No more gear from BGS :(

LOL...BG epics are great for catching up and it's not like they were instantly available when BC started. It was a lot of BG's, and I do play them hard when I'm in them, to get my S2 gear which helped me get my s3 and s4 gear. All PVE bosses should drop some type of badge instead of random gear or have some NPC be able to trade a looted piece for another. IMO boj gear is just as welfare as BG and arena epics, you put in the time, you learn a strategy that works then you put in more time to farm the badges. If you are a solo player you can still be sub-par and be carried by the 4 others nowadays if you have the right friends/connections which is no better than sub-par BG'ers collecting their purples.

I'm not sure why this has even turned into pve<->pvp welfare posting anyway, we all pay our monthly subs to Blizz in order to have *fun* in their virtual world and different people have fun in different ways. I just bought the final 4 epic flying training for my 5 shaman team, if Blizzard reduced the cost tomorrow to 2k gold instead of 5k would I be mad? No! It's how it works plus it means my future epic flyer on alts will be even easier to get.

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Originally Posted by 'Xar',index.php?page=Thread&postID=125800#post1258 00

if Blizzard reduced the cost tomorrow to 2k gold instead of 5k would I be mad? No!

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wow you are such a better man then me. I would get F**king pissed and i would cry about it, but in the end there is nothing that i can do. Like how the lvl 40 mounts became lvl 30 mounts with cheaper cost. My lock team already bought the mounts (well only the priest), but my sham team didn't. They where lvl 29 when i found out about the patch (thank god they have ghost wolf), by the time the patch came out they where lvl 58. So in the end i saved money but a couple of times i almost caved in cause the wolf was so slow. I wasn't that lucky with RAF. I think a month or 2 after i got my team going RAF started, yes i was pissed (not as much as the people that just started), but i was pissed. Again there was nothing i can do about it so i just continued what i was doing.

People deal with things differently, me, yes i get pissed, but if there is nothing that i can do about it, then i just go along with it, doesn't mean i agree with it, but hey it happens.

last note: like when my season 1 rogue went against full S3 hunter and Pally. No matter how good i was and how bad they where there was no way i will be able to kill the pally and the hunter just 3 shots my healer. Pissed that blizzard matched our team up with them, but nothing that i can do.

I knew the /wrists that was getting 5 chars to 375 LW would come in handy one day.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=125828#po st125828

There are a number of guilds on my server that randomly spam the trade channel with "for sale" ads. One of them regularly farms Sunwell (yes, farms it).

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shit i wonder how much that will cost.

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There are a number of guilds on my server that randomly spam the trade channel with "for sale" ads. One of them regularly farms Sunwell (yes, farms it).

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shit i wonder how much that will cost.

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Its anywhere from 5-7000 gold on my server... we're a medium population server too.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=125828#po st125828

There are a number of guilds on my server that randomly spam the trade channel with "for sale" ads. One of them regularly farms Sunwell (yes, farms it).

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shit i wonder how much that will cost.

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Its anywhere from 5-7000 gold on my server... we're a medium population server too.

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I don't think that is bad only if you also don't have to pay per epic too... Paying that much i would ask for master looter and probably pay them per boss... cause after you give them the money, they don't have to run you... i don't think the gm will do anything either.

I think the 5000-7000 gold Rin was quoting was just for a bear from ZA, nothing else.

That's the cost of 1 single bear, no other drops on my server. There's a couple of guilds who can do it, so the prices may have dropped. If I were you, I'd go with either a reputable guild, or maybe do it on the condition of 2k up front, 3k after the run... show them the 5k first so they know that you do in fact have the cash. Most people will compromise with you, as it's a lot of money to throw at a trade window.

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=125765#po st125765

I guess I need to clarify my thoughts.

1) Honor grinded gear = welfare epics. You show up and work hard, or AFK and do nothing, and you get the same gear as everyone else. Its a timeclock to be punched, but there is no skill or effort required. Yes, you can be billy-bad-ass, but its NOT A REQUIREMENT.
2) Arena grinded gear, even with all the faults of the system, you at least have to put a little effort into it (at least for the rating requirement gear). Ya, you can buy points and ratings and stuff.... but blizz is slowly fixing that.
3) PvE/Heroic/Raid gear. You pretty much have to earn this, especially as a multiboxing. There are no welfare runs there, especially when you first ding 70. Do or die. You don't get points for LOSING.

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1) agreed - although as a boxer you can't really AFK your way through. Too many people will just report you AFK out of spite. I don't agree with no skill or effort required - boxers have to put some effort in if they want to win games. Putting no effort = losing games = hate on boxer day.

2) agreed.

3) Replace earn with learn - cuz once you've learned the instances / boss encoutners, that's it. Then it just becomes a matter of time, i.e. the better the gear, the less time it takes to finish. It never change unless Blizz patches it in. And then after a while it becomes a mind numbing cake walk.

Could say badge gear = welfare epics... honestly how hard is it to farm heroics LOL am I right ? One could say badge gear is for those who can't get into a guild and raid, and for those who suck at pvp no ? As much as I hate to admit it I kinda agree with Anjua. Honestly, when it comes down to it, who cares how you get your gear. Before you bust out the Soap box on how you spend hours on end fighting scripted npcs in 5man instances that are almost a year old for badges... Anjuna spends hours on end fighting real people, while balancing the chance / probability (VERY HIGH in fact) that he gets paired with pugs that have shit for brains or afk the whole time. End result you both spend X ammount of time for epics that increase your effectiveness in the area that you choose (pve/pvp).

If you are in PVE gear and die to some one in "welfare" epics that is your own fault. You spent your time grinding badges, while he spent his time grinding honor. It's not like he has afk bots running constantly on all his chars or logs in and goes /epicmenowplz and gets an inventory full of pvp gear. Reguardless of what shit pile of crayola colors you tote around on you, both take equal effort and large ammounts of time.