Dinged 80 yesterday, accounts closed today

yep, there is so much good gear just lying around with factions that you will get just by doing dailies, easy quests and in the AH, gold is king in wotlk as you can get decent epics/blues on the ah for not much at all, if you were on caelstrasz I could give you some of the boe tank gear I've got lying around in the gb lol. I run with 1xpally and 4xshammy and only stepped foot in a raid once, the heroics I know I can do without wiping but have noticed that it probably would be better to have a dedicated healer, I have no problems with 4xLHW but am also thinking of speccing one resto to switch too on the tougher fights. My gear isn't great - see link - but it's enough to see me through grundrak, DTK, UK and some of the first bosses in other instances. Heroics are more about learning the encounters than gear so much, as long as you have ok gear, have resonable defense, hit and know the encounters you should be fine on these lesser heroics. Look at the hit my pally - sweet fa and she does ok with threat.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...trasz&n=Aztrid

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Originally Posted by 'Ogloo',index.php?page=Thread&postID=211479#post21 1479

Thats exactly what i did, but if ur a 5 boxer with a paladin , im not sure why you would do this, but with just 4 shamans I had to quest which is a pain.. im waiting for 3.2 and doing solid BG leveling

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Maybe, if the rate was enough to make that viable on a reasonable timescale.

But I was big into old-school AV and pre-BG world PVP. New battlegrounds, arena, never did it for me. And they keep gravitating back to focusing on raids, and I couldn't care less about raids.

Diablo?

Ive said it a few times before but the best thing I did when I hit 80 was to level JC on my tank and get the crafted trinkets and stack a bunch of stamina gems in them, also the dragons eye gems are nice. This bumped my health from 21k to 25k, with 25k being in my opinion the ideal number to start tanking heroics. I managed to get first boss in Cot down with 21k health with some hard work, but when I went back with 25k health I easily 1 shot the rest of the instance then cleared Gundrak, and Uk only wiping a couple of times to the elemental boss in Gundrak.

Here is my tank for reference http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...+Mill&n=Hoebag

Dont copy my tanking spec though because I messed it up :)

I entered heroic instances with 18k HP on my tank and worse gear than yours.

What I had cristal clear at the beginning was that one of my shamans had to be a dedicated healer and the dps ones needed enough DPS to down trash packs in 2 minutes and bosses in no more than 4 minutes because that was the time my healer ran oom while nonstop spamming lhw on the tank.

During the first week I just made myself a list of bosses to grind list. I farmed ONLY these bosses because they were easy and I could use their badges to buy better gear. Also these bosses were very easy and fast to reach in most of the cases.

1 ) Mamooth boss in Gundrak --> just interrupt hist transformation with earth shock
2 ) Snake boss in Gundrak --> Place your shamans on the stairs at the "arena" looking thing where the boss is. Tank the boss in the middle of the arena. Drop 3 x healing + 1 mana totems and 4 Fire elemental totems. remember to pop heroism. The fire elementals and the paladin consecration will keep the snakes away from your DPS and healer and will most probably give you the boss specific achievement the first time you do this boss in this way.
3 ) Prince Keleseth in UK --> Shadow resist aura. Run to him, drop healing totems and 4x magma totems. Then DPS the boss and ignore the ads.
4 ) Contructor and controller in UK --> Put the shamans on follow and run to the boss. Drop 4 x grounding totem and magma totems. Burn the caster first and then the melee. Keep grounding totems and magma totems as much as you can. Having the shamans near you will prevent the melee guy from charging at your healer.
5 ) Orc commander in Nexxus --> Just kill him. He is an easy miniboss and drops a badge
6 ) Culling of stratholme --> all the bosses are easy. Just ignore the timers and take your time. The first time I downed that instance it took me lots of time, but gor very good gear. In the zombies place just keep your magma totems up to prevent zombies disrupting your casting.


You will find that you can down some other bosses too, but these are a sure kill with your current tank and gear. In a couple of days you will have enough badges to buy yourself some better gear and down entire instances.

Thanks guys. Got a lot of usefull feedback out of it. Today I allready started missing boxing (talking about addiction). I was just in a terrible mood yesterday and all the whipes din`t help much there.

I`m going to login now and get a dual spec on one shaman to get a dedicated healer up. Then I get some new tries in, TBH it can only go better at this point.

@ DIWA

Thanks for the gear list. Found some possible improvements.

Besides that I might run some pvp to get some easy epics as well.

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I`m going to login now and get a dual spec on one shaman to get a dedicated healer up

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Just to add my voice to the chorus telling you that this really will make a world of difference.

Having everyone stop DPS to heal just delays the inevitable wipe :)

Good luck finding the fun again - there really is some to be had!

Get a +22 def enchant on that shield immediately. That's the 540 def sorted right there.

Sort out the rest of your enchants. Buy a blue belt off the AH that has real stats on it (or run Draktharon for it...decent. Runs at around 200G on my server, but it is definitely worth the coin.

Set up macro's for the 4 x chain heal spam (2 on tank, 2 on group) or a HW or LHW 4x spam on the tank. It is manageable. Plan for your heals. Know what
the timing is like for your tank getting low. Then allow for it.

With badges, and some rep rewards you can get your tank over 30k hp without too much drama. Pay attention to your cooldowns for bosses and such and be prepared to suck
for a while. You will get there.

I was in your situation a couple of months back mate....its all good now.

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Originally Posted by 'Dominian',index.php?page=Thread&postID=211424#pos t211424

4 ele shamans is alot easier then running with a healer IF your tank is well geared.

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Please define "well geared".

I'm in a mix of 10/25 gear (Naxx, OS, even a piece of Ulduar) and I still need to heal in heroics. So if your tank's gear is above mine - which would be end game level - then I'm not sure your definition of "well geared" is realistic.

My tank: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...eden&n=Nisryus

In normal mode 5 mans - ya, healing is rare. In Heroics? They still pound on me plenty hard.

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I agree with Fur, my tank: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...doran&n=baylen
My tank is in 4/5 Conqueror's T8.5 and 1/5 Valorous T7.5. I run 41% Dodge, 29k armor and 35k HP unbuffed. I heal often. A dedicated healer makes this much easier so that I'm not sacrificing DPS to heal.

A little update:

I spend a hour 3 getting some gear changes, macro and keybinds set.

Went into DTK, had 2 very bad whipes due blackholes on my shamans while beeing amazed how much earthshield helps.

After a while I got the hang of the healing. DPS even improved because they dont have to heal anymore.

Whiped the first try on trollgore (due healing trouble, needed to learn how and what) second try he went down smooth. Bloodlust used but no fire elementals.

Thanks for the tips and motivation to try once more. I know its not the hardest boss but it went sooooo smooth really. No real bad situations with HP I could not handle.

Btw my shamans went from 1k dps(due healing) to 1.8k with their shitty blue gear. I think thank my dps macro lacks since they idle quit a bit. Maybe haste rating makes them to fast. Here is the macro:

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/castsequence [nomod] reset=combat Lightning Bolt(Rank 14),Flame Shock(Rank 9),Lava Burst(Rank 2),Chain Lightning(Rank 8),Lightning Bolt(Rank 14),Lightning Bolt(Rank 14),Chain Lightning(Rank 8),Lightning Bolt(Rank 14),Lava Burst(Rank 2)

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I start with LB because FS gave them to much agro at the start

the gear on your tank seems fine.
the problem is probably style.

you need to keep holy shield up at much as possible.
for example my tank uses
/castrandom holy shield,
/castrandom x,y,z

for just starting out with heroics you need to work the crowd control and making a resto healer is probably a must at the start.
shaman should hex, mages should sheep, etc until your team is geared out enough to do everything without it.
as for healing, a resto shaman places an earth shield on your tank and it heals the tank for a huge amount.
my healer does nothing but heals and when spec'ed for heals he's more mana efficient and he can usually heal the whole team leaving my DPS to have more time doing DPS.
some people think you are loosing DPS when you do this and that may be true but when everyone is casting heals you loose DPS anyway.

as for CoT, I pull everything to a room and do all fights in that room (the first 10 waves) . the tank can usually ignore the trash running around as long as he keeps moving. A-S the groups and run back to the room.
use magma totems, they give huge DPS in this room. use as much AoE dmg that your team has.