the game design says you should be picking them up two at a time.

Under the hood, the design says that quest A should take the average player about B minutes, and this means the item the quest requires C of should drop about once every D kills. You'd think that calling the required item "Troll Ear" would mean they modify C so that D = 0.5, but sometimes that's not appropriate, e.g. when they want the place swarming with trolls but don't want the requirement to be '200 Troll Ears', which might seem off-putting to some players who prefer hunting down a nice manageable-looking 8 of something. And maybe it'd make more sense to call the item "Rare-ish Troll Ju-Ju" or something, but there are times when you want players cutting off ears because it's cool.

There's a bit of a disconnect there between what you think you're dealing with and what you're actually dealing with, but the design drives it, not the 'seeming'.

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Originally Posted by 'Malekyth',index.php?page=Thread&postID=149092#pos t149092

"same with the dumb troll ears in eversong woods.each person should be able to loot two ears. since when did trolls only have one ear?"

Remember, all drops are widgets. They're abstract game 'things' with art and a name pinned to them. You're waiting for Item #X56aB to drop, not [Troll Ear]. Unlike [Troll Ear]s, nothing, not even an undeformed troll, has to have two Item #X56aBs unless the game design says you should be picking them up two at a time.

Under the hood, the design says that quest A should take the average player about B minutes, and this means the item the quest requires C of should drop about once every D kills. You'd think that calling the required item "Troll Ear" would mean they modify C so that D = 0.5, but sometimes that's not appropriate, e.g. when they want the place swarming with trolls but don't want the requirement to be '200 Troll Ears', which might seem off-putting to some players who prefer hunting down a nice manageable-looking 8 of something. And maybe it'd make more sense to call the item "Rare-ish Troll Ju-Ju" or something, but there are times when you want players cutting off ears because it's cool.

There's a bit of a disconnect there between what you think you're dealing with and what you're actually dealing with, but the design drives it, not the 'seeming'.

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Shooooo!!! You get out of here with your fancy "logic"!!!!! :P

I am an avid leveler, and I can say with full confidence that Borean Tundra is the most boring zone I've quested in in a long while. This was not the zone that the new players should have started on. I am heading to Howling fjord tonight after I finish Dragonblight (i know, backwards, but I'm a quest nut).

Boredom Tundra had no "new" quest types.

In regards to the OP, Blizzard's "respawn" program is so completely borked right now, I bet they don't even know how it works. I was in Boredom Tundra and the respawn rates were incredibly slow. Literally, 15 people standing around at least, no mobs spawning. The next day, I went to that same area, and could not even loot because the mobs were spawning so fast.

The other problem is that so many of the quests overlapped it wasn't even funny. Go to this area and get X item. Turn quest in. Go back to same area and kill X mobs. Turn quest in. Go back to same area and use X item on magical beacon. Turn quest in. And you wonder why I was getting bored with the quests. This happened at least 7-8 times just in the first zone.

The first quest that I actually thought was fun wasn't until I made it into Dragonblight.

I also had a quest "complete" without even seeing the cutscene for it. The scene where Arthas pulls the sword out, yeah, I didn't get to see that at all. I walked up with my 2 toons and got the quest completed right as arthas was despawning. So, I guess I'll just have to lvl another toon through there in order to see that actual cutscene... or I could just play Warcraft III again.

Which brings me to my next big complaint... I understand this whole "wrath of the lich king", but it just furthers my belief that blizzard just can't come up with anything "new" and they just constantly reuse storyline. It's neat in one way to see the same storyline in WoW, but in another concept it's like, I already fought this fight and I already know the ending.

WTB New story arc.

/rant off

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Originally Posted by 'Duese',index.php?page=Thread&postID=149112#post14 9112

Which brings me to my next big complaint... I understand this whole "wrath of the lich king", but it just furthers my belief that blizzard just can't come up with anything "new" and they just constantly reuse storyline. It's neat in one way to see the same storyline in WoW, but in another concept it's like, I already fought this fight and I already know the ending.

WTB New story arc.

/rant off

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I never fought Arthas in WoW. ?(

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New troll please.

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Don't call me a troll, especially with the lack of thought of your post.

Sure, you may not have fought Arthas, but the whole wrath story arc has been WC3 -> Frozen Throne ... and then just toss on "oh, let's fight arthas now" to the very end. That doesn't make anything original. I still stand by my belief that blizzard hasn't had any "new" ideas since Warcraft 3.

I would call you ignorant if you didn't get that feeling of "I've played this game before" when going through half the quest chains that you've gone through. And the quests that didn't pertain specifically to the arthas storyline, were all quests that were on that same mindset. "Fight the scourge, fight arthas' forces, blah blah blah"

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But I will say that after completing all the dragonblight quests (achievements ftw), the quests are getting a LOT more fun. You only have to go through a couple crap quests to get to the fun ones.

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New troll please.

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Don't call me a troll, especially with the lack of thought of your post.

Sure, you may not have fought Arthas, but the whole wrath story arc has been WC3 -> Frozen Throne ... and then just toss on "oh, let's fight arthas now" to the very end. That doesn't make anything original. I still stand by my belief that blizzard hasn't had any "new" ideas since Warcraft 3.

I would call you ignorant if you didn't get that feeling of "I've played this game before" when going through half the quest chains that you've gone through. And the quests that didn't pertain specifically to the arthas storyline, were all quests that were on that same mindset. "Fight the scourge, fight arthas' forces, blah blah blah"

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But I will say that after completing all the dragonblight quests (achievements ftw), the quests are getting a LOT more fun. You only have to go through a couple crap quests to get to the fun ones.

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I spent most of the last two years of WoW battling Illidan and the Burning Legion. I spent most of the two years before that battling Ragnaros, trolls, a lot of bugs and the Black Dragonflight. Until now all of my scourge encounters on WoW were confined to the Plaguelands plus a few months of Naxxramas, which most people never actually even got to do. The Arthas story arc is probably the most popular story arc in WoW, and it's ABOUT TIME that we got to battle him directly. Although we have to expect that the normal solo-oriented questing will be often dull for hardcore gamers like us, the storyline and the coming raids to go along with it are very welcome.