Talent Builds

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Originally Posted by Rowdysattva',index.php?page=Thread&postID=124825#p ost124825][color=#000000][font='Times

It seemed to me that 70% chance to avoid spell pushback was better than 70% reduction in spell pushback... but maybe that is just emotional flavor.

So i am now wondering how vital Eye of the Storm is. I am considering more of a pvp perspective than a pve perspective. How bad is that one second delay? I guess the question is whether the .7 sec is worth it for 3 points?

I have considered a spec like this . Link is to /wotlkwiki website. There are two points left and i am not sure if they would go into Instant Ghost Wolf, Totemic Focus, Earth's Grasp, Elemental Shields, or of course Eye of the Storm.

The 45% reduction in mana from shocks and the 1 sec off shocks seems pretty sweet.

:huh: :whistling:
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5 points to get 1 second from a cooldown always seemed like a waste to me - especially since shocks aren't your staple form of damage (lightning bolt / chain lightning is). Even when you conisder the Flame Shock / Lava Burst combo, Lava Burst has an 8 sec cooldown, so a shorter cooldown on shocks is wasted there.

I hear what you're saying about EoTS with the new pushback mechanics - but with most of our DPS spells being 1.5 - 2 second spells already, having next to no pushback on them (0.3 secs max) seems pretty good to me. I would probably move points into Unrelenting Storm if it doesnt pan out that well live.

Cheers,

S.

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Originally Posted by Rowdysattva',index.php?page=Thread&postID=124825#p ost124825][color=#000000][font=Times][size=10]
It seemed to me that 70% chance to avoid spell pushback was better than 70% reduction in spell pushback... but maybe that is just emotional flavor.

So i am now wondering how vital Eye of the Storm is. I am considering more of a pvp perspective than a pve perspective. How bad is that one second delay? I guess the question is whether the .7 sec is worth it for 3 points?

I have considered a spec like [url='http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?shaman=053305152021025102531351000000000000000000 000000000050500310000000000000000000

this[/url] . Link is to /wotlkwiki website. There are two points left and i am not sure if they would go into Instant Ghost Wolf, Totemic Focus, Earth's Grasp, Elemental Shields, or of course Eye of the Storm.

The 45% reduction in mana from shocks and the 1 sec off shocks seems pretty sweet.

:huh: :whistling:
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It was actually 100% chance to avoid spell pushback BUT it only worked for 6 seconds after being critically hit. Personally, I think 70% reduction in pushback all the time is a much better talent. However, either way, I think it's more of a pvp talent and due to resilience is much more effective in the new build. As for 1 second off shocks, that seems more of a pvp talent to me as well where you are constantly trying to interrupt spells. In pve, spell interruption doesn't generally work on bosses and then on mobs, I don't really want to interrupt my lightning bolt/chain lightning cast and then wait on the GCD unless not interrupting that spell is going to get me killed. As I don't pvp, it may be the same in that scenario. In the end, just check Ellay's build, he obviously knows what he's doing.

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Originally Posted by Aradar',index.php?page=Thread&postID=124695#post12 4695][quote='SilverSlice',index.php?page=Thread&postID=1 24666#post124666][quote='Aradar',index.php?page=Thread&postID=124651 #post124651][quote='Schwarz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=12443 1#post124431][quote='mphuie',index.php?page=Thread&postID=123295 #post123295] . [/quote]

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I am looking at this for level 70

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You either really screwed up your link or were attempting to be funny. If the latter, please keep it to the WoW forums as these forums are generally communicative and helpful without much trolling or silly irrelevant post such as this and I think most of us would like to keep it that way.[/quote]

Sorry completely wrong link i most stop multitasking in real life, it where suppost to be the elemetnal buidl with improved flametoung points in enchantment i where trying to link and failed in a epic way
that build looks like a very nice build, perhaps not good for raiding, but for 5 x shammsy it looks rather good

Silver

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Originally Posted by 'Shadraak',index.php?page=Thread&postID=124700#pos t124700

i have a shaman/priest duo not sure which to have lead and which to have secondary but would appritiate any specs useful for either in either position

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I'd personally look into going Elemental Shaman + Disc/Holy Priest using holy spells as your dps rotation. This way you'd be able to heal when needed without having to worry about jumping out and back into shadow form (and the mana associated with doing that).

Either way, you should probably have your Shaman as your main since they can wear mail and take more hits. if you want to micro manage your priest and perhaps PUG an extra 3 people and you be the healer then I'd put your healer as main.

Personally, I would look into setting up both your shaman and priest to be able to switch mains depending on what you need to do.

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Originally Posted by SilverSlice',index.php?page=Thread&postID=125230#p ost125230][quote='Aradar',index.php?page=Thread&postID=124695 #post124695][quote='SilverSlice',index.php?page=Thread&postID=1 24666#post124666][quote='Aradar',index.php?page=Thread&postID=124651 #post124651][quote='Schwarz',index.php?page=Thread&postID=12443 1#post124431][quote='mphuie',index.php?page=Thread&postID=123295 #post123295] . [/quote]

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I am looking at this for level 70

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You either really screwed up your link or were attempting to be funny. If the latter, please keep it to the WoW forums as these forums are generally communicative and helpful without much trolling or silly irrelevant post such as this and I think most of us would like to keep it that way.[/quote]

Sorry completely wrong link i most stop multitasking in real life, it where suppost to be the elemetnal buidl with improved flametoung points in enchantment i where trying to link and failed in a epic way
that build looks like a very nice build, perhaps not good for raiding, but for 5 x shammsy it looks rather good

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No worries, I figured as much and tried to restrain from commenting on it but just wanted to make sure. :P

They need to stop changing these builds.

This is what i am thinking now for Pally

Anyone know if "Damaging Attacks" in the Vindication talent (Ret Tree) includes concecration? ie. will using concecrate reduce the stats of all mobs by 20%?

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Originally Posted by 'ChaoticMonk',index.php?page=Thread&postID=127658# post127658

Anyone know if "Damaging Attacks" in the Vindication talent (Ret Tree) includes concecration? ie. will using concecrate reduce the stats of all mobs by 20%?

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Hmmm that would be something that someone has to test, but i do not think it will. The reason is concecration is a spell not an attack, but a shield spike might be an attack.

I don't have a pally tank (yet) and was going to boomkin tank, now that the reduced threat is in with the increased range, it's not looking too good.

It seems like Blizzard is moving more towards single tree builds. I remember when it first came out and we had our 31 point talents, you'd still see some people with 20/20/11 or some such. It doesn't seem like there's any good talents that make hybridization a viable option anymore. Sure, there's a ton of good talents all throughout each tree for most classes, but they all stack and build on other talents from that tree with few exceptions.