Simple mage/priest team would defeat a 5xboomkin team eyes closed with one hand on the keyboard. no offense
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Simple mage/priest team would defeat a 5xboomkin team eyes closed with one hand on the keyboard. no offense
Sounds very closed-minded. By your multitude of posts and your obvious vast experience, I'm sure you're the authority on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hiarcs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=168145#post1 68145
Stop peeing in his cheerios.
LOL, aint peeing in anyones cheerios... Number of posts has nothing to do with being an authority figure. Being good at Multiboxing and PVP does and both of those abilities you have no idea about me. This is a general discussion board and I am entitled to my opinion no matter how much you disagree with it. The only closed minded person here was you for the very fact you were not open to the idea yeah "you" might be right.
Regardless, its a mute point now because i doubt most peoples M-B paths will cross in order to test out any and all of these theories anyways
8/29/08
12/7/08Quote:
Looks like you will be quite surprised then when you see my app
12/16/08Quote:
I'm going to be releasing it to the public very soon. Basically I'm doing a lot of stress testing as it is. This tool of mine is an ABSOLUTE GODSEND.
12/24/08Quote:
I've asked those initial people who are testing to keep it under wraps for the moment. It'll be out *very* soon
1/9/09Quote:
I'mma make a video of it soon, right after xmas
1/13/09Quote:
Just a quick update. My uber awesome program I've spoken about (dubbed MC) will be officially released this Monday, January 11th.
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Ugg tiny php bug I gotta work out on the website for it. Might be another 1-2 days
From Merriam-Webster
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Main Entry:
va·por·ware
Pronunciation:
\?v?-p?r-?wer\
Function:
noun
Date:
1984
Definition:
a computer-related product that has been widely advertised but has not and may never become available
Hey guys if you are having problems broadcasting mouseclicks just use HotkeyNet. Im currently playing 4 druids, and broadcasting mouseclicks for trees and hurricane is working smoothly. I just press a modifier key which automatically sends the mouseclicks to all the screens whenever I press it.
On a second note Im interested in how people are managing instance runs in WotLK with boomkins. Im having real problems with simple instances due to the fact that my druids just take too much damage. I had to spec one of the druids feral to be able to pull off decent runs without having to root everything all the time. I realize 4 does not equal 5 so I tried with another dps to tag along but it doesnt really make a huge impact. Obviously just running boomkins is a pvp oriented setup but it would be nice to be able to run some instances without having to respec all the time.
I do love my cheerios.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Nisch',index.php?page=Thread&postID=168193#post16 8193
I'm hoping to release it when I wake up from a nap today :)
To the vaporware comment - LOL. Touche :)
Personally I gave up on waiting for Evilseed's program, and set up Hotkeynet for it. It is amazing software without keyclone's numerous bugs and mouse broadcasting works perfectly.
Prove us wrong pls.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Evilseed',index.php?page=Thread&postID=168359#pos t168359
Yes, you are Mr Multiboxer.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hiarcs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=168227#post1 68227
I stand corrected. I stand corrected. :rolleyes:
It's not about me being closed-minded, but rather seeing that you felt threatened by the original post enough that you needed to come in here and make your post. Going through your old posts, you have none that get this much attention. Perhaps that makes you feel the need to discredit his team. I don't have any idea. I really don't care. The fact remains that your post proved no point other than, well I keep saying it..........but to pee in his cheerios.
It equates to you coming in here and saying "My dad can beat up your dad".
I'm sure you won't see this and you'll try to make your stand......go right ahead. You're entitled. You seem like the confrontational type. (obviously as previously discussed)
I guess my equivalent would be to point out that it is not a "mute" point......rather it is "moot". http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moot
Cheers
Back on topic. Evilseed : It is better to be delayed in release than to release a buggy product. This is one of the main reasons I don't release my software publicly (outside of work, of course)
Take your time. I'm always afraid of releasing anything and I'll end up working on that most of the time to please others with the software and it takes away from the general idea of the program in the first place..........to enjoy WoW.
reply to Nisch
Mute/Moot, no difference to me as long as people get the idea, which you obviously did or you wouldn’t have made it an issue and the basis of your weak comeback. Now I wasn’t even going to bother lowering myself to your level in order to address your insecurities but you left me so much ammunition I couldn’t resist. First off a little advice, try to think before you speak that way you won’t look like an idiot when you get burned. Secondly, if you want to get all technical on spelling errors or what you perceive to be a spec in my eye I really recommend you take the plank out of your own eye. If you will, please allow me to quote a few posts so you as well as anyone else who reads this can clearly see what an insecure hypocrite you are. This is quoted from Mr.Evilseed himself… right there on the first page right at the top… Pay close attention now cause you don’t want to miss this.
“Hey guys!”
“Trees: 15x trees is literally amazing. Every time I do it it brings tears to my eyes. I can automatically drop 15 trees and make them auto agro and they seriously WRECKSHOP. To give you an idea, when I was level 73 my trees alone could kill a 200,000 hp quest elite.”
“World PVP: 5x boomkins is #1 imo simply because they can stealth to a group of unsuspecting alliance and open up with a starfire/typhoon and can instantly kill a group of 10 easily. I'm not joking”
“Moonfire spam: Another thing that brings tears to my eyes is moonfire spamming. 1 5x moonfire volley will bring a guy down to 40% just like that. The DOT effect will finish”
Now in your last reply towards me you made the comment and I “quote”…
“It's not about me being closed-minded, but rather seeing that you felt threatened by the original post enough that you needed to come in here and make your post.”
Now I don’t know about you or anyone else who reads Mr.Evilseeds original post, but I don’t really find anything he had to say all that threatening, in fact when I read his post I feel quite the opposite. Feeling threatened would be the furthest thing from my mind and here is why. He starts off by saying “Hey guys!” Sounds friendly so far wouldn’t you agree? And if you read on he goes on to describe how his trees are literally amazing, so amazing in fact that it brings tears to his eyes. Now I don’t know about you but a man in tears does not sound all that threatening does he? The way I understood it is that he is having an awesome time exploring his boomkin side. (Yes bad pun I know)
Moving on we read something very important… He says “World PVP: 5x boomkins is #1 imo” whoa, back up… he said “IMO” which means In my opinion. Now again, I don’t know about you but never in my life have I felt threatened by someone’s opinion. Now put a man with an argument in front of me then aye I would probably feel threatened and provoked to defend or attack back, but never a man with an opinion as I can’t possibly feel threatened over someones opinion. And moving on to his last quote here… again we see how moonfire spamming brings more tears to his eyes, which again shouldn’t aggro a balanced person.
Now the next point I want to address is your hypocrisy, reason I call you this is because if you closely examine Mr.evilseeds original post you will see many spelling errors as well grammar errors. Yet, we do not see you flaming him for that now do we? In fact looking through your posts I can’t see you pointing out anyone elses spelling/grammar mistakes. Yet you jumped all over my Mute/moot mistake because in reality it’s all you really had to back you. Now don’t take this as a threat but rather as my opinion that you have built your life on sandy ground and clearly you are sinking fast my friend. Had you built your life on a rock you surely wouldn’t have these insecurities, and you would be able to help remove the spec in someone’s eye because you wouldn’t have a plank in your own. If this analogy finds you dumbfounded I recommend you look in the bible. This is my way to thank you for being so gracious of a hypocrite to assist me in providing me the dictionary reference link to moot. I suppose I could give you a few links but the Bible in general should be enough to go on if you were really that interested.
Now going through Mr.evilseeds original post we can see he clearly spelled hurricains’ wrong *hurricanes*
When he says “I’m not joking, I have killed groups of 10 alliance instantly…” I suppose one could point out instead of a comma after joking it should really be a semi-colon “;”. Other various capitalization mistakes can all be pointed out as well.
The point I am trying to make here is everyone makes spelling/grammar mistakes including you. Let’s take a look at a few you have done shall we?
I quote… The fact remains that your post proved no point other than, well I keep saying it..........but to pee in his cheerios.
Again instead of a comma you should have used a semi-colon.
Quote… “You seem like the confrontational type. (obviously as previously discussed)
Here you are missing the Capital in the word obviously.
Now pettiness aside, the real issue is your statement that I am peeing in his cheerios. Let’s take a look at what I said exactly shall we?
Quoting myself here I simply stated “Simple mage/priest team would defeat a 5xboomkin team eyes closed with one hand on the keyboard. No offense.” (Bold statement? yes)
Now I even said at the end here “no offense” which means no threatening intentions in my comment. It was merely a statement which conveys “My” opinion just the same as Mr.Evilseed was giving his opinion (perhaps I should have used “imo”) that way you could of saved yourself a lot of embarrassment. Now as I said, a man with an opinion does not threaten me and in all reality you sir are just an opinion to me. However, you seem to want to be that man with an argument in which case I say to you “Unguard”. (You might want to double check my spelling on that word as I might have spelled it wrong in which case you are free to correct me)
Last thing I want to point out regarding your “threatening” comment is if you look at Mr.seeds reply to my comment you can clearly see he didn’t take offense to what I said. He replies “I do love my cheerios”, so how can anyone draw the conclusion Mr.evilseed felt threatened when his reply was that of lightheartedness. He didn’t even address my comment which leads me to believe even he didn’t view my comment as pissing in his cheerios rather it was just some guys opinion and he is entitled to it.
Another thing you mentioned was that due to my multitude of posts (perhaps lack of avatar) and vast experience it must make me an authority figure. Now that has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever had to read. If you actually read through my post history, it’s really just full of support related questions when I first started multiboxing and was becoming familiar with keyclone. Now in that alone you can see I don’t piss in anyone’s cheerios as it’s not in my nature to pee on people or their things. I just think that deep down you know you are empty inside; perhaps you feel it requires someone with 114 posts and an avatar displaying 5 or more monitors to be considered an authority figure? Does having 114 posts VS 44 posts and displaying 5 monitors in your avatar over no avatar make you an authority figure? Let me answer that for you real quickly ok, having 100 or so more posts than me and displaying an extension to your Epeen doesn’t make you squat. All it makes you is an insecure man looking for an argument.
I could be the worst Multiboxer in the world with the fewest posts and crappiest computer; that still doesn’t support your authority figure assertions. Because in really it has nothing to do with number of posts, or computer specs, or even being a great multiboxer. It comes down to skill in PVP and It is my opinion that mage/priest team would give the best burst AOE dps as well as many counter sequences to the druids. So for the last time, my comment was my opinion which was posted to draw in possible theoretical discussion and not some insecure man with an argument.
I must admit I had to chuckle when I read your last reply because in it you state “I’m sure you won’t see this and you’ll try to make your stand… go right ahead. You’re entitled. You seem like the confrontational type”. You know what I read into that? I think deep down you know you are standing on sandy ground and all around you are thorn bushes, no matter the direction you want to take this you are going to get pricked, because my opinion is the pee in “your” cheerios.
Now I really don’t care to have any more dialogue with you as you have already proved to be time well wasted. But hopefully you will learn something from this and be a better person because of it.
PS: I love cheerios and would never pee on them :-)
Cheerio to you too.
No offense and this may seem a little crude, but couldn't all that effort you put forth be put to better use than a pissing contest on a forum? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by 'Hiarcs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=169148#post1 69148
imo, no offence; that's a specK in one's eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Hiarcs',index.php?page=Thread&postID=169148#post1 69148
Tasty...
"No offense and this may seem a little crude, but couldn't all that effort you put forth be put to better use than a pissing contest on a forum? "
Seems to me you want to join the contest? and I agree as u can see in my reply I said it was time well wasted, so your not saying anything I already didn't clairify.
I wrote that reply over a bowl of Cheerios and it was complete by my last mouthful. Are you wanting to refill my bowl? Or shall we address the issue of of my comment that Mages/priest team would be better than moonkin as that is all i ever wanted to take place here.
My thoughts on why include mages ability to nulify druids aoe starfall by having the arcane absorbtion with mana dampening as well CS and any arcane reisists. Starfall i believe is Arcane dmg which the mage has best defense to. With the priests each doing 4k heal per second i don't think the druids can maintain enough AOE dmg.
Now the only thing that makes me cringe is the nerf to Priests COH and the druids buff in the recent patch so factoring that in... could make it alot harder fight. But with shields and stacked renews followed by holy nova/ coh, sielence, screams. I just feel they have more tools to counter 5 boomkins.
Of course this is just a tip of the iceburg if you really want to disect this topic to death.
Sigh
such an interesting topic, pity it gets diverted in a wow-forum way.
(apologies if i used comas instead of semi-colons, we all know how important it is, /facepalm)
Evilseed, how are you doing with your druids? you still reckon they are #1?
Any impacting changes in the patch? Haven't really checked the druid situation.
Wuold love to see more movies.
You are arguing with the wrong person now. Tasty IS a 'priest+mages' team...
Actually Valkry, Tasty started dialogue with me which would indicate he is starting the argument if you want to call it that. But I don't see how you would say I am arguing with the wrong guy when in my reply to him i said "i agree". What is up with people on this forum unable to understand the english language? Perhaps it is the reason for all the wars in the world everyone thinks they are in an argument. Is this human nature or the game instilling these behaviors?Quote:
Originally Posted by 'valkry',index.php?page=Thread&postID=169591#post1 69591
Got an idea, why don't we all try to make the next 10 replies about the actual issue of mage/priest vs boomkin as my last reply tried to do?
lol Zub, i am fairly confident you were trying to be funny so i just want to say no you don't need a semi-colon there. But really semi-colon has nothing to do with anything, i just used it as an example to show everyone makes spelling and grammar mistakes and its childish to make it an issue on msg boards in this day and age.
Thankyou for the correction.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'magnu55',index.php?page=Thread&postID=169539#post 169539
Let's get this back on track ...
Could we hear anyone from beta testing or Evilseed comment on the program's viability for other classes other than Boomkin. eg. Warlock Rain of Fire, and if adjustments could be made to compensate for the clones being 2-5 yards behind the leader in terms of AoE positioning.
Congratz in advance on your future program mate, will be the biggest break thru since the FTL system for multiboxers.
Batteries
HotKeyNet lets you broadcast mouse clicks to slave windows with any desired offset to compensate this.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Batteries',index.php?page=Thread&postID=169651#po st169651
And it IS released, and it IS working.
ya but HKN isnt user friendly (i.e. it isnt a GUI interface).
Octopus broadcasts mouse clicks too but it only broadcasts one mouse cursor per client. This wouldn't be a problem if I only ran one WoW instance per physical computer; but alas I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'weeep',index.php?page=Thread&postID=169678#post16 9678
Question: Does HKN broadcast a visible cursor to all WoW windows running on one computer?
While it does only send one cursor per machine, i can send clicks without the cursor being sent, make sure to use focus follows mouse to make this more smooth. I regularly send clicks to 5 windows on the same machine at once using octopus.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'magnu55',index.php?page=Thread&postID=170022#post 170022
Mamut, my problem is clicking on NPCs to open the gossip pane. If I can see the cursors, I can simply hold down my cursor+click broadcast key (I set it to hold and not toggle) and click a few times near the NPC to get all 5 toons to open the gossip pane - all done in the current window. Since I can't see the cursors, I have to manually go to all 5 windows to click the NPC. Do you have any tips on how u accomplish this? In any case, thanks for the earlier reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Mamut',index.php?page=Thread&postID=170041#post17 0041
I use that setview macro to reset all my guys to the predetermined camera angle, then in the case of my DK/shammy squad i run my 4 shamans to beside the npc, then back up my DK to stand ontop of them and start broadcasting clicks. I rarely miss NPC's and never have a problem with the quest log buttons like "continue" and "accept" or selecting flight paths. For my druids i just go into travel form or cat form and reset camera view then run right on top of the npc spot, never miss if the npc is centered on all 5 screens.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'magnu55',index.php?page=Thread&postID=170087#post 170087
I also can see where its clicking on the clients without the cursor broadcasting, makes a small spot like the end of a cursor show up for a split second so i can correct if its a hard to see npc like the flight master in dalaran. (always have people standing around that guy).
Not sure if any of that will help but its what i do. last thing is you have to make sure all of your wows are same, i checked the auto gx resolution in profiles section and have not a problem with the aspect ratios or relative positioning of any of my clones.
Mamut:
Great post! Lotsa info there. I'll check out your tips and see if they help me out. Thanks for sharing. I'm really glad to see fellow Octopus users. There are lots of posts about keyclone but frankly (and this is perhaps I'm not as demanding a multiboxer) I don't see any need to switch. Cheers.
I'm sorry dude, but I need to call your bluff at this point. You haven't done more than 2 instances with your entire druid team. You have not completed any heroics with your setup (although, you have completed most heroics with ONE of characters). Quit spreading lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Evilseed',index.php?page=Thread&postID=155822#pos t155822
How do I know?
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-a...ck&n=Evilseedc
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-a...ck&n=Evilseedb
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-a...ck&n=Evilseeda
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-a...ck&n=Evilseede
It's hard to doctor your armory profile (read: I checked out your Character Achievement dates). It looks like you run 2 of your druids on most encounters. Not to mention, your arena ratings aren't anything to be bragging about.
Well we established (see other threads) Evilseed is a mythomaniac at best and possibly a scammer (his requests for people to signup for "beta" are somewhat suspicious given nothing ever materialize...) - Frankly I'm surprised he actually has 5x80 druids (even if nowhere as "powerful" as claimed)
Owned. The lot of you tbh.
Wow, i was actually considering buying this mouseclone but now that you say it is actually your tool i think i pass after viewing 10 pages of what to me look like pure attention seeking bullshit(Sorry but it does)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Evilseed',index.php?page=Thread&postID=170925#pos t170925
So if i create an account on dual-boxing with the name "Thundgot" i can refer to my posts on the eu forums as evidence that i actually AM Thundgot? Sounds reasonable!Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Evilseed',index.php?page=Thread&postID=170925#pos t170925
I truly hope that people don't actually belive this guy and his so called "tool" that has more secrets than the JFK murder itself.
Wow I'm being accused of stealing my own content. It must be some real good software, eh? I think I should be flattered! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Crackjack',index.php?page=Thread&postID=171721#po st171721
I have a growing list of customers who are pleased with the product. Rather than join in with the man-who-had-his-coolaid-altered, why not do some research on facts and substantiate your opinion? It is actually a very slick piece of software.
[quote='Evilseed',index.php?page=Thread&postID=1717 32#post171732][quote='Crackjack',index.php?page=Thread&postID=171 721#post171721]
So if i create an account on dual-boxing with the name "Thundgot" i can refer to my posts on the eu forums as evidence that i actually AM Thundgot? Sounds reasonable!
[/quote]Wow I'm being accused of stealing my own content. It must be some real good software, eh? I think I should be flattered! :)
I have a growing list of customers who are pleased with the product. Rather than join in with the man-who-had-his-coolaid-altered, why not do some research on facts and substantiate your opinion? It is actually a very slick piece of software.[/quote]
I did some research on dual-boxing forums actually and look what i found...
[b][Other][/b] [url='http://www.dual-boxing.com/forums/index.php?page=Thread&postID=171022&l=1']MouseCloner a very powerfull product if legal.[/url] = Locked
[Other] New software to click mouse (AOE casters rejoice!) = Locked
Notice how your name is mentioned in one of them also? (I do Love How On the Mouseclone site One of the testimonials is from Evilseed :cursing: ) - Gotta love sarcasm eh?
And i guess Rins post speaks for itself?
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Originally Posted by 'Rin',index.php?page=Thread&postID=170270#post1702 70
Now maybe i'm wrong and you are a totally honest person and everything but i very much doubt that is the case...
Viewing your posts makes me think of a carseller who desperately tries to sell this "awesome godmode imba etc. etc." car...
enjoyable reads everytime
EDIT: For those who are still curious on if this is in the gray, I have begun building a webpage documenting Blizzard's response to mouse cloning in general per the methods that my application uses.
http://mousecloner.com/blizresponse.php
To the Fursphere moderator: You've asked me directly to provide proof of a Blizzard employee which is why I have done this. I have dedicated a page to this and will constantly be updating it as much as I can with things ranging from GM screenshots to any email or official forum postings as they become available.
Fursphere said:
Keep in mind that a wide variety of claims have been made, and each has been addressed and clarified, however a lot of the clarifications I have made to a lot of wild claims has been moderated out. If anybody else has any questions, please feel free to ask me or email me appsup@mousecloner.com .Quote:
You keep saying this.... I'd like to see a Blizzard employee confirmation before I believe it.
First off, this is pure speculation on my part...
1) Move mouse to a predetermined x,y position
2) Click mouse
Sure seems like 2 actions
you are doing both with 1 command.
it seems like this isn't mouse cloning (where the mouse movement is copied), it's using a key to launch an automated mouse movement and click task.
Maybe ask the GM something like this exactly:
"Can I have use a program, that when I press a key it makes the mouse move to certain position on the screen and then clicks the mouse button. "
Hey there,Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Kicksome',index.php?page=Thread&postID=171858#pos t171858
Actually it is 1 action because you cannot send a click to a WoW window without moving the mouse there :) But I see where you are going with this, that the issue of semantics and clarity are of utmost importance to you. No harm in this IMO. I've yet another conversations with a GM which eventually will be on the website. I imagine people can raise flags on semantics all the time, however, hopefully the sheer number of uniquely worded questions and GM confirmations will eventually wear down even the most rigid skeptic.
Keep in mind I'm doing my best, I really am. I'd love to say to everybody that I have a solid gold diamond encrusted authentic plaque by Blizzard allowing me free reign, but realistically I am only able to do my best with what I have available. I have a lust for multiboxing, a couple contacts at Blizzard, a good development team, and appreciative users helping me out. My new GM conversations, or one that another person makes who multiboxers, will hopefully have better/different sementics to cover all angles here :)
So that I understand the difference here...
This differs from Hotkeynet in that hotkeynet mouses your cursor on other windows relative to your mouse position in your main windows and then clicks based on where your main pointer is.
But this software - it just applies a mouse click, at a specific x,y (same everytime) in each window, when you press a key. So it isn't duplicating one windows cursor into other windows, it is simply telling other windows a mouse click occurred and it was at x,y without any actual mouse movement being taken into consideration.
I'm sure I'll be flamed as a noob but...
Seems like Blizzard has iterated (and re-iterated) the position that as long as your are at your machine and a brain cell in your brain fired and YOU do something that caused AN action in the game then it's ok.
The line here seems to be that a keystroke is causing a mouse movement AND a mouse click, and that seems to allow us to skip a step in our actions.
All the petitions I see screenshots of don't seem to impart the nature of the utility (one keypress causes the same x,y mouse click on clients everytime it is pressed, regardless of where our mouse cursor actually is) so that we don't feel comfortable that blizzard is REALLY aware of what this utility is doing.
Seems awesome and I hope it gets cleared. But I think the tactic to clearing it is making it criticly clear to blizzard what exactly the utility is doing.
Moving the mouse to activate the focus of the window, and moving it to a specific pre-determined coordinate on the screen, then clicking it with a single keypress are two totally different things IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by 'Evilseed',index.php?page=Thread&postID=171870#pos t171870
I mean, targeting the ground where you want to AOE is supposed to take some degree of TIME and skill, and this is automating the Aiming and spell execution process if nothing else.
At least it seems that way to me, hopefully I'm wrong.
This thread
is interesting as it pertains to the questions here.