Ultimate Showdown

Only theorycrafting, but if I were boxing mages up against shammies, I'd go for either of these strategies.

1. Pop mirror image, water eles then invis and move to the centre of shammie grp - then go nuts with AoE - would work best with Belf mages since they could pop arcane torrent to prevent Shammies from using TS.
2. Pop mirror image, water eles, have an instant cast spell like Ice Lance on round robin to take care of groundings, use Iceblock to eat LvB and clear FS dots, cold snap immediately making Ice Block availble again.

Cheers,
S.

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Originally Posted by 'Stealthy',index.php?page=Thread&postID=186563#pos t186563

Only theorycrafting, but if I were boxing mages up against shammies, I'd go for either of these strategies.

1. Pop mirror image, water eles then invis and move to the centre of shammie grp - then go nuts with AoE - would work best with Belf mages since they could pop arcane torrent to prevent Shammies from using TS.
2. Pop mirror image, water eles, have an instant cast spell like Ice Lance on round robin to take care of groundings, use Iceblock to eat LvB and clear FS dots, cold snap immediately making Ice Block availble again.

Cheers,
S.

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I've seen a few mage vs shaman battles before.

The mages won around 90% of the matches though this WAS at the very end of Pre BC just before WotlK so this have changed dramatically. The main advantage the mages had at the time was aoe. I'd still bet my money on mages these days but that would be based purely on theory rather than on actual experience. Invis, Mirror image trinket/ap(if you have it) blastwave /ae etc.

Who knows.

Sorry to burst in here but a good PvP multiboxing mage would do none of the things in any of the posts here. To cast a fireball against a multiboxing team of shamans would be a complete waste of time on the mages part. A good pvp mage would not do that. He would also not invis to get into the middle or blink into the middle of the shamans. The shamans should all have Lightning Shield up which would cause damage against the AE'ing mages.

The thing the good PvP mage would do against a multiboxing team of shamans would be to cast Blizzard on them as far away as possible. If the mages were frost spec, the shamans would have little to no chance especially if the mages were facing the opposite side of the shamans. In my PvP experience against mages that cast Blizzard, the multiboxing shaman has very little to defend especially if there are group of targeted AoE classes casting from a distance. Targetted AoE is the best offense against any multiboxer because the multiboxer usually has all of their characters together. Unless I'm missing or forgetting something, the shaman doesn't have a targetted AoE spell, but the mage class does and is his/her best offensive spell.

Now, all things being equal, if both of the multiboxers knew of each other, met each other on some battlefield without any other players around and they spotted each other, it would be more fair than if one of them spotted the other and got the jump. But alas, in most battles that is not the case. One side usually sees the other first and usually it's from the side or from behind. And usually there are many other players around fighting the battle so it's really a numbers game and a location game. In other words, where the numbers are on the battlefield usually indicate the outcome of the battle and who wins in which locations. The element of surprise also plays a big part.

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Originally Posted by 'Prepared',index.php?page=Thread&postID=186567#pos t186567

Sorry to burst in here but a good PvP multiboxing mage would do none of the things in any of the posts here. To cast a fireball against a multiboxing team of shamans would be a complete waste of time on the mages part. A good pvp mage would not do that. He would also not invis to get into the middle or blink into the middle of the shamans. The shamans should all have Lightning Shield up which would cause damage against the AE'ing mages.

The thing the good PvP mage would do against a multiboxing team of shamans would be to cast Blizzard on them as far away as possible. If the mages were frost spec, the shamans would have little to no chance especially if the mages were facing the opposite side of the shamans. In my PvP experience against mages that cast Blizzard, the multiboxing shaman has very little to defend especially if there are group of targeted AoE classes casting from a distance. Targetted AoE is the best offense against any multiboxer because the multiboxer usually has all of their characters together. Unless I'm missing or forgetting something, the shaman doesn't have a targetted AoE spell, but the mage class does and is his/her best offensive spell.

Now, all things being equal, if both of the multiboxers knew of each other, met each other on some battlefield without any other players around and they spotted each other, it would be more fair than if one of them spotted the other and got the jump. But alas, in most battles that is not the case. One side usually sees the other first and usually it's from the side or from behind. And usually there are many other players around fighting the battle so it's really a numbers game and a location game. In other words, where the numbers are on the battlefield usually indicate the outcome of the battle and who wins in which locations. The element of surprise also plays a big part.

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Even after winning against all three shaman multiboxers I guess I'm still considered a bad mage then.

Well that makes sense, no matter how hard the Shamans can hit the mages at 36 yards, 5 Blizzards will hit the Shamans way way harder.

Note that if you reopened the <name removed> thread maybe the insanity could be contained there...

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Originally Posted by 'Fursphere',index.php?page=Thread&postID=186598#po st186598

If somebody would just take a stand and ban the jerk, all these problems would go away.

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What, for example somebody with moderator status?

It's not fair to ban <Name Removed> because he hasn't done anything wrong. Yes, some of the outlandish remarks he makes about things he doesn't have a clue about grates on your nerves, but in reality what's the harm in that? Every time he spouts off something wrong, there is always someone willing to counter his argument, and thoroughly I might add. For every "Head-up-my-ass" statement of his is met by a minimum to two "yer full of shit"s.

I may not like <Name Removed> and the circus that comes with him, but I'd probably be one of the first people to yell if he was banned.

Annoying isn't bannable. Misinformation shouldn't be bannable if he isn't peddling anything. Eccentric isn't bannable. Of course, our moderators can ban for anything, but no matter how gawddamn annoying <Name Removed> is, he hasn't really done anything which he should be banned for.

Back in TBC (When I still did Arena :P ) I fought a 5x mage set up once, me playing 4x shaman + individual healer

Out of ALL the arena I ever did. That was by far the most hectic fight ever. I actually won. Grounding totems and waiting them out, nuking one down before they had a chance to start. But even then it was just wicked. The actual heat of the fight literally only lasted like 4-5 seconds, and like 7 people were dead in that time. (Two of me, four of them. It then lasted for a while longer as their last mage started to kite. :P )

I think, mages vs shaman boxer. It's all down to who gets off the start. Refreshing grounding totems won't matter. As the fight will be decided before groundings can be refreshed. If the mage boxer waits until the moment the shaman boxers drops groundings, then proceeds to blink in, get rid of totems. It would seriously be a close call. Imo. But a second off, and the tide would be turned. :D

Most fun fight I ever did. :P

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Originally Posted by 'Sam DeathWalker',index.php?page=Thread&postID=186084#p ost186084

Well whatever, I think more then conclusory allegation would promote yur position, but Ill defer and read how it goes and get back to leveling.

I find it hard to belive that a 5 yard range advantage is useless but whatever.

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Mages + 5yards = useless:

very easy to understand because

a)
when I'm at max range and I see you start casting a 3,5 sec. spell I just move 2 steps backward.
You cannot move while casting, and get the "out of range" message when your cast is ready so you need to move forward to
get me in range while I ran in your direction so I'm in range for an instant cast and run backward out of range again before
you're ready with your 3,5 sec. cast.

b)
bloodelves got an AOE Silence effect. I doesn't take 3,5 seconds to move 40 yards forwards to be close enough to silence all of your chars.

c)
I bet you can not turn your chars. If I ride pass your toons your heading in the wrong direction
so the cast failes while I start attacking your toons.


so plz stop with this theory crap and start playing this game!