Patch 4.3 Mega Thread - Keep it all here

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Originally Posted by zenga

The removal of the cd for chain lightning is gonna be fun for ele shaman boxers in bg's (and even arena i guess). Not to mention that flametongue weapon is redesigned into a flat 5% magic dmg done buff rather than spellpower. Seeing how crap ele scales that should be a buff. And earthquake is getting 75% buff as well.

So in pvp, boxing ele's might see actually quite a buff.

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so far the flametongue change is a dps nerf as long as you dont have ~16k spell power

75% buff to earthquake so ~1600 ticks then vs zero resilience (yeha)

chainlight spam is going to be fun

however considering all changes I wont expect things going to be better in arenas @4.3

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Originally Posted by Tonuss

I wasn't sure if you were saying that the screenshot was fake.

In any event, your guess was correct. From MMO-C today:

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Fuck these sound awesome. I have never wanted an item in WoW so much as this.

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Originally Posted by Kruschpakx4

so far the flametongue change is a dps nerf as long as you dont have ~16k spell power

75% buff to earthquake so ~1600 ticks then vs zero resilience (yeha)

chainlight spam is going to be fun

however considering all changes I wont expect things going to be better in arenas @4.3

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I welcome the buff to EQ, aswell as CL without CD. Just imagine the cleave dmg you can deal with the low casting time on CL, spamming melees with EQ up :)

I dunno CL just doesn't hit very hard on targets with resilience. I bet a single healer could keep a 4 melee team alive long enough to kill your shaman

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Originally Posted by Kruschpakx4

so far the flametongue change is a dps nerf as long as you dont have ~16k spell power

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Where do you get that number from? Because it is not correct. Flametongue currently provides 1k extra spellpower that doesn't scale, it's a flat number. Ele shaman spells don't scale too well with spellpower either. Getting 1% extra spellpower doesn't mean your damage will increase with 1%. It depends from spell to spell. Spell power coefficients are unique for each spell, and they basically contain the factor that your base spell damage will gain from extra spell power; for lightning bolt it's for example 91% and for chain lightning 77%, meaning that the lightning bolt damage profits more from extra spellpower than chain lightning does.

The change to flametongue makes it scale with everything (bar fire elemental & searing who are afaik considered physical attacks), since it's a flat 7% damage output buff (2% extra from talents). In my raid gear (mix between bis heroic and bis 378 gear) I would already profit from the change as far as damage from spells goes.

The big problem in pve is that a huge chunk of the dps for an elemental shaman comes from the fire elemental. The 2 piece set bonus for T12 raid gear is basically eternal fire elemental. The way the fire elemental works is that it takes a snapshot of your spellpower when it's activated, and it retains that value for it's entire uptime (even if you lose those buffs 3 seconds after it being cast). So flametongue weapon does have quite an effect on the fire elemental dps, just like trinket procs, tinkers, weapon procs & pots. With the 2p gone and no change in the patch notes gone for the fire elemental, it's gonna take indeed a higher number of spell power to maintain the same dps, based on the 2p & 4p T13 set. But that's basically only affecting pve, since fire elemental & raid gear are a non issue in arena.

So for pvp it's nowhere near the number you outline, though there is obviously a conversion point.

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Originally Posted by Multibocks

I dunno CL just doesn't hit very hard on targets with resilience. I bet a single healer could keep a 4 melee team alive long enough to kill your shaman

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I recently respecced into EQ, and seen alot more cleave dmg from my side. Ive seen warriors being on 70 % by simply keeping EQ up, while focusing another target. I personaly cant wait for the spammable CL on grouped up melee comps.

Keep EQ up, purge your targets, stress the enemy by using CL on melees, 4 x thunderstorm and earthbind, hex and use instants = profit :D

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Originally Posted by zenga

Where do you get that number from? Because it is not correct. Flametongue currently provides 1k extra spellpower that doesn't scale, it's a flat number. Ele shaman spells don't scale too well with spellpower either. Getting 1% extra spellpower doesn't mean your damage will increase with 1%. It depends from spell to spell. Spell power coefficients are unique for each spell, and they basically contain the factor that your base spell damage will gain from extra spell power; for lightning bolt it's for example 91% and for chain lightning 77%, meaning that the lightning bolt damage profits more from extra spellpower than chain lightning does.

The change to flametongue makes it scale with everything (bar fire elemental & searing who are afaik considered physical attacks), since it's a flat 7% damage output buff (2% extra from talents). In my raid gear (mix between bis heroic and bis 378 gear) I would already profit from the change as far as damage from spells goes.

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however I'm doing more damage with that 1k spellpower than with the new flametongue on ptr

theres a few of us on the US PVP ptr :D you sould come join us :D

From the PTR notes:

North American realms (excluding Brazilian, Latin American, and Oceanic realms) no longer permit letters with accents in character or guild names. Existing character and guild names with special characters will be unaffected by this change.

lol...for those of you who like naming everyone the same, get 'em named soon.

Well that sucks!


Elemental 2 piece bonus was updated to 2000 mastery for 15 secs. I know what all PvP shaman will be wearing ;)